But I will point out something from your list that you may have overlooked…

Check out how much the Phillies owner has and tell me why does he not have any issues paying out to players?

IF I RECALL CORRECTLY, I ONCE ATTEMPTED TO ASCERTAIN THE ACTUAL WEALTH BEHIND OUR BELOVED FRANCHISE & AMAZINGLY DISCOVERED OUR OWNERSHIP IS ONE WITH VERY SHALLOW POCKETS BY MLB OWNERSHIP STANDARDS I STRONGLY RECOMMEND U PERUSE THE INFORMATION U GLEAM FROM FOLLOWING THE PERTINENT THREADS LEADING FROM: http://blog.prorumors.com/?s=how+nl+east+owners+made+their+money
THERE’S LIKELY OTHER RESOURCES; HOWEVER, THIS WILL PROVIDE A START. DO U REALLY COMPREHEND HOW MUCH A BILLION DOLLARS ACTUALLY IS? IS IT COMPREHENDABLE THAT ANYONE CLOSE TO THAT FIGURE WOULD’VE NEEDED TO FINANCE THE PURCHASE IN ’02?
CONSIDER STERLING ENTERPRISES IS A RATHER SMALL BIT PLAYER IN THEIR OWN, REAL ESTATE, INDUSTYRY JUST CONSIDERING NYC PLAYERS. BTW, ONE OF THE MAJOR ISSUES FOR OUR NYM HAS BEEN, IMO, THEY HAVE ALWAYS BEEN RATHER UNDERFUNDED ESP FOR A NY BUSINESS U NEEDN’T BE SO CONCERNED ABOUT SEPARATION OF BUSINESSES AS NONE THAT FALL UNDER THE STERLING PARTNERSHIP BANNER IS CAPABLE OF EXCEEDING THE BOAT BUILDERS IN CLEVELAND. FRED & SAUL ARE “SMALL POTATOES” IN THE NYC REALTY INDUSTRY FOR INSTANCE REST ASSURED “THE DONALD” CARRIES MORE POCKET CHANGE THAN THEIR(FRED,SAUL aka NEBBISH & NEBBISH) PERSONAL NET WORTH. NEBBISHES COULD RETIRE BY SEARCHING TRUMP’S COUCH(LOL)

They lost 50 Mil in 2010 and 70 Mil in 2011

120 Mil in losses means they should still have 180 Mil left!

It really doesn’t matter what they did with the money because do you really think that 300 Mil is all they have?

The guy has Billions!

We need to STOP trying to mix the Wilpon Financials with the Mets!
They are two seperate entities!

the Financial issue with the METs is losing money due to attendance not covering the bills!

Is letting Reyes go going to make that better or worse?

Like I keep telling the YOUTH BRIGADE…
Baseball is not a STATISTICAL business as much as they would like it to be.
It is an ENTERTAINMENT business that lives or dies based on it’s ability to draw!
That makes it a STAR DRIVEN business!
Have stars get ticket sales to see them play!
Not have stars no one goes to see it! Less money have to cut even MORE to avoid losing money and when you have cut EVERY salary you could possibly cut and no one shows up WHAT DO YOU DO?

NOTHING because you don’t have the money to get the stars who sell the tickets and you have no way to climb out of the hole you dug for yourself!

Sell the team and hope they don’t get moved because someone feels they can make MORE money in a city that does not have the Yankees and Bye Bye Mets!

If Metallica replaced everyone in the group with cheaper kids to save money would they continue to make the money off of concerts they do now?

No despite the music people go to see the STARS of that band playing the music and the music in incidental!

No matter what the Wilpon finances may be the bottomline is the METS money issues are all about attendance which will only go down if they don’t spend on bringing and keeping stars and if you want proof of that look at the attendance figures at Buffalo with the Bisons!

Thats the attendance your going to get when you have run out of Salaries to cut!

