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• Mr North Jersey September 30, 2011 at 3:39 pm

  Will we ever get past this? Deal with it people Minaya is gone. Time to move on. Other than OmarFan who has always expressed that the firing of Minaya was wrong most everyone here agreed with the decision to fire Minaya.

  Let it go people.
  • alex68 September 30, 2011 at 3:41 pm

    i agree.. he was way over his head, what i don’t agree with, is that sandy alderson is getting a pass for the same sh** omar DID!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    • Mr North Jersey September 30, 2011 at 3:43 pm

      Fair enough if you want to say you think it is unfair that Alderson doesn’t get called out on x-y-z that is one thing but do you see that being expressed here Alex?
      • alex68 September 30, 2011 at 3:53 pm

        MNJ, he’s expressing how omar has been unfairly portrait as a gm, when this guy hasn’t won crap as a gm. again, imo he’s not here to build a winner, he’s here to save the wilpon some $. he’s already into motion signing byrdak to a cheap contract to be our lefty specialist, and last i checked, byrdak is just AWFUL… don’t give me numbers, i know what i am seeing!!!
        • Mr North Jersey September 30, 2011 at 4:12 pm

          Look, I know your view Alex and you know mine so no sense in repeating viewpoints you and I already know what they are and we know won’t change our opinions. My only concern as a Mets fan is what he (Alderson) does with the Mets over the next 4 to 5 years not what he did with another team. My opinion of Minaya is based on the 6 years he was our GM not on his career.

          This comparison of Alderson vs Minaya looking at their last 6 years said nothing about Omar being unfairly portrayed as a gm. If it did point it out to me and I will apologize.

          Go back and look at the archives of when Minaya was fired Alex. You will see that many agreed that after 6 years Minaya had to go. Other than OmarFan who has always passionately defended his view that Minaya should of never been fired I can’t recall anyone else saying the same.

          You may be proven to be right Alex about him being here to save the Wilpon’s money but I don’t see that yet. Let me know when the Mets are in the bottom 3rd in MLB in payroll and I may change my mind but I just don’t see it yet.

          In any case the facts are that like it or not Minaya is indeed gone and Alderson is here for the foreseeable future so for me I am focusing on the present and future and not the past. If in time Alderson fails I will be like you calling him out and wondering how much longer before the Mets replace him.
        • JoeSmith October 1, 2011 at 7:17 am

          don’t give me the numbers, I know what I am a seeing….

          What a great argument………….now if you take off the blinders you may actually see what really is going on.
        • METS62FAN October 1, 2011 at 10:46 am

          ALEX,Re;BYRDAK, I’M SEEING WHAT U ARE ONLY WITH DIFFERENT “VOICES” IN MY HEAD OF LATE AS INSTEAD OF ANALYSIS BY RON,KEITH & GARY, I’VE BEEN SUBJECTED TO THE OPPOSING BOOTH DENIZENS AS HIRED BY THE REDS & BRAVES, CETRTAINLY THAT MUST SOMEHOW SKEW WHAT OUR BRAINS ARE INTERPRETING. BTW, THE REDS’ ANNOUNCERS EXPLAINED TO THEIR AUDIENCE(ME) THAT A LH SPECIALIST IS USELESS Vs VOTTO AS HE’S LEARNED TO FEAST UPON THENM IN GERNERAL.
          NO HE;S NO FELICIANO BY ANY MEANS; BUT HE’S BETTER THAN AVG & SINCE 1.2M BUYS AVG IN TODAY’S MARKET BETTER THAN IS A DECENT ROI.

          BESIDES COMPARISONS OF MINAYA & ALDERSON ARE USELESS AS THEY WEREN’T PLAYING SUBJECTED TO THE SAME RULES. UNDER THE RESTRICTIONS ALDERSON ENCOUNTERED,NO WAY DOES THE 2005 NYM GM GET $$$ TO ADD PEDRO & BELTRAN TO IMPROVE THE ’04 71-91 RECORD TO ’05s 83-79 OR THE ADDITIONAL DELGADO $$$ TO KEEP THE MOMENTUM GOING TO THE 97-65 RECORD OF ’06.
          WHERE DO U ENVISION THE SUBSEQUENT RECORDS AFTER 2004′S 71-91 GOING WITH FINANCIAL CONSTRICTIONS THE SIZE OF THOSE WE’RE NOW EXPERIENCING & THE SIZE OF THOSE SET IN OAKLAND POST OWNER’S DEATH? WHILE $$$ DON’T NECESSARILY GUARANTEE A WINNING RECORD, THEY MOST CERTAINLY IMPROVE THE ATMOSPHERIC CONDITIONS TO ACCOMODATE IMPROVEMENTS RATRHER THAN FURTHER DECLINES WHEN EMPOWERING COMPETANT LEADERSHIP.
    • Bayonne Mets Fan September 30, 2011 at 3:54 pm

      Oh Alex but i have to correct Maniac on one thing,

      Craig Lerner wrote a blog earlier how the Mets 2011 season was a SUCCESS! Never mind the wins and losses because as I understand wins don’t matter to the saber crowd, am i correct?

