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2011
More On Pelfrey’s Awful Season
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Updated 9/26
I thought some of the comments that came out of yesterday’s loss were worth sharing.
Mike Pelfrey seemed far from distraught from what I could see and matter of factly said,
“I wanted to finish strong and obviously this is the farthest thing from it. The year didn’t go the way I wanted. It’s unfortunate, but I can’t change that. I have to get back to getting the ball down. I gave up more home runs this year than I have in my life and I can’t pitch that way.”
Pelfrey only won once in his last 12 starts of the season. His secondary pitches still stink, his bread and butter pitch hasn’t been seen in over 18 months, and his confidence continues to regress much like his overall production.
Terry Collins said he would not give Pelfrey an Opening Day assignment again.
“I’ll take full responsibility if I put a heavy load on his shoulders by naming him the Opening Day starter,” Collins said. “I thought he earned it from what he did last year. I think it’s gonna be a work in progress for Mike to gather himself, he needs to start making pitches. He had a bad year.”
I don’t blame Collins for naming Pelfrey the Opening Day starter and I don’t think that had anything to do with how awful Pelfrey has pitched this season.
Maybe he was rushed to the majors to quickly as one of our readers mentioned, or maybe he was really never as good as everyone expected based on how high he was drafted.
If he wasn’t slated to earn about $6-7 million dollars next season, I’d say keep him as an innings eater and number five starter, but not even the Yankees would spend that kind of dough on this kind of skill set.
If Moneyball is about getting the most bang for your buck, Pelfrey is the antithesis to that.
Original Post 9/25
Before the game today Terry Collins said Mike Pelfrey had something to prove.
“I think today he’s going against one of the best in baseball and if he comes out today successful and I think it’s a huge step forward confidence wise for him,” Collins said. “That’s what we’re looking hopefully to do.”
To make a long and sad story short, Pelfrey lasted just three innings against the Phillies who torched him for five runs, all earned, on nine hits and a walk. It was as ugly a start as Pelfrey has had all season long. He even gave up a sharply hit single to pitcher Roy Halladay after intentionally walking the batter ahead of him. It was the last pitch he’d throw today.
Pelfrey earned $3.9 million in 2011, and is set to earn as much as $6-8 million dollars in arbitration this offseason. Any thought of non-tendering him have already been squashed by Sandy Alderson and the Mets. In fact, if Johan isn’t ready by Opening day, that assignment will most likely go to Pelfrey again.
Of course, Pelfrey has proven to be nothing more than an innings eater who hurls one brilliant start for every ten poor to less than mediocre starts he makes. In other words – Pelfrey is a bottom of the rotation pitcher and not somebody you EVER want on the mound in a big game.
It’s a shame that despite how well this team has performed offensively, not much will be done in the way of adding a top of the rotation starter this Winter according to recent statements by Sandy Alderson.
As I said last week, as far as the rotation goes for 2012, what you see now is what you’ll get.
If we were Royals fans of Pirates fans, we probably wouldn’t even care all that much, but when your team logo has the NYC skyline on it, you kind of expect more than what we’ve been getting and apparently what we’re gonna get more of next season.
By the way, the Mets are now down 9-0 in the 4th inning. Reliever DJ Carrasco, who will also be back next season, gave up four more earned runs in relief of Pelfrey.
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Pelfrey sucks and I’m tired of his finger licking BS !
Go Big Poof. Like, go away.
I HOPE THAT IS THE LAST GAME AS METS WE SEE OF PELFREY AND CARRASCO.
carrasco will be here next year, our great GM gave him a 2 year contract, god knows why..
Now the Mets have 83 losses and 76 Wins. Last year 2010 they ended with 83 losses and 79 wins.With 3 to play they have to win all three to tie last year or else this year will be the worst one.Can they do it against the Reds.
so what, ppl here actually believe this year the team was somehow BETTER.. even if they lose more games.. go figure
The regulars were better, the Pitchers were worse…MUCH WORSE!
Sandy cannot possibly be serious about bringing Pelfrey back for next season. How could he possibly grow as a SP? He’s lost the only good pitch he ever had-the hard 2 seamer and failed to develop every single secondary pitch he’s tried to pick-up- slider,curve, change and splitter except for the split for a short while last season. I rather see Sandy sign some 6 yr. minor league FA SP to a split contract with a ML min. rate of 418K and have him and Schwinden pitch 100 IP apiece than see Pelfrey’s overall less than meh 200 IP at 5-6MM.
