I asked you to prove WHY Kansas city didnt score more runs than a team with lesser OBP!

You couldn’t could you?

I proved that the team with Higher RBI did DESPITE lower OBP!

Now either you are admitting you can’t prove your own theory or that it isn’t true or you can PROVE IT by showing how much OBP + SLG equals 1 run!

YOU say they are related. Complain about RBI because it IS related and still say I haven’t prpved anything…

I think it’s time me and you have a shootout like you did with Satish on the topic.

You bring your evidence and I’ll bring mine!

In a few more days the season will be over and I will have three years of data showing how RBI relates to RS but not OBP or SLG!
Because temas with higher RBI will have higher RS than teams who have a higher OBP than the team with RBIs

I’ll even put a wager on it…
If I win you can no longer say RS is a product of OBP and SLG!

Boston Yankees and all the top 5 are in line and can PROVE mine!
Yours fails to prove after that, My proof still works!

Until you can prove that OBP + SLG will relate to rankings of RS better than my methofd or show the ratio and proportions of OBP + SLG = RS

You are pissing in the wind and have no proof!

The MINIMUM OBP required to guarantee a run is .501!
The Minimum SLG required to Guarantee a RUN is 4.0
Show me a team that has ever achieved that!

I showed you a top 10 not a top 5 merely becauase the BEST teams are good in ALL stats!
Not just the ones you like!

WHY DON:”T YOU show us all a team that is top 5 in OBP and SLG but NOT top 5 in RBI?
Can you?

No so what you are using as a comparator (COINCIDENTAL RELATION) works far better for my statistic than it does for yours!

But the problem is the guy with the RBI CAUSES the run to score, the guy with the OBP and SLG may or may not! Your not sure and by using that to judge who the best player is your relying on LUCK as much as FACT!
Might as well drop your finger on a list of players because it’s as scientific a method for player selection and predicting RS production as yours is!

Unless you can explain it!
But I’ve given you multiple shots and you ignored EVERY chance to prove your theory!

What base was the baytter on when he hit the ball over the fence?

What HAD to happen to allow any base tio be touched?

You are trying to say results drive events that cause them!
Which is why your theory fails miserably!
Cause things in the future are a RESULT of the past the past doesn’t occur based on how it was recorded!

Did the STAT cause the run or the act of the better hitting the ball?

Does an OB cause a run to score even using your method of post data causality?
NO!
Does SLG? NO!
But the RBI does even in your backwards timeline of causality!

The run is CAUSED by the how the batter met ball with bat!
Not what the scorer wrote on the scorecard!

You way is only good for evaluating SCORERS not players ability to drive in runs!

Thats all you have to do!”

The batter. It’s not a run OR an RBI until home plate is touched. When the runner touches first it’s only a single till he touches second. When he touches second, its only a double till he touches third. And so on. Call up Robin Ventura and ask him exactly what he got for hitting the ball over the fence then getting gang tackled by Pratt and the rest of the team.

And what’s this junk about the Royals? They’re 5th in OBP, 6th in SLG% and 6th in runs scored. Sounds right to me. We already went over how the Jays were a slight anomoly. God forbid soemthing isn’t exactly 100% right 100% of the time. How about you answer why the Orioles have fewer runs scored than the Indians, but more RBI? Can’t prove that, can you?

See? I can do it, too.

Thats all you have to do!

Either that or show the ratio of OBP+SLG that results in 1 RS!

Can you do that?

NO!
SO truth is you can’t help youself without saying RBIs are driectly related to RS admitting to everyone OBP and SLG do not!

Disproving your own theory!

RBI is awarded based on an ACT AT THE PLATE!
It does not require the batter to get on base!
It does not require the batter to BE on base!
It doesnot require someone ELSE to be on base!
What it requires is the batter to hit the ball someplace that allows a run to score!

And if you don’t get that then YOu ARE HOPLESSLY BRAINWASHED!
And will not see the truth of the REALITY!

And the teams like the Toronto Blue Jays will score more runs than any team you build because you ignore the MOST IMPORTANT and RELATED stat towards RS the RBI!

Bostong and Yankees are at the top of the list not because of OBP and SLG it’s because they lead the league in RBI!

Want more proof?
Kansas Cioty Royals Better OBP and SLG compared to Toronto. Did they score more runs? Why not?
What did Toronto do better?

Take a look at the RBI column!

Your theory is proven DEAD WRONG!
It did not hold true!

Mine did though!

That’s where you fail. You MAKE UP scenarios, then say I’m wrong because I can’t prove them. You want proof that OBP most closely causes a high run/RBI total, look at the rankings in each league of both statistics since baseball was invented. Then look at other causes for scoring runs. Look at SLG%, loot at BA, look at hit toal. Look at it all and tell us which rankings most closely correlate. That’ll be all the proof you need.

Here’s a life lesson for you. Something isn’t false just because you can’t comprehend why it’s true.

TWO DIFFERENT THINGS!
No matter how insistant you remain they are different!
A batter can get an RBI without there being anyone on base, without getting an OB, and without getting a hit!

HIS ACT is KEY to the RS not the OB!

And everytime you insist that RBI is RS all your really doing is making my point because your admitting that OBP has NOTHING to do with RS directly but RBI does!

YOU claim it does so SHOW us how it does and at what rate!

If you can’t then obviously there is not relation that PROVES your theory!
Yet Mine DOES!
one RBI results in 1 RS!
OBP may help the RBI act produce more runs than usual but OBP does NOTHING unless it is accompanied by a corresponding RBI!

Runs and RBIs are the same thing. That’s why their totals are always so closely related. Not because one “causes” the other. They are the same result of the same play.

If not then you can’t prove what you say and RBU which CAN overrides your theory!

Toronto 11th in OBP 7th in SLG
At best they should be below 7th in RS not 5th!
They are 6th in RBI! RBI correlates better than OBP and SLG doesn’t it?

It’s not unprecedented that a team who should be 7th or 8th in something is 5th considering the parameters, but I’m still waiting for the bottom five OBP team thats top 5 in runs/RBIs. Hiding from it?

Hmm they are up in RS, Up in RBI, Low in OBP!

So whats your excuse How did they get those RBI and RS without OBP?

You can run from these teams but you can’t hide!

If what you said were true then Toronto shouldn’t be there!
But they are!
Because of the RBI that didn’t need OBP to get!

The Mets follow this formula, too. This season, they are 2nd in OBP. 8th in SLG%. I’ll give you one guess where they are in runs scored. Forget it, I’ll just tell you. 5th. Naturally.

You need to stop trying to reinvent baseball. It’s been like this for 150 years and you changing the definition of a hit won’t change that.

I asked you to find three teams in baseball history that finished in the bottom 5 in OBP and the top 5 in runs. If you can’t do it, just admit it.

You point out that Boston has the highest OBP in the league which proves nothing because they also have the highest RBI as well!

WHich fits my model more than yours!

Toronto Blue Jays are 14th in OBP 5th in RS 6th in RBI!

It’s the RBI that is significant OBP is apparently IRRELEVANT because if it was Toronto who is ANYTHING but top 5 in OBP IS top 5 in RS!

Something your theory says CAN NEVER HAPPEN!

But MY theory predicts their ranking almost perfectly doesn’t it?

EPIC LOSS I don’t know why you inisist on this OBP track when I have showed in EVERY YEAR examples of teams that prove it all a bunch of phoey!

Boston has the highest OBP in the league. Guess who’s scored the most runs in the league? The Yankees, Rangers and Tigers are 2-4 in OBP. Guess who’s 2-4 in runs scored? It’s not rocket science, it’s the way baseball’s been played for 150 years.