      Ah, now I understand why Alderson never mentions the words win or winning to the fans because wins don’t matter to the saber geeks. It’s not an important stat.
      • alex68 September 30, 2011 at 3:58 pm

        i reply and i explain to him the difference, if he meant that they play hard then yes, but i told him how can a team that won 77 games be better than a 88 or 89 win team? if he meant in terms of not making the playoffs yeah, but not better.. this ppl wanna defend this team to no end because the record belongs to sandy. i am surprised the W-L is not pegged to omar minaya since ppl here ARE STILL blaming minaya for whatever was occurring to this team, when most of minaya’s players helped the team get way much better, i mean, could you have imagine a whole season of hu, eamus, thayer, boyer and carrasco??
        • Bayonne Mets Fan September 30, 2011 at 4:06 pm

          and don’t forget to mention Boof Bonser and Taylor Buholz.

          But hey, donal the parrot explained it all away in his attempt to correct me about those players he said:
          “But 5 of those players are not on the team anymore”

          Now let’s let the readership think about that response. Hilarious.

          This is a blog post on a Mets blog defending a Mets GM against an Oakland A’s GM
          Now you know what’s gonna happen next right? t agee is gonna come on this post which is on a Mets blog and defend the A’s GM and do his best to tear apart the Mets GM and all this while praising the Braves organization all year, every day almost while ripping the Mets organization, again almost everyday.

          It warms my heart to see some of his most recent diatribes being hidden due to very unpopular low comment ratings, and right after the Braves historic Collapse which, by the way, is NO DIFFERENT than the Mets 2 collapses. Both happened in baseball games on the field. Maybe people are finally getting sick and tired of reading this guy ripping the Mets organization every day and STILL giving props to the Braves organization if we need to read about it every single day on a Mets blog. And all written by a guy who uses Tommie Agee’s name as his monicker
          • t agee September 30, 2011 at 8:30 pm

            I don’t defend Billy Beane. I’m not a Beanehead. I’ve been very critical of his famed “moneyball” draft in 2002. I believe that Beane would rather swim in a small tank than compete with the big boys. I was just simply pointing out your intellectual dishonesty in claiming Minaya “won” something (1 Division title) when you’ve often times claimed Beane (5 Division titles) “never won anything.”

            There is also a huge difference in the Braves choke job compared to ours. The Braves obtained two free agent/big salary trade acquisition who underperformed or were other wise unavailable. Derick Lowe and Dan Uggla We brought in eight.

            Wagner choked away the 2006 NLCS, wasn’t available down the stretch in 2007 and out most of 2008. Pedro hardly pitched in 2007 and pitched like **** in 2008. Delgado had two great months, two mediocre months and two bad months in 2007 AND 2008. Alou played in 87 games in 2007 and 16 in 2008 and Castillo was really bad in 2008. Glavine gagged huge in 2007. Schowenweiss and Mota were horrendous both years.

            They got emergency starts from Delgado, Teheran, and Minor. We got emergency starts from Lawrence, Knight and Chan Ho Park.

            They brought up Vizcaino for the pen, we brought up Ayala.

            Their guys that choked are mostly all rookies who will be there for years to come and presumably better for it. Our guys who choked were all veterans we brought in who for the most part all left, and left us with nothing going forward.

            Their pitchers that got hurt were 25. Our pitchers who got hurt were 35-40.

            Our guys choked away our last chance, their guys choked away their first one.

            As different as night and day.

            But at least you learned how to spell Agee’s name. That’s some progress anyway. Gold star for you, it’s in the mail.
            • Bayonne Mets Fan September 30, 2011 at 8:41 pm

              I think anyone reading the imaginative, carefully selected GARBAGE that you posted here should solidify any doubts they had about you

              are an absolute DISGRACE.

              Excuse maker, second guesser, phoney, nut job, front runner, LIAR, spinner, out and out sick and idiotic story teller doesn’t begin to describe the LOUSE that you are. You should NOT be a fan here.

              Comparing choke jobs???????????????? You don’t even consider that aspect of all things being relative at all. You’re a SICKO, man
              • t agee September 30, 2011 at 9:15 pm

                See, this is what people are talking about when they say you never respond to the actual topic. Your response is either to talk about something they didn’t say or to call them names.

                But really what can you expect from someone who has numerous times called Steve Phillips the second best GM we ever had?
                • NJ stuck in TX September 30, 2011 at 9:56 pm

                  Agreed. Doesn’t stay on topic, attacks people personally, fights on opinion that very rarely uses facts and lives in a land H R Puffinstuff would be proud to have created.
                  • any October 1, 2011 at 8:39 am

                    And also a reason some posters just often stop reading the posts.
                  • t agee October 1, 2011 at 4:20 pm

                    And a big reason why many don’t even bother to leave a comment.
              • JoeSmith October 1, 2011 at 7:22 am

                Talk about disgrace……you have nothing to back up your weak argument so you resort to name calling.

                This is 2011, people are now allowed to have different opinions with out persecution.
            • OmarFan October 1, 2011 at 11:17 am

              Agee…You want to compare chokes. Forget the irrelevant BULLSHEEEEEEEEEEET you just posted. Here are some facts.