I AGREE. I DON’T CARE IF HE PITCHES 200 OR 400 INNINGS.
Pelfrey??? Get his soft, flake ash outta here!!!
Mike Pelfrey, Mets “Stopper”-as in if you need a Mets winning streak stopped, pitch Pelfrey and it’s history. Having said that if Collins didn’t bring in a MUCH worse pitcher to follow up Pelfrey (DJ Carrasco) the Mets still had a shot in this game. But, surprise, DJ comes in and coughs up another 4 earned to quash any thought of a comeback. Can anyone tell me, aside from his guaranteed contract for ’12, why Carrasco should be back next season? Me, I don’t see any. His numbers (thus far): 6.02 ERA, 49 IP, 67 Hits allowed: OPP BA .337 OPP OBP .403, OPP SLG .503. LHB slash line: .342/.441/.443. RHB slash line: .317/.353/.549. So he’s totally useless vs either RH or LH batters. I thought the Mets dumped Oliver Perez? Or did he come back incognito as a RH reliever? Hmmmm………
another great move by alderson, yet that’s ok.. he gets a pass, carrasco was omar’s fault as well
I bleive thats the last game for Pelfey as a Met. There not going to pay him 8 mil a yr, no way!
Unfortunately, Alderson has already ruled out non-tendering him, so he’s coming back in 2012. Likely at a big raise as well. Can’t wait to see how moving in the fences at Citi Field will affect his psyche next year. Yikes!
That’s unbelievable. Usually GMs who want to WIN thing re-evaluate people like Pelfrey before considering a guy like that could be part of a winning unit. Evidently Money-Ball Alderson probably thinks this guy can get you innings, be cheap and be a major league pitcher and could be a good investment for the price, too bad this is baseball and not an pawn shop. People in NYC want to WIN.
Yes. I saw Moneyball and you’re right on the money/ball. Billy Beane never has won anything, his team has not been over .500 in what, six years? Woe is me and NY if that’s the way we’re going. Pops
Kinda sounds like Millwood or Wang, doesn’t he?
Talk to the Rockies about picking up Millwood for their stretch drive giving them a 4-3 record, 3.98 ERA and VERY nice WHIP. Maybe if Alderson did SOMETHING to help the Mets last off season the Mets would have had a better chance for a stretch drive and maybe the Mets could have used Millwood for themselves wise ass.
And don’t get me started on Chin Mieng Wang who has been pitching VERY WELL for the Nats lately. At least he’s here now – where is Chris Young? Will Young ever pitch again?
We know Wang will. And also, wise guy, it’s good that Wang is pitching well because Santana had the same kind of surgery and Wang’s success could bode well for Santana relatively speaking.
So crawl back into your basement and do my litmus test for Carbon Monoxide and “Clutch”. You know? You can’t see, hear, smell, or taste either but both exist. Actually Clutch has a taste – the taste of victory.
ROFLMAO!!
Clutch has a taste. The taste of victory. I picture you with a 70′s mustache, a roller babe and a Camaro.
News flash about Millwood. He was with two winning organizations this year alone who needs desperate pitching help, and both teams dumped him. So relax on his 4 ERA in nine starts……only two were against teams above .500. And if the Mets had signed Wang, who hadn’t pitched in two years, to a cheap, incentive laden contract, I’m sure you would have been thrilled. I mean, you were ecstatic about the Young and Capuano signings. Oh, wait…..
“Talk to the Rockies about picking up Millwood for their stretch drive giving them a 4-3 record, 3.98 ERA and VERY nice WHIP. Maybe if Alderson did SOMETHING to help the Mets last off season the Mets would have had a better chance for a stretch drive and maybe the Mets could have used Millwood for themselves wise ass.
And don’t get me started on Chin Mieng Wang who has been pitching VERY WELL for the Nats lately. At least he’s here now – where is Chris Young? Will Young ever pitch again?”
Wait, are the Nats and Rockies going to the playoffs?
“So crawl back into your basement and do my litmus test for Carbon Monoxide and “Clutch”. You know? You can’t see, hear, smell, or taste either but both exist.”
Actually, there is solid evidence for CO.
“Actually Clutch has a taste – the taste of victory.”
HAHAHAHAHAHA Oh, that is just precious.