And that leaves you with a 30 Million dollar budget to try and get people to show up with!
If Sandy REALLY wants to fix the budget he should focus on fixing the cause of the budget woes!
And the cause isn’t what he is spending or going to spend on Reyes it is the 36 Mil he has tied up in Santana and Bay and the lack of any other stars who might give fans some cause to go and see the team a few more games a year because they have SOME HOPE of seeing a winner and if not that at least a chance of seeing a great baseball player ply his trade for the hometeam!

METSIE, HERE’S WHAT WE’VE BEEN TOLD, WITH A $140M PAYROLL THEY ARE LOSING $70M THAT IS UNSUSTAINABLE AS THE NYM DO NOT HAVE NEAR THE INCIDENTAL PROFIT SOURCES THAT EXIST IN THE BRONX. BTW, ONE VERY SOLID REASON FOR BRINGING IN ‘NEW BLOOD MINORITY OWBERSHIP IS TO EXPAND OWNERSHUIP’S PERSIONAL REVENUE BASE & DIVERSIFY BACKGROUND EXPERIENCES IF U LOOK @ THE PARTNERS THAT DID EXIST BEFORE THE RECENT ACTIONS ALL 9 PARTNERS RELY UPON STERLING EQUITIES FOR THEIR PERSONAL INCOME:
NYM PARTNERS ARE LISTED AS:
Fred Wilpon
Saul Katz
Jeff Wilpon
Richard Wilpon
Michael Katz
David Katz
Tom Osterman
Arthur Friedman
Marvin Tepper

STERLING EQUITIES OFFICIAL WEBSITE http://www.sterlingequities.com/about/leadership.php
LISTS THEIR PARTNERS/Sr. MNGT as:

Fred Wilpon
Saul B. Katz
Michael Katz
Richard A. Wilpon
David M. Katz
Thomas Osterman
Jeffrey S. Wilpon
Arthur Friedman
Gregory A. Katz
Marvin B. Tepper
Partner Leonard J. Schreier
IY BECOMES PAINFULLY OBVIOUS THAT INSTEAD OF A DIVERSE CASHFLOW RESOURCE SUCH AS BOATYARDS,THOROUGHBREDS,ETC. TOO MANY NYM EGGS ARE LOCATED IN THE SAME THREADBARE BASKET. THERE IS NOT ONLY THE MPLICATION THAT REVENUE CAN BE EASILY RESTRICTED TO ALL SOURCES JUST AS SUCH FAMILIARITY,& INCEST WOULD NATURALLY STIFLE ORIGINALITY & CREATIVE SOLUTIONS.

Reyes can be a part of the discussion if they wanted him to be.
Sabathia was!

Point is you make the offer and if it isn’t good enough you lost nothing you wouldn’t have lost by making NO OFFER at all!

No offer says insult much more than a lowball offer!
And as long they don’t go and try to justify the lowball offer to the press (as the Yanks did with Jeter) it doesn’t play as a big story to anyone including the player!

Saying to someone I’m not going to make an offer because I don’t want to underbid or over bid says more to the player that I’m not really sure what your worth!

THATS more insulting than saying you can probably get more elsewhere but we have financial issues and this is the best we can do and if you want to look for better we understand but give us a chance to match it!

That says we can’t really afford it but will try if you get a better offer.
It could also be said hey we need to keep the cost down so we can go get some other players that will help us get a WS win!

Thats the best tact to take on a low offer you can make!
And not insult the player in the proccess!

It even plays of Reyes’ own statements. He wanted to stay a Met until he brought a WS here!
It certainly is where Wright would best be approached!

It’s all about the attitude 62.
If you sound like you WANT the player from the get go he won’tbe insulted by ANY reasonable offer.

But if you take the tact we don’t think your worth what you want go prove you are the player usually will! And not give you any warning he took the deal from someone else because you showed no interest whatsoever!

As I posted in another thread:
“Initial impressions will significantly impact the outcome so plan opening words and styles of approach very carefully”

If you make the offer and make it in a way that says this is what we can afford right now how far apart are we?

The player will not get the impression your trying to insult him just doing your job.

By not making an offer at all the player is WAY more likely to assume you don’t want him because your offer was lower than a Pizza!
It was NOTHING! I offer NOTHING says I don’t want you way more than an offer that is low compared to what the player thinks he is worth!