              1. Neither of Omar’s or Wren’s replacements for their upper echelon talents prevented the collapse.

              2. Injuries destroyed their ability to compete vs healthier squads.

              3. Minor league depth doesn’t solve major league injury problems to star players.

              That’s the bottom line. Wren’s strategy for formulating a playoff team didn’t work. They lost on the last day of the season just like Omar did.

              The final observation is both teams drove different model vehicles were but were too compromised to finish the race for the same exact reason. You’re STILL defending the Braves for their use of money, or non-use, in this matter. There’s no promise the Braves aren’t going to fail again in the future. You don’t judge a GM because a team’s best players were injured, Agee.

              By continuing to defend the Braves, you’re just making yourself look like an obsessed jack@ss, my man. Take off the internet GM cap you wear. It’s fantastic that you’re aware of who has been drafted, signed and blah blah blah over the years, but the Braves just proved the only way to secure a playoff spot is by staying healthy. The minor league system does NOT replace elite talent by way of emergency substitution.

              If anyone wants to blame Omar for 2007, 2008 to a degree 2009 by claiming he didn’t support the team with minor league talent, I recommend they print out their words, view this year’s Boston Red Sox and Atlanta Braves injury riddled squad’s collapse, then proceed to EAT your own printed out words with seasoning of your choice.
          • JoeSmith October 1, 2011 at 7:19 am

            “and don’t forget to mention Boof Bonser and Taylor Buholz.”

            There isn’t enough bandwidth to list all the horrendous signings of the previous administration, but Alderson signed Bonser…

            The difference is, when the people Alderson didn’t work he got rid of them immediately, Omar would have resigned them and given them all the money that should have gone to actual players.
    • JoeSmith October 1, 2011 at 10:33 am

      For the 434,205,982,765th time, HE IS NOT GETTING A PASS.

      Anyone with ONE brain cell knows that when you are here for 5 mins, have NO monetary flexibility, have MILLIONS wasted on the books from bums signed previously, you’re not exactly going to rock the off season world.
  • kevin September 30, 2011 at 3:53 pm

    Get past what, comparing two gm’s records? Do we have your permission to compare players records or is that off base too?
  • OmarFan September 30, 2011 at 7:54 pm

    Sorry, there’s no letting go when the organization makes a TERRIBLE mistake. It shows ownership really isn’t interested in winning. It’s more interested in putting fannies in the seats @ Citi.

    Omar was an excellent GM. He gets hit over the head for things that have nothing to do with baseball. Since when has communicating with the media been important? I guess it is when the media is looking for something fatally wrong with a GM who doesn’t fit their profile. Going after a GM, by attacking his right hand man years after the incident in the middle of his worst season as Met GM, is the type of underhanded stupidity ownership should ignore. And why wasn’t it ignored? It gave the Wilpons a chance to cater to the media, which they seem to worry about entirely too much. That opens the door to everything from corruption to retardation.

    You want to let it go? We let go a GM that turned this team into a respectable team, instead of the clown show were on the verge of becoming.
    • JoeSmith October 1, 2011 at 10:39 am

      “Omar was an excellent GM”

      yes if you think failure equates excellence.

      “We let go a GM that turned this team into a respectable team”

      YEAH, this team was SO respected after 07, 08, 09 and 10.
      • OmarFan October 1, 2011 at 11:21 am

        The Mets started to fail under Omar after the checkbook was taken away. Manny in 2008 secures us a postseason visit.

        Nothing would have prevented the 2009 injury debacle.

        Playing cheap is why Bay is in LF.

        Listen here, STUPID. If you wouldn’t trade this year’s BULLSHEEEEET team for 07 and 08, you need to open a window and take in some much needed air.
        • JoeSmith October 1, 2011 at 2:38 pm

          More name calling tough guy huh?
      • METS62FAN October 2, 2011 at 10:16 am

        JOE, IN FAIRNESS TO ALL PARTIES. U CERTAINLY NEED TO EVALUATE THE RAW MATERIALS ie PLAYERS,PROSPECTS,DIVISIONAL COMPETITION,PAYROLL, OWNERSHIP TO TRULY EVALUATE A GM”s JOB PERFORMANCE.