Right?! I can’t believe he actually said that!
I have the Two Clowns laughing at something that refers to big hits meaning big wins. The same clowns that don’t believe in clutch, the same clowns who worship David Wright more because of how his stats look on paper rather than how his stats look on the field – which is most of the time window dressing.
I have an idea why don’t you two misanthropes get together with Craig Lerner and write another piece on how this season was a success.
Wait, I don’t believe in clutch? I worship David Wright? Or does that just help you sleep better at night.
Whatever you say, La Flama Blanca.
“The same clowns that don’t believe in clutch, the same clowns who worship David Wright more because of how his stats look on paper rather than how his stats look on the field – which is most of the time window dressing.”
Gold. Pure gold.
I’m getting that printed on a t-shirt.
It sounds like something Kenny Powers would say.
Can you provide a link to where you heard/saw that?
I’m not arguing, just didn’t hear that.
Pelfrey definitely proved something. Proved that he sucks and has no heart.
When the hell is Alderson gonna tell his fan base that he wants to WIN. No matter what anybody thinks about Omar Minaya, Steve Phillips, or any other GM the Mets have had at least they always told the fan base that the goal is to WIN.
When the hell is Alderson gonna stop talking about OBP and start talking and DOING something about WIN!
When are people like you going to realize people talking on blog is NOT Alderson speaking.
After a bomb by Pelfrey with three days left of the season, he’s going to stop everything, hold a press conference to tell people like YOU what they are going to do next year to win.
Are you that dumb to think ANY GM is not going to tell their fan base they are want to win. Minaya and Phillips told you that, you bought it, and they didn’t do it.
Yet you are having a stroke after a GM is not even here ONE year and listening more to what people THINK he’s saying that what is actually going to be done.
Unreal……………..
I love the armchair GM’s that assumption and think they have a clue while sitting in their basement behind a keyboard.
“No matter what anybody thinks about Omar Minaya, Steve Phillips, or any other GM the Mets have had at least they always told the fan base that the goal is to WIN.”
So what? I’d rather see them winning than hear the GM talk about it.
Stop making no-win situations you think you’re going to trap people with.
donal,
fact is, he’s not talking about it, and the team is not winning either.. so… what is your point? you’re axcting as if we went 95-67 this year or something.. and don’t give me that “he’s preparing for the future” crap, because we do not have any idea how nimmo and wheeler and all those kids will turn out to be.. so, while is good to stock the minors and have good prospect is also good to have TALENTED major league players, i mean, can you imagine same CRAPPY rotation in 2012? minus reyes? come on man, i understand ppl here don’t want guys sign “long term”, but if we don’t sign them we’d be stuck with a bunch of “low risk/high reward” players, who more often than not turn out to be low risk than high reward, i mean, look at this year’s mets, sandy got us like 10 of those players, and only capuano turn out to be average at best.. is that the plan??
“fact is, he’s not talking about it, and the team is not winning either.. so… what is your point? you’re axcting as if we went 95-67 this year or something”
No, quite the opposite. Bayonne is acting as if we were all that successful prior to this year.
“and don’t give me that “he’s preparing for the future” crap”
Of course not. Win a few games next year no matter what it costs the following years. We’ll just keep buying free agents.
“while is good to stock the minors and have good prospect is also good to have TALENTED major league players,”
where do you think the major leaguers come from?
“ome on man, i understand ppl here don’t want guys sign “long term”, but if we don’t sign them we’d be stuck with a bunch of “low risk/high reward” players,”
Which is worse: 1 Paul Wilson or 1 Jason Bay? Wilson didn’t work and we moved on. Bay isn’t working out and…
“i mean, look at this year’s mets, sandy got us like 10 of those players, and only capuano turn out to be average at best.. is that the plan??”
No, the plan is to build a solid foundation. You don’t do that by just adding more high priced free agents for too much money to a mediocre team no one wants to play for right now.
you are so wrong is not even funny, we WERE succesful the past years, had not been for injury 2009-2010 would’ve been different and YOU KNOW IT,
yes, i KNOW the major leaguers come from the minors, but not all minor leaguer become big leaguers!!!
what’s worse paul wilson or jason bay? really?? having a first rounder pick like wilson sets you back double imo, because, you wasted “a draft pick”, waited 4 years for him to be ready, then he’s a POS, look a pelfrey and tell me he’s not forcing the organization to look at other SP candidates??