METSIE, WHAT IF NO TEAM IS WILLING TO EXCEED THE INDSURANCE COVERAGE LIMIT OF 3 YRS? AND THAT’S HIS FIRST OFFER. WHEREBY IF U SIT IN THE WEEDS UNTIL THEY GET VERY CLOSE TO YOUR LIMIT U CAN POTENTIALLY SWOOP IN WITH A VERY COMPETITIVE,”CLOSE” OFFER, HIS EMOTIONS WILL REWARD U FOR
FOR EXAMPLE, GNATS MAKE THE FIRST INITIAL OFFER SAY OF 3Y,75M; THAT’S COUNTERED IN A PHONE CALL FROM MILWALKEE BY 4Y/100M, PHILLY CHIMES IN WITH 4Y/120M; ALDERSON HEARS REYES IS GETTING ANTSY WITH THE TIME OF THE PROCESS FINALLY CALLING IN HIS 4Y +1OPTION OFFER @ A TOTAL OF 110M. REYES LIKE CLIFF LEE CAN BECOME A HERO OF EPIC PROPORTIONS & HIS AGENTS KNOW THAT, CERTAINLY, TAKING NYM OFFER IS MINIMAL OVERALL LOSS IN LIGHT OF ADDITIONAL LOCAL SPONSOR INCREASE FOR “THE HEROICLY LOYAL” BATTLING CHAMP
BTW TRY THIS SCENERIO WITH US MAKING THE FIRST TENTATIVE INITIAL OFFER, IT ISN’T PRETTY AS TYPICALLY, UNLESS THE FIRST OFFER IS A RECORD SETTER, IT RARELY SEALS THE DEAL ON A TOP FREE AGENT NON-PITCHER.

What is making an offer costing you?

Make an offer – he might now accept
don’t make an offer – what did you save?

If you believe he was going to look for other offers anyway then you didn’t lose a thing by making an offer! You didn’t RAISE his price ONE PENNY!

I just wish EVERYONE would stop talking about what they BELIEVE Reyes will,was,destined to do
And tell me WHAT DID WE GAIN by not making an offer?

I know what we lost already. The possibility (slim as you want to BELIEVE it was) he could accept it and not force us to outbid!

There is only ONE other reason to NOT make an offer…
You don’t want him at all and if you made your offer everyone would see you don’t really want the guy because your offer was not a serious one!

The only thing Sandy gained is maintained secrecy on his total lack of interest in keeping Reyes!
All the rest that you guys keep mentioneing will happen if we made one is going to happen anyway!

And if you think Sandy is going to come in after the 4 other teams who seem interested have HAD the bidding war for Reyes and then him to come here cheaper thenb why not make a good offer now and save yourself 3-6 mil per?

SA: IS THERE ANY NUMBER FOR WHICH JOSE WILL AGREE TO TODAY?

GOLD..: NOT ONE I’M PREPARED TO PUT OUT THERE RIGHT NOW.

SA: HOW ABOUT # OF YRS?

GOLD: NO, NOT NOW.

SA: WELL U DO WHAT U NEED TO & I’M SURE WE’LL TALK AGAIN WITH REAL NUMBERS.

GOLD: OK SANDY, TALK TO U THEN.

SO, METSIE LET’S PRESUME IT WENT DIFFERENTLY WITH SANDY LEAVING THEM WITH AN INITIAL OFFER. GOLDSMITH’S THEN GOING TO USE THAT TO MEASURE ALL OTHERS AGAINST, WHILE, OF COURSE, IT WILL BE EXCEEDED BY THE NEXT ONE FROM ELSEWHERE, MEANING OUR NEXT MOVE(HIS 3rd OFFER) IS EXCEEDING OUR FIRST + THE NEXT AND SO ON.