        FOR INSTANCE ABSOLUTELY NO GM ALIVE OR WHO EVER LIVED COULD HAVE TAKEN THOSE RAW MATERIALS, EVIDENT IN FLUSHING IN 2004 & CONSTRUCT A CONTENDING TEAM IN 2005, NO ONE ACXTUALLY DID; BUT THAT’S A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF MY PARTICULAR POINT REGARDING ALDERSON THIS SEASON, SIMILARLY GIVEN THOSE SAME MATERIALS FROM 2010, THE CAPABILITY OF CONSTRUCTING A 2011 PLAYOFF CONTENDER BY ANYONE WAS NIHL; BUT LOOK HOW CLOSE HE CAME. CERTAINLY WE ALL CAN CITE POSSIBLE MOVES WE WANTED LAST OFFSEASON THAT WOULD HAVE ENSURED A BETTER , CLOSER OUTCOME; HOWEVER REFER BACK TO THE “OWNERSHIP & PAYROLL ITEMS IN YOUR “MUST CONSIDER” AGENDA.
        WHILE THERE IS MUCH TO SAY THAT DESPITE BOTH MINAYA & ALDERSON STEERING THE IDENTICALLY “NAMED” MLB FLAGSHIP, NY METS, IT’S AT THE NAME & PLACE OF ORIGIN, CITIFIELD, WHERE THE SIMILARITIES END. BOTH REPORTED TO THE SAME OWNERS; HOWEVER OWNERSHIP’S AGENDA & PRIORITIES HAD BECOME INCOMPARABLE AS MINAYA TOILED UNDER THE EDICT DEMANDING MEANINGFUL GAMES REGARDLESS OF COST CONTAINED UNDER THE LUXURY TAX CAP ENSURING A TOP 5 PAYROLL POSITION BE MAINTAINED. ALDERSON’S MARCHING ORDERS DEMANDED DRACONIAN SPENDING CUTS UNDER WHICH HE WAS TO PRESENT AS RESPECTABLE A RECORD AS POSSIBLE WITH NO CONSIDERATION FOR MEANINGFUL OR CONTENTION. CERTIFYING AS QUICK AN EXIT FROM PAYROLL LEASDERSHIP AS TO BE ACCOMIDATED WITHIN THE CBA RULES.
        AS SUCH, IT’S MY CONTENTION THAT BOTH MEN ACTUALLY EXCEEDED OWNERSHIP’S MANDATES, WHILE OMAR’S DISMISSAL WAS NECESSITATED MORE BY HIS SUPERIOR’S, JEFF’S, EGO THAN BY STANDINGS PLACEMENT ALBEIT, DESPITE COLLAPSES BEING FAN HEARTBREAKS, THE FACT IS MINAYA SUPPLIED, ON THE FIELD, A ROSTER CAPABLE OF CREATING SUCH LATE LEADS UNFORTUNATELY SQUANDERED BY INJURY MISFORTUNE AND INCOMPETANT, PASNICED FIELD LEADERSHIP(WILLIE & JERRY).
        ANY COMPARISONS OF GMs SHOULD NOT BE ALDERSON’S ENTIRE TENURE(OAK+NY) TO MINAYA’S NYM(ONLY) IN TRUER FASHION THE MINAYA RECORD OF 233-253 FROM ’02-’04 WITH EXPOS SHOULD BE CONSIDERED AGAINST THAT ALDERSON CONFIGURATION. NO?