No, the plan is to build a solid foundation. You don’t do that by just adding more high priced free agents for too much money to a mediocre team no one wants to play for right now”
agree, i am not implying to get all high priced free agents, just make sure we get good players, jason bay turned out to be a bust, but not even you could’ve predicted he’d forget how hit once he came over, about oliver perez and castillo yes, but jason bay was not THIS BAD, is the same thing when you sign a guy for cheap, he may turn out to be great!!
“you are so wrong is not even funny, we WERE succesful the past years, had not been for injury 2009-2010 would’ve been different and YOU KNOW IT,”
No, not at all. Besides, the injuries happened. Every team deals with them. The problem is, the Mets FO put them in a position where they didn’t have any good options.
“what’s worse paul wilson or jason bay? really?? having a first rounder pick like wilson sets you back double imo, because, you wasted “a draft pick”, waited 4 years for him to be ready,”
You have an entire farm system that doesn’t revolve around 1 player. That’s the whole point of a farm system. You work on around 300 players a year.
And Wilson spent a year and a half in the minors before debuting for the big club.
“then he’s a POS, look a pelfrey and tell me he’s not forcing the organization to look at other SP candidates??”
The CAN look at other candidates. What can they do about Bay?
“agree, i am not implying to get all high priced free agents, just make sure we get good players, jason bay turned out to be a bust, but not even you could’ve predicted he’d forget how hit once he came over, about oliver perez and castillo yes, but jason bay was not THIS BAD, is the same thing when you sign a guy for cheap, he may turn out to be great!!”
There was also no way he was going to be as good as he was in Boston. And even if he was, the team still needs a hell of a lot more.
I can’t believe how stupid my fellow Met fans are sometimes. Of course Pelfrey is coming back! what is it going to take for my fellow Met fans to finally realize that the Mets are NOT trying to compete! The goal is, “tread water.” Don’t make waves, provide enough on the filed talent to ensure a non-cellar team but not a competitive team.
Pelfrey is a decent major league pitcher, not a good pitcher not a horrible pitcher.
The Mets are obviously trying to build for the future. Instead of continuing their ridiculous practice of just paying out the a** for crappy free agents that up the payroll but contribute nothing towards a winning record the new GM has made the decision to build a team over time. The Mets have done this before. Its how they built up the 86 World Series team. You have to have a good minor league system to build a winning franchise and the Mets have repeatedly gutted their system and paid for it. The Mets NEED to rebuild their minor league system with tons of players so that hopefully a few will make it to the majors and they will have extras to trade in the future. Thats how teams do it.
Unfortunately that means that Pelfrey will come back next year. I hate to see him on the mound but considering the free agents available and the Mets desire to not overpay or make long contracts I just don’t see anyone that will fit. It sucks for next year but its smart for the long term goal. The Mets struggled for years with long contracts to old players. Hell, I heard they are still paying Bobby Bonilla now!
Carrasco might have a contract for next year, but I wouldn’t be too sure about him being an automatic return. If Sandy could part ways with Castillo and Perez whose contracts were far larger, I’m pretty sure he’d have to problems cutting ties with Carrasco as well.
Not this current FO’s doing that the Mets don’t have any depth in the minors to bridge the cap between those not quite ready (i.e. Harvey, Wheeler, Famillia, Mejia, etc.) and the holes we’ve got on this current big league roster. Pretty sure Pelfrey was one of Omar’s #1 draft picks and he only spent like 33 innings at advance ball in the minors. Think we’ve got Bernazard to thank for that, along with the multitude of injuries that forced them to bring him up too early. We’ll never know if that’s the difference between him not developing his secondary pitches or not. I’d also like to know whose idea it was to change the 3/4 arm slot angle on his sinker to the full arm slot angle – which appears to me to be the big reason that sinker doesn’t sink and why he doesn’t use it much anymore. Was it Mike himself? Warthen? Peterson?
Without these 2 things Pelfrey is never going to be anymore than what he is right now. Collins said on the post game last night that they’ll have to ‘start over’ in ST with Pelfrey. I too would just assume he become someone else’s headache next year but don’t think that’ll be the case. We’ve got no depth on the current roster and very little depth for opening day – unless you want to count Schwinden who I’m pretty sure has a celing similar to Gee’s.