AS IT IS, HIS NEXT OFFER FROM ELSEWHERE WILL BE HIS FIRST ONE, FOR US TO EXCEED AS POSITION #2 NOT #3 PERHAPS HIS FIRST OFFER IS A LOWBALL FROM FL OR DC WHICH GIVES HIM AN INCLING; THEN WE HAVE AN OPORTUNMITY TO TOP IT MORE IMPRESSIVELY

METSIE, I WILL AGREE THAT THESE OP-ED PIECES FROM SOCALLED “EXPERTS” & “UNNAMED INTERNAL NYM SOURCES ARE UNSETTLING AND I’D ALSO ADMIT I’D BE MORE SETTLED HAD IT BEEN REPORTED ALDERSON’S PARTING WORDS TO GOLDSMITH WERE MORE LIKE, “AT LEAST GIVE ME THE COURTESY OF GUARANTEEING JOSE DOESN’T SIGN ANYWHERE WITHOUT GIVING US THE OPORTUNITY TO GO HIGHER…

METSUIE, IT’S LIKE THE GAME OF LEAPGROG WHEN THERE’S A CLIFF BEFORE U, IT;S IMPORTANT TO MEASURE YOUR JUMPS CAREFULLY, NOT BEING FIRST TO JUMP FEWER JUMPS ARE BETTER.

NOW, I PERSONALLY TAKE SOME COMFORT IN THE FACT THAT WHILE REYES, ON THE FIELD, IS A SHOWMAN, HIS OFF FIELD PERSONA HAS BEEN NON-PASGE 6 MATERIAL. YOU MAY RECALL THAT AFTER HIS FIRST BIG PAYDAY CONTRACT 5 YRS AGO, HIS PERSONAL EXTRAVAGENCE WAS “LUGGAGE” NO LAMBO OR FERRARI HE CULD EASILY HAVE AFFORDED; BUT VERY LOW KEY, MODEST AS I DO NOT PERSONALLY BELIEVE JOSE IS A MERC, PREPARED TO CASH IN ANYWHERE. I BELIEVE HE’D MUCH PREFER TO RETURN NEXT SEASON AS A LEGENDARY HERO IN FLUSHING THAN AS THE FLUSHING VILLAGE VILLAIN VIEWED AS A MERCENARY GETTING THE TREATMENT HE SAW BELTRAN GET FOR 7 YRS IN HOUSTON. THIS ISN’T AN ARMOR SKINNED RICKEY TYPE WE’RE DEALING WITH, BUTY A KID CLOSER TO TEARS WHEN BOOEDE THAM INCENSED WITH INDIGNATION. THROUGHOUT HIS CAREER HE’S NEVER GOTTEN THE CREDIT DESERVED FOR PLACING TYHE TEAM’S DESIRES OVER HIS OWN BE IT RESTRUCTURING HIS RUNNING STYLE OR FOOLISHLY SWITCHING TO 2B FOR A MUCH LESS TALENTED PLAYER(MATSUI)
EVERY ONE OF THOSE EXAMPLES BODES FOR A DESIRE TO RETURN IN TRIUMPH NOT WITH BULGING POCKETS
JOSE DIDN’T SPURN BORAS FOR YEARS BECAUSE HE VALUED MONEY OVER LOYALTY. NO, HE REMAINED LOYAL TO HIS REPRESENTATION DESPITE NOT GETTING MAXIMUM COMPENSATION IN HIS LAST DEAL. IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK… OR ACTS LIKE A MENSCH…

Should be what every manager nd Pitcher is doing as well!

If you think they shouldn’t then I guess thats pretty much says it all about who I am trying to reason with here!

Now you don’t know what he would have accepted!

You know what you accomplished by not making an offer?
Gave someone else first crack at Reyes, thats all!
You didn’t save yourself any money because no you can’t get Reyes to agree to a lesser bid your forced to outbid!

You accomplished nothing!

If you make a bid maybe Reyes actually loves it enough to stay for the low number…

You have a view but don’t even want to find out if it’s correct?
What do you lose by making an offer? NOTHING!
If he’s going to get more money he’s going to get it no matter what you offer!
So make an offer and hope he says thats enough for me to stay!

No wonder you don’t want to pay a lot you are happy with guys doing NO PREP for the game just show up and get OB!

Reyes might accept now so he can’t pretend to make an offer he doesn’t want to make anymore!

THATS what changed!