        IT’S APPARENT THAT ONE OF THE MAJOE CAUSES FOR ’07 & ’08 WAS LACK OF TALENT DEPTH TO SUSTAIN EARLIER WINNING TREND AS KEY “PITCHING” VETS WENT DOWN IN PAIN & FLAMES. THE GROSS NEGLIGENCE OF OWNERSHIP BY IGNORING DEVELOPMENT INVESTMENT, ALLOWING THEIR LONGEST TENURED GM(PHILLIPS, 7 YRS, TO FOCUS PRIMARILY ON MOST SIGNABLE ‘ARMS’ NOT MOST TALENTED ARMS, THEN HIRING A C.O.O. SPECIAL PITCHING ASSISTANT, PERTERSON, TO EVALUATE SAID PITCHING STOCKPILE AND BY WEEDING THROUGH IT UNMERCILESSLY, NEGATING YEARS OF DRAFT SELECTIONS INEPT AS THEY WERE WITH CONSIDERABLE COLLATERAL DAMAGE AS KAZMIR, BELL, BANNISTER WERE AMONG THOSE WEEDED OUT BY PETERSON AS JEFF SPECIAL ASSISTANT aka PITCHING GURU OR “PITCHING GM”; RELEGATING PHILLIP’S SUCCESSOR TO RELIANCE ON RETREAD WARHORSES OF LIMITED CAPABILITIES & WELL PUBLICIZED WEAKNESSES, MOTA,SOSA et al.
        WHILE IT’S APPARENTLY EASY TO JUDGE THE SUCCESS OR FAILURE OF OUR “BELOVED” FRANCHISE BY EACH SEASON’S STANDINGS THE FORENSIC IDENTIFICATION OF COD IS MUCH MORE DIFFICULT & REQUIRES CONSIDERABLY MORE RESEARCH THAN MERELY WATCHING EACH GAME’S. PLAY BY PLAY.
        FEW REALIZE THE INSIPID NATURE OF JEFF’S INTOLERABLE INCOMPETANCY, IN 2002, WITH MERELY 1 YR OF BASEBALL RELATED EXPERIENCE ADDED TO HIS RECENTLY EARNED ASSOCIATES BUSINESS DEGREE AWARDED BY PALM BEACH COMMUNITY COLLEGE JEFF WILPON WAS SELECTERD TO ULTIMATTELY MANAGE OUR DREAMS & HOPES IN FLUSHING. THIS ‘NOVICE’ EXECUTIVE CONTRIVED TO CAMOFLAUGE HIS “FINGERPRINTS” ON DECISIONS BY DELIBERATELY OBFISCATING THE ENTIRE FRONTOFFICE DECISION PROCESS BY PROMULGATING WHAT HE REFERRED TO AS AN “OPEN DECISION ENVIRONEMENT” WHEREBY REGARDLESS OF THE NATURE OF YOUR NYM EXPERIENCE, YOU WERE GRANTED AN EQUAL CONSIDERATION TO EVALUATE ANY ISSUE REQUIRING A DECISION. A METHODOLOGY ONCE COMPARED BY BILL MADDEN, HOF, TO A “FRAT HOUSE DECISION ENVIRONEMENT”
        IMO, SINCE 2002, HOLDING ANY EMPLOYEE OF THE NYM ACCOUNTABLE FOR THE RESULT IS EQUIVILENT TO BLAMING THE VEHICLE FOR VEHICULAR HOMICIDE. AS ULTIMATELY JEFF’S PRINTS ARE ON THE WEAPON WE’VE BEEN PUNISHED WITH & THAT PRIMARY WEAPON IS INCOMPETANCY!.
        I DISTINCTLY RECALL EARLY IN JEFF’S “REIGN OF ERROR” AN INTERVIEW GRANTED BY HIM WHEREBY HE COMPLAINED ON END ABOUT HIS PERCEPTION OF “SOFTNESS & MALINGERING” ON THE TEAM TRACED BACK TO TOO MANY, IN HIS ESTIMATION, D/L STINTS & NOT ENOUGH “PLAYING WITH/THROUGH INJURY; LONG AFTER THOSE WORDS HAVE FADED FROM MOST MEMORIES WE’RE SUDENLY FACE TO FACE WITH AN ABNORMAL RECORD OF MINOR INJURY TURNED MAJOR. IT’S EQUALLY INTERESTING AS TO HOW IT WAS JEFF WHO SELECTED THOSE ON HIS INVESTIGATIVE PANEL OF SCCALLED EXPERTS TO DERIVE A SOLUTION & REPORT DIRECTLY BACK TO HIM, ALONE, IS THERE A DIRECT, PROVABLE CORRELATION? I DON’T KNOW; BUT THE COINCIDENCE ID FRIGHTENING, NO? IN LIGHT OF THIS IS ANYONE SHOCKED THE PREVENTIO PROGRAM DID LITTLE TO EFFECT DAVIS/WRIGHT?
        ONE OF THE MOST FREQUENTLY CITED ISSUES EARLY IN THE STERLING REGIME WAS THE WEILDING OF TOO MUCH INFLUENCE BY CERTAIN VETERAN PLAYERS WITHIN THE ORGANIZATION WITH REPORTS SURFACING OF WEEKEND BBQ “FAMILY” OUTINGS @ JEFFREY’S PLACE, RUMORED TO BE IN ATTENDANCE LIETER,FRANCO,GLAVINE AMONG OTHERS.(ONE SUPPOSED TOPIC, KAZMIR)
        THE INCESSANT UNDERMININGS CREATED BY THE LIKES OF BERNAZARD WERE ALSO REVEALED TO HAVE BLOSSOMED SHORTLY AFTER A “CLOSENESS” HAD DEVELOPED BETWEEN JEFF & TONY AS SURFACED & REPORTED DURING THE WILLIE FIRING ESCAPADE.
        THE INVOLVEMENT OF JEFF APPEARS TO HAVE BEEN OVERLOOKED AS MINAYA WAS PERMITTED TO FIRE AN EMPLOYEE THAT HAD NEVER REPORTED TO HIM DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY, PETERSON, JEFF’S PERSONALLY HIRED SPECIAL ASSISTANT AS A QUID PRO QUO FOR WILLIE’S HEAD ON THE PLATTER.
        JUST AS CAESAR’S WIFE WARNED HER SPOUSE ABOUT THE ‘IDES’ SO DID NELSON DOUBLEDAY FORWARN ALL OF NY ABOUT JEFF.
  • Met Maniac October 1, 2011 at 12:14 pm

    Oh I see. It’s okay to make posts on your blog comparing the two, but not here? I didnt see you leave a comment to Rusty last week or to Dirty Sanschez 3 weeks ago when he wrote

    Year two of the Omar Minaya regime saw the Mets win their division and were a virtual lock for the world series. I sincerely doubt year two of the Sandy era will see the same success and it will be interesting how the Met fans will deal with that.

    http://realdirtymets.com/2011/09/05/a-couple-of-loose-ends/

    Or maybe it’s not Minaya/Alderson – a simple comparison of records which is all I posted in a fun parody. Maybe you just hoped to instigate me into a flame war? No thanks, I’ll pass and take the high road.
    • Mr North Jersey October 1, 2011 at 12:24 pm

      Yea that was it. I’m busted you got me.

      smh
    • t agee October 1, 2011 at 1:05 pm

      To me it’s not about how quickly we can win a Division, it’s about how many we can win. Granted even the best teams can fall short but that’s what the Wild Cards for. Even that you can fall short on once in a while as well but all told there really shouldn’t be any reason that we can’t wind 5 Divisions and 5 wild cards over a 15 year period.

      Teams like the NYY, Boston, Atlanta, St. Louis, consider missing the playoffs to be terrible years. We count them among our best one’s. 1985, 1987, 1990, 1998, 2007 and 2008 are among the best years we’ve had in recent seasons. Those should be among the worst one’s. Occasionally out of it most of the year and occasionally just falling short but more often than not, 11 wins away from winning it all on October 1st.