The only way I can see getting an additional SP who is better than Pelfrey is by doing a trade. And the only way that is happening is giving up something decent to get back something decent. I’m not ruling out that might be a serious consideration this winter.
Thanks for your well thought out and informed comment. I’d love to explore the possibility of trading for the Rays’ Shields who becomes a free agent after next season. I am also very interested in pursuing Yu Darvish as he becomes available from Japan. Working on a post that highlights 5 scenarios Mets should explore for rotation until the kids are ready in 2013-2014. Those are two examples.
Problem with Yu is he is realistically going to cost you 100 mil (posting cost + contract). Granted you won’t lose draft picks (a plus), but that cost hurts. Also, if I understand this correctly, the posting cost is due up front, not paid over the life of the contract, correct?
If this team is looking to acquire a SP via trade, they’ll have to consider parting ways with a combination of Havens, Turner, Murphy, Tejada, Fmart, Evans, Holt or other minor leaguers. Having so many newbies needing to be protected from Rule 5 and most being (minus Havens) mid level prospects without a very high ceiling, it’s going to have to be a 3 or 4 for 1 type deal.
Unless, of course, you go the “trade Wright” route, which opens up the options greatly. Would Colorado ship Pomeranz + a couple for Wright? Would SF do Bumgarden + another for Wright?
I don’t see the Mets even attempting to bid on Yu Darvish. He will command too much money. Trading for Shields might be a possibility but this GM seems more about building a long term solution instead of a rental player for one year. Unless the Mets could trade for Shields with a contract extension, like they did when they got Santana, it just wouldn’t be worth it at all.
maybe Pelf can be hypnotized if he must come back.
Judging on how bad Pelf did, how bad the BP sucked, Niese not really progressing too much and Gee falling apart in the 2nd half, does this mean Warthen is a goner?
Good question. The first order of business after the season ends will be deciding which coaches stay and which ones go, so we will have our answer in less than two weeks.
Frankly, I don’t see any way that Warthen will be retained, not after presiding over this debacle.
Me either. I honestly don’t know why he was retained in the first place. Should have had a complete restart with the staff when Collins took over. It put Collins in a tough decision to have to work with someone he may/may not have wanted in that position.
I soured on Warthen when he and John Maine were all snippy at each other in the media. If he’s going to sell his players out to the media, can’t imagine how he’s like behind closed doors.
Ironically, Warthen was retained largely because they thought Pelfrey stepped up last season under his tutelage.
I’m going to comment on Terry’s first managerial season here at the Mets Stadium, Citi Field. First he was super polite – that alwayss works, but the message here was I’m going to really try to help you guys, not just direct you. He instituted a policy of talking with Every Player Every Day. Ever hear of that kind of connection before? Neither had I, but this worked – so many of the players were just kids in their early twenties, living in a strange place with no one they knew. Now they had Terry — what a help he was. I could go on and on, but I’ve already written about Terry in a column due to be published today. He’s quite a guy, with a big heart, and a real concern for his team.
I have not been a fan of Warthen cause I, maybe I’m wrong, have not seen any improvement from any pitcher under his tutelage plus Pelf’s season last year was only good 1st half then he returned to form.
I wonder, having listened to a couple of interviews by former college coach, if maybe Met’s changed something about his pitches and which ones to throw and which ones to not use cause having pitched good in college how can his just forget how to pitch?
I’m a big critic of Pelf just saying plus wasn’t having Paulino back there having him pitch inside more against lefties supposed to help him also?
He will be brought back cause there are no other arms available within the money SA wants to spend and Pelf does eat innings but he needs to be a #5 or #4 but it seems Met’s have quite a few #4 and #5 pitchers on staff other than Niese, Santana and R.A.
I know that other than Santana that the rotation, unless trade made will look the same:
Santana
R.A. Dickey
Niese
Gee
Pelf/Capuano
I say Warthen goes, Hale is supposed to be leaving to go to other team, Wally is our 3b coach or Teufel but the hitting coach has made a difference in approach; he can’t go up there and swing the bat for batters.
Warthen should be fired and already should have been fired during the middle of the season. The Mets need a pitching coach who can develop young pitchers instead of a guy who seems to just have made Pelfrey worse this year.
OH My God your all STILL complaining about Mike Pelfrey! Fellow Met fans your idiots!
