Name a team in the NL East who scored more runs than them!

I’m preparing myself for the possibility of no Reyes. Mostly because at the beginning of the season I thought it was the be-all end-all. My theory is that the Mets have larger problems that Reyes can solve. Ya know?

PS Hideo Nomo was an anomaly. He had no-hitters before AND after he was on the Mets!

PS I am not for hi-colonics by the way. Causes more harm than good

You don’t see the light because your letting the tunnel walls get to you IMO.

This team doesn’t need a good cleaning…

By cleaning do you mean get rid of Wright Reyes Davis Duda and Murphy?

Do those guys need to go to be good?

Did Phillies do that with Rollins and Utley?

They have 4 core guys they built around.
Do not Wright Reyes Murphy Davis and Duda exceed that core?
Compare them one on one!
Tell me which Phillies player trumps which met>

Rollins vs reyes? Not even on Rollin’s BEST day!
Wright vs Polanco? Look at the SLG!
Howard vs Davis? Again look at the SLG AND BA plus fielding!
Duda is the only one who doesn’t match up to what the Phillies have playing the outfield and thats all based on SLG of players who play in a bandbox!

Add Murphy to the mix and you really have a much better TEAM than the Phillies who bought just about ALL of their pitching!

You are playing the grass is greener! It isn’t!

We just took two of three from Atlanta! they of the home grown pitching.

As while the Phillies had to buy their starting rotation we have Harvey Familia, mejia and Wheeler poised to come up!

I know Yuppies like the whole CLEANSING thing and go and get enemas like most people go get a coffee but this team is not in need of one of those!

And anyone who thinks they do either hasn’t been paying attention to the production or merely looking at the standings everyday but not the box score!

WE score more runs than the Phillies do!
We are 11th in the league in scoring and the top run scorer in our division!

It’s just that we don’t have the pitching to stop allowing more than we score!

But you would like to cleanse us of that distinction by getting rid of all the guys who score and produce those runs?

I say SKIP the enema and get your self some eyeglass cleaners!

As you note, they are pretty much all in on an old, expensive (and locked up) core. And hopefully, the age starts catching up to them more and more.

Actually, recently the phils have hit the same issue they had last year. The offense is sputtering quite often. Even at this point, the Mets have scored just about as many runs, while playing in less of a hitters park.

Not sure how long the PHils can keep up this pace (into the future). Oswalt is likely gone. Hamels could be a Yankee by 2013 (FA after 2012).

so who knows, if the workload finally catches up to Halladay and/or Lee? They could get real average real quickly.

I know thay have been on a great run (once a century!), but at some point, it has to end. especially if the revenue drops back a little, and they can’t keep running 170mill payrolls out there.

I just want to see them flame out early in the playoffs again, and then have the rotation spring some leaks next year (and the remaining old guys can continue to have injury issues)

BTW I wouldn’t disagree that the Mets burn bridges all the time. I’ve said that repeatedly on here, and it mostly relates to how they undervalue their own players. I suggest you read this: http://metsmerizedonline.com/2011/03/crash-and-burn.html, where I discuss that very topic.

At the end of the day, the Mets’ current issues don’t lie in needing to sign Reyes, whether or not they hold onto Wright, or building pitching through development or through hired guns. It’s about overvaluing, emotional attachments and true value of players we consider “ours.”

And with all due respect, I think you are dead wrong on how the Phillies did it. They won in ’08 on complete guile and one can argue on their home grown talent: Hamels, Howard, Rollins and Utley. Their “hired guns” like Rowand and Werth were complimentary. Now, we are seeing what I believe the denouement of that team. Giving Howard $25mm per year till 2019, I want to say? (2018 perhaps) That’s INSANE! Rollins is gone and getting old. I could go on, but I won’t, for this a piece on the Mets. But I will always appreciate your comments here, Metsie, they are so well thought out and argued!

Well Coop I don’t buy they are a few years away, Could be only a year or two. I define FEW as more like 3 or 4 years away.

As to would it make a difference to lose with him or without him? Well you have to look at more than the standings here.

What was our biggest accomplishment this year and was different about this year compared to the previous years (including the 2006-2008 years!)

You would have to say it was they way they fought and fought hard in almost every game and made it a game right up until the game was over. (recent homestand aside)

That is a total sea change compared to recent years!

Reyes has been the only player we had who has exhibited this ALL OUT NEVER GIVE UP attitude before this year. This year we added guys like Murphy and Turner who also have this all out attitude and bear down when the game is on the line and fight!

This attitude is what the team has sorely lacked as proven by the collapses in 2007 and 2008. And it needs to be continued if we ever hope to succeed in much the way the fight and never quit attitude of the 86ers dominated the league.

You need to keep the players that exhibit that “MAKEUP” and build around them with even more players that have that fight and all out attitude to create a champion.

Want Proof? Look no further than the Philiies who have built their team not by spreadsheet but by internal fortitude and a lot of hired guns on the mound!

I joked about it in a column by Brandon but like I hinted there is a lot of truth in what is said in jest.

When you look around the field at what we have there is not a lot of weakness! Not a lot of greatness true but enough goodness to win against everyone provided they are not forced to score 6 runs per game! And you solve that by getting better pitching not rebuilding the regulars!

I am writing a piece now that compares our regulars to the phillies which should answer any debate about the FEW YEARS AWAY part of your post.