      If we don’t win a Division (or wild card) in 2012 but do go on to to make the postseason 2 times out of 3 over an extended period of time that would be far better to me than winning it, missing by one game, missing again by one game and then crashing for 2-4 years.

      Comparing the NL East landscape between 2006 and 2012 is really just a folly anyway. Do you expect that Philly will not get over .500 for good until mid August? That Atlanta will be below .500 from early June on? That Washington will lose more than 90 games? That Florida will never be above .500?

      Even if we were to cash out and put all our chips into winning in 2012 it would still be the longest of long shots and followed in short order with the inevitable crash. Say for example we were to trade Familia, Gorski and Flores for Felix Hernandez and Wheeler, Puello, Lagares for Shields and signed K-Rod and Reyes this off season, could we win the title or wild card? Sure we could, but at what cost to us having a chance to win the Division or Wild Card every year?
• alex68 September 30, 2011 at 3:40 pm

  MANIAC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! in spanish the song used to go:

  “es pinky, es pinky y cerebro bro bro bro bro!!!!!!!!!!!!”
• Bayonne Mets Fan September 30, 2011 at 3:43 pm

  Great job, Maniac. No wonder Alderson never talks about winning to the fans.
• kevin September 30, 2011 at 3:51 pm

  Imagine how much more wider the gap would have been without the historic injuries?
  • alex68 September 30, 2011 at 3:54 pm

    kevin, i believe that in 2009. the new york mets were gonna be the champions if not for a barage of injuries. but, that’s in the past, and from a 77 win team this year, it gonna look more like a 70 win team NEXT year.
    • JoeSmith October 1, 2011 at 10:32 am

      You only believe that for 09. You don’t think losing Santana, Davis for the year, Reyes and Wright for a good chunk of the year in 11 had any impact?
      • OmarFan October 1, 2011 at 11:23 am

        Had the Mets stayed healthy in 2011, Alderson would have been credited for PIGGYBACKING his way to the playoffs using Omar Minaya’s players.

        You do realize that, right dopey?
• Brandon Butler September 30, 2011 at 3:56 pm

  Great post Maniac. I never expected though that anyone would use Pink and the Brain as an example.
  • Met Maniac October 1, 2011 at 12:18 pm

    Wow, a MMO writer actually complimenting a contribution from one of their most dedicated readers, commenters and financial supporters? I’m impressed, thanks Brandon, you got a lot of class. Usually your editor jessep prefers to dismantle and blow up anything somebody contributes on this site.
• acoustic567 September 30, 2011 at 4:16 pm

  What happens if we factor in payroll?
  • Bayonne Mets Fan September 30, 2011 at 4:21 pm

    There’s no wing in the Hall Of Fame for people who save the most money.

    F*** the payroll!!!!!!

    We’re talking about winning ballgames here. Unbelievable what people concern themselves with now. What the HELL does it matter how much money you have when you win or lose.
    • Donal September 30, 2011 at 4:36 pm

      Where is the wing for spending money?
      • NJstuckinTX September 30, 2011 at 6:20 pm

        Solid Retort.
    • jessep September 30, 2011 at 7:27 pm

      average payroll in the playoffs in 2011 is roughly $107 mil.

      It’s not about over spending the competition, it’s about out thinking and spending more wisely.

      Boston spent spent spent this off-season, how’d that work for them?
      • OmarFan September 30, 2011 at 7:57 pm

        Hey, FOOL! Maybe the Braves would have made the playoffs if they spent some MORE money, instead of depending on ROOKIES and borderline rookies. Take your penny-pinching SABERBULLSHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEET talk somewhere else, you animal.
        • jessep September 30, 2011 at 9:10 pm

          Oh now the Braves are a sabermetric/moneyball franchise?
          • any October 1, 2011 at 8:46 am

            they are probably the exact opposite, and exactly the type of “old school” operation the anti-saber, Omar was railroaded crowd wants. Built on scouting, player development, etc.

            Ignoring the fact that “the core” has no consistent definition of “moneyball” (seems to vary between having a low payroll, trying to save money instead of winning, and worshiping OBP over every other trait), where are the players that fit any of it?

            Hell, the Braves spent a lot of money on Dan Uggla. if that isn’t the opposite of a moneyball based move, nothing is!
          • OmarFan October 1, 2011 at 11:25 am

            They’re close to your beloved SABERBULLSHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEET than Omar’s spend by getting the best players on the market strategy that WORKED in Omar’s first two years. Moneyball gets you POS players like Steve Swisher.
            • JoeSmith October 1, 2011 at 2:40 pm

              Like Moises Alou?
  • BTF September 30, 2011 at 4:26 pm

    Only because I want to see where you go with this, dont know the parolls of the post, but here’s Yankees $203MM and Rays $42MM, both in post season. Make your point.
    • OmarFan September 30, 2011 at 7:58 pm

      Yeah, when the Yankees face the Rays, they’re going to wipe themselves off inside the Ray’s ears.
      • JoeSmith October 1, 2011 at 10:41 am

        So now you’re kiss the Yankees butts….interesting……yet someone talks about the Braves “model” and you call them Braves fans…

        Why am I not shocked….
        • OmarFan October 1, 2011 at 11:28 am

          Wrong, STUPID. The Yankees are loaded compared to the Rays. I’m talking talent on the field, not baseball philosophy here. Unless you’re really IGNORANT to believe the Rays have a chance @ beating the Yankees.
          • JoeSmith October 1, 2011 at 2:41 pm

            You are not capable of talking baseball philosophy, you first have to know something about the game.