Pelfrey is a good pitcher who has an upside. Yes, right now he is not pitching well but the very fact that we, the unpaid non-professional baseball fan recognize that Pefrey is capable of so much more is telling in itself. Here is just a small sampling.. and yes of course Pelfrey will get a raise he is underpaid as it is.
See 2011 pitcher comparisons below:
MIke Pelfrey 7-13 era: 4.74 whip: 1.47 inngings: 193.2 salary: 3.95 million a yr.
Jon Lackey 12-12 era: 4.63 whip: 1.62 inngs: 160 salary: 15.25 million a yr.
A.J. Burnett 11-11 era: 5.16 whip: 1.44 inngings: 190 salary: 16.5 million a yr.
Derek Lowe 9-16 era: 4.92 whip: 1.51 inngings: 183 salary: 15 million a yr.
Bronson Arroyo 9-12 era: 5.09 whip: 1.37 innings: 191 salary: 11.5 million a year
Ryan Dempster 10-13 era: 4.53 whip: 1.43 innings: 196.2 salary: 13.5 million a yr.
Carl Pavano 8-13 era: 4.48 whip: 1.39 innings: 213 salary: 8 million a year
Oh great, Pelfrey didn’t cost a lot now I feel better. Maybe Craig Lerner was right and the season is a success after all. Pelfrey sucked for less than I thought, wonderful!
Maybe they should rename this site FinancialPlanningErized! because everybody’s an accountant now.
Forget that seasons like this could be aberrations for guys like Arroyo, Lackey, Burnett and any of the other ones. Forget that the next season any one of those guys can give you a solid year.
I guess the smarter we lose the better, right?
Pelfrey’s checking and savings account aside maybe it’s time he moved on.
Bayonne your trying to be cutesy,glibishly funny but your not pulling it off.
Pelfrey stays because he is a comparable pitcher to other starting pitchers throughout the league and can be signed for the next several years at a below market price. It’s not about finger-licking, shoulder slumping, perceptions, it’s about statistics. The reality is that even when having a terrible year Pelfrey is a mainstay on the Met pitching staff. The reality is that even while having a terrible year Pelfrey’s statistics are on par with other starting pitchers being paid a lot more money. If the Mets can lock Pelfrey up for the next 3 yrs at
7 million-9 million a year they will have made a very smart investment.
“Forget that seasons like this could be aberrations for guys like Arroyo, Lackey, Burnett and any of the other ones. Forget that the next season any one of those guys can give you a solid year.”
Bayonne, These pitchers did have a “solid year.” This is the major league starting pitching market. I think part your frustration lies with your expectations. What do you expect an average starting pitchers year to look like?
So, your point is that because Pelf is “underpaid” in comparison to 6 other over paid and for the most part putrid pitchers he’ll deserve a raise? I’ve no doubt he’ll get a raise, as that is just how the system works. That said, you have AJ, who the Yanks very well may consider leaving off the playoff roster; Lowe, who can’t get unloaded by the Braves, even though they have a large surplus of SPs, and the others that are basically throwing up stats that a back of the rotation pitcher throws out there…
Are you even looking at these numbers you are putting out there? Gee and Niese, which you posted below, put out these stats:
Jonathan Niese 11-11 era: 4.40 whip: 1.41 innings: 178 salary: $452,000 yr.
Dylan Gee 13-6 era: 4.43 whip: 1.37 innings: 160.2 salary: (?? 425,000 ??}
Why would you want to pay 15.25 mil, 16.5 mil, 15 mil, 11.5 mil, 13.5 mil, 8 mil (for the above overpaid bomb brigade or lets assume 6 mil for Pelfrey next year when you can plug in the above (Niese/Gee) for 5 million less? It’s not even being Moneyball, or Madoff Mets or Freddy Coupons or what ever you want to call it. It’s just being smart.
Pelf is a career average of 102 Ks, 4.40 ERA, 1.459 Whip, 201 innings. 200+ innings… of subpar pitching. yippee…
The Price if a major League starting pitcher is not just “sent” from contract to contract. The salary is determined by what the market will pay. The market will pay any pitcher who can pitch 200 innings at least 3 million a year bottom basement price..add on years of service.. potential to improve… past performance..
Lets take Mike Pelfrey for example…
200 innings = 3 million a year
past performance + 1 million (recent 15 game winner)(12 game winner)
potential to improve add another 1 million dollars
Add it all up and what do we get = 5 million a year salary for Mike Pelfrey
I figure the Mets will sing Pelfrey to a 3yr/5million dollar contract
Thank you.
Considering the FA SP market next year is far superior to the 2012 FA SP market, I’m pretty sure they’ll go arb only this year and be done with him after the 2012 season. And if he does pitch like a champion this year, you offer him arb, he’ll decline and you net a pick, assuming his stellar record actually warrants a type B pick.
your smarty-pants common sense, intelligent comment blows my silly Met-logic-thinking out of the water.
oh! Goodness me I forgot to include “Years of Service”!! Well. Lets see now…..
Mike Pelfrey 4 yrs of service = $350,000
So, add that to Pelf’s contract and we have… 3yrs/5,350,000
The Mets will sign Pelfrey to a 3yr/$5,350,000
Thank you.
This is our pitching staff, even with Pelfrey having a horrible, no good very bad year he compares very favorably to the rest of our starting pitchers. And people say, “Don’t resign Pelfrey because he had a poor year! We’re angry with Mike Pelfrey so lets get him back by not offering him a contract! Yeah that will show him! And all us Met fans will feel so much better about our self!” WRONG!
R.A. Dickey 8-13 era: 3.28 whip: 1.227 innings: 208.2 salary: 2.25 million 2011; (2012 4.25 million)
Jonathan Niese 11-11 era: 4.40 whip: 1.41 innings: 178 salary: $452,000 yr.
Dylan Gee 13-6 era: 4.43 whip: 1.37 innings: 160.2 salary: (?? 425,000 ??}
Chris Capuano 11-12 era: 4.55 whip: 1.36 innings: 180 salary: 1.5 million yr.
Mike Pelrey 7-13 era: 4.74 whip: 1.47 innings: 193.2 salary: 3.925 Million a yr.
Pelfrey has been tinkered WAY too much as a pro. Here’s a guy who had a wicked breaking ball in college. He was full over the top on his curve and hit mid 90′s on the gun with the heat. Give thanks to our resident idiot Peterson, who wants everyone to be a sinker ball pitcher. Pelfrey should have been groomed as the power guy he was in college. His fastball tails nicely, but they stopped him from using the overhand breaking ball. This current pitching coach is doing nothing for him either.
Pelfrey isn’t an ace, but he isn’t a bum either. This is an organizational flop featuring two dopes as pitching coaches. Pelfrey is the guy who loses unfortunately.
It may be helpful for the purpose of this discussion to compare Pefrey to other Met pitchers from the past to get a sense prospective.
Just off the top of My head I would say that Pefrey compares favorably t:o
Ron Darling, Craig Swan, Booby Jones, Pat Zachary, Steve Trachsel, etc..
And they were all expendable for better pitching.
And another thing before I log off… people don’t seem to appreciate what a pitcher consistently throwing 200+ inngs in a year means. Over the course of a season that is 6.2 innings a start.
9 innings – 6.1/3 innings = 2.2/3 innings remaining in a game.
That in itself is worth a base salary of 3+ million a year.
Why would a major league team be willing to pay a .500 pitcher with a 4.55era over 3 million dollars a year?? Gee. I don’t know, could it be because you know every time that pitcher takes the mound you know you will most likely be in the game, every game he pitches going into the 7th inning?
Can Jonathan Neise give us this? No.
Can Dillan Gee gives us this? No.
Can Chris Capuano give us this? No.
Can R.A. Dickey give us this? YES!
That is why the Mets are willing to pay R.A. Dickey 4 Million+ a year!
innings + potential consistent 15 game winner = Mike Pelfrey getting paid!
Only something like 43 starting pitchers throw 200+ innings in the major leagues last year. How many Major League starting pitchers are there, 140? give or take…
So out of 140 starting pitchers in the major leagues Mike Pelfrey was among the 40 pitchers who threw 200innings.
What good is throwing 200 innings if they aren’t good innings? I understand no pitcher throws 200 good innings, but throwing out upper 4′s to lower 5′s ERA for 200 innings is bad.
Just what I was going to say.
200 bad innings are 200 bad innings.
Imagine having Pelfrey, Lowe, and Lackey on same team as fans wanted when Lowe and Lackey were free agents.
I guess we should have kept Ollie Perez and Castillo. They gave us “innings” as a pitcher and 2nd baseman.
Bad innings are bad innings, hitting or pitching.