            Omar was a great GM – ’nuff said……

            Ignorance runs amok
            • OmarFan October 1, 2011 at 3:41 pm

              As STUPID as you are, I’m shocked you know what the definition of “philosophy” even is…SMH
• Donal September 30, 2011 at 4:48 pm

  Are you saying that the situation Alderson had starting 1995 is the same as the situation Minaya had in 2005?

  and why are you emphasizing the last 6 years of Alderson’s tenure as GM of the A’s? what about the 7 prior to that?
• jessep September 30, 2011 at 7:23 pm

  This topic gets lamer and lamer. Especially when the people writing it did the naked celebration dance when Minaya was finally fired.

  You don’t even represent Alderson’s resume properly.

  96-66, 84-78, 103-59, 99-63, 104-58
  3 World Series apperances, 4 LCS appearances

  How come the time he spent as CEO for San Diego suddenly doesn’t count either?
  82-80, 88-74, 89-74? 2 Division Titles?

  How come those don’t count? Because they don’t fit your agenda?
  • Original Mets Fan September 30, 2011 at 8:01 pm

    Wouldn’t his years as CEO of the Padres be better suited to be compared to Fred Wilpon? I thought Kevin Towers was the GM in San Diego?
    • jessep September 30, 2011 at 9:13 pm

      Original Mets Fan:

      “What exactly are the daily responsibilities of your current position, and is there an off-season for you?” (asked to Alderson while CEO of Padres)

      “No, there’s really not an off-season. During the season we have a game virtually every day… so there are always things going on. My job during the season is to oversee day-to-day activity and be responsive to people who need some direction, and provide a public face for the team and be able to deal with whatever positives or negatives [laughs] eventuate from time to time… I view the regular season sort of as a maintenance period… you build the house in the off-season, you maintain it during the season.

      In the off-season we do budgets, we do all of our player analysis, and we try to put things together both on the field and on the financial side, the business side — marketing, that sort of thing. [There are] a lot of meetings in the off-season, but there are meetings during the year, so it’s pretty much a year-round responsibility. People used to think that it was a nine-month [job]… and I realized it was a 12-month proposition when some of the beat writers started taking their vacations during the season because there was so much going on in the off-season and they didn’t want to miss anything.”

      I mean if this guy gets no credit for the Padres when he was there, I don’t really think there is a conversation worth having because it’s all about an agenda to fit a point of view.
      • Bayonne Mets Fan September 30, 2011 at 9:15 pm

        I would say Omar Minaya was more hands on with his team as Assistant GM of the Mets during their 99-00 post season berths than any CEO would be.
  • OmarFan September 30, 2011 at 8:12 pm

    Hey, STUPID! I will answer that. The same way Alderson will PIGGYBACK Omar’s kids here is the same way he PIGGYBACKED the kids from the Kevin Tower’s drafts. Kevin Towers was the man in charge! He had NOTHING to do with the Padres success. That credit goes to Kevin Towers. And Sandy Alderson was in charge of those TRASH A’s teams before be stepped down.

    Moneyball is such a scam. If you can’t sign your own free agents, eventually you’re destined to fail. What good is drafting well when your studs walk right out the door? Draft picks don’t make up for star players walking out the door. Notice the A’s have always been poor on the IFA front? You cannot compete unless you procure elite talent from the IFA market.
  • Bayonne Mets Fan September 30, 2011 at 8:27 pm

    You’re the one that keeps getting lamer and lamer. Okay, you want to credit any success San Diego had to their CEO? Fine, then credit Omar Minaya, who was Assistant GM of the Mets during the 1998-2001 runs – 2 post season appearances during that time.

    And who’s to say that Omar Minaya wasn’t more hands on to the Mets success of the 99-00 seasons than Alderson was to the Padre’s success as CEO?
    • jessep September 30, 2011 at 9:14 pm

      So you believe a man who is in charge of the day to day operations of a major league baseball is the same responsibility as an Assistant GM?

      It’s amazing to me that you believe what you’re saying.
      • Bayonne Mets Fan September 30, 2011 at 9:19 pm

        You have NO PROOF how much Omar Minaya was involved and you have NO PROOF how much a CEO was involved. You bet your ass i believe in what i’m saying.

        But then again anything coming from a guy who wrote a post about David Wright and his dramatic fielder’s choices and HRs that made losing games closer as clutch or big hits has to be taken with a grain of rock salt
        • NJ stuck in TX September 30, 2011 at 9:58 pm

          You’ve gone from annoying me to making me chuckle. Thanks holmes.
          • any October 1, 2011 at 8:52 am

            Frankly, this site tex has so little intelligent Mets or BB related discussion left, the only reason for even reading the comment sections is to see what nonsense the “core” comes up with next.

            Kind of like the William Hung auditions on American idol that they put in for comedic relief. So bad, you just have to watch!
            • NJ stuck in TX October 1, 2011 at 11:47 am

              Pretty much.
        • jessep September 30, 2011 at 9:28 pm

          Uhh ok. Then I now believe John Ricco is the reason why Omar had success as the GM of the Mets. You have no proof that I am wrong.

          I’m also going to give Thad Levine the credit for the Rangers. Just because you have no proof.
          • Bayonne Mets Fan September 30, 2011 at 9:31 pm

            yeah, everybody’s involvement is the same and should be painted with one broad brush. We all know those other guys you pulled out of your a…er hat have potential GM written all over them
  • Metsie September 30, 2011 at 9:32 pm

    “How come those don’t count? Because they don’t fit your agenda?”
    Because he wasn’t the GM?
    • jessep September 30, 2011 at 9:36 pm

      So when the man himself describes part of his job as CEO as

      “we do all of our player analysis, and we try to put things together both on the field and on the financial side, the business side — marketing, that sort of thing.”

      You see that as not enough reason to give him ANY CREDIT for San Diego’s record while he was employed there? Why not? Because if we did give him credit, this article can’t be written because the point is lost.
      • Bayonne Mets Fan September 30, 2011 at 9:50 pm

        If there was a published quote somewhere online by Omar Minaya talking about his job description and what he did when he was Assistant GM I would be more than happy to put it out here.

        And because you found a quote of Sandy talking about himself during his time in SD does not mean he was any less or more hands on than Omar Minaya was as assistant GM of Mets.
        • Alex in CT September 30, 2011 at 10:08 pm

          You might like this article. It’s about the players and manager of the Padres who were concerned that when Alderson became CEO the focus shifted away from winning.

          The Padres, three games behind the Dodgers in the National League West entering Monday, have a 1½-game lead in the wild-card race. But the fate of the GM-manager tandem doesn’t necessarily ride on making the playoffs a second year in a row.

          The hiring of former Dodgers general manager Paul DePodesta in July fueled speculation that Sandy Alderson, the Padres’ second-year chief executive officer, wanted his own general manager.

          There has been unrest in the Padres’ clubhouse. Players have speculated whether upper management even wants them to win, making it easier to fire Towers and Bochy.

          “We don’t really know what’s going on,” says Padres outfielder Dave Roberts. “Sometimes you get the feeling that not everybody in the front office is on the same page with decisions. So we, as players, get caught in the middle.”

          Bochy was enraged during a trip to Washington, just before the MLB All-Star break, when asked by a front-office official why he was continuing to play Castilla. Bochy relayed that Castilla was his best option and he would continue to play him. If they didn’t like it, Bochy said, “Get rid of me or get rid of Vinny. Your choice.”

          Castilla was released 10 days later. The clubhouse was in an uproar, Bochy says, because Castilla was popular, a veteran presence.

          “It didn’t make sense to any of us,” says Padres veteran utilityman Eric Young, who also was released in July. “It was very disappointing. Vinny was much loved there. They tried to explain the move by saying they were going to get a third baseman like Morgan Ensberg (of Houston) or somebody. … But then they went and got Todd Walker. You kidding me? Nothing against Todd, but he hasn’t played third base in nine years.

          “It’s sad because I had such a great experience there. But from things you hear, those guys might have to get to the World Series just for (Bochy and Towers) to keep their jobs.”

          For the past 11 years, Towers and Bochy have been synonymous with Padres baseball. They are the second-longest active manager/general-manager tandem in baseball, behind John Schuerholz and Bobby Cox in Atlanta.

          Their success and failure have been linked together, from winning the NL West Division in 1996 to reaching the World Series in 1998 to losing 194 games combined in 2002-03 to this year’s 70-66 roller-coaster season.

          “They have the respect of everyone in baseball,” says New York Yankees general manager Brian Cashman. “People talk about what a good relationship that Joe (Torre) and I have, but I don’t think anyone in the game has a stronger relationship than those two. They’ve done a great job there.”

          http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/nl/padres/2006-09-04-cover_x.htm
          • Bayonne Mets Fan September 30, 2011 at 10:33 pm

            Great find, Alex. This is evidence that maybe Alderson could have even had a negative affect on the Padres organization.

            Jessep posted a quote by Alderson about his job description.
            This is an actual story by the people involved that indicated Alderson could have HURT the Padres.
        • jessep September 30, 2011 at 10:02 pm

          This is hilarious. I’m sorry. You’re trying to give a guy credit as Asst. GM only because your argument loses its merit if you do so.

          Any rational person knows that a CEO and a GM have more of a role with an organization than an Asst. GM. You denying that is just proof you can’t admit you’re wrong.
          • Bayonne Mets Fan September 30, 2011 at 10:29 pm

            No kidding, everybody knows that a CEO and GM have more of a role than an Asst. GM. What is wrong with you? But that’s not the topic.

            I don’t care if i’m wrong but i don’t see where i am here or where – RELATIVELY SPEAKING – that Sandy Alderson helped his club any more or less than Omar Minaya helped his in their respective roles. I don’t hear about club CEOs very often unless of course one stands out. Omar happened to stand out as a Mets Asst. GM back in the day and everybody knew he was a future GM so Omar’s case is not the same as other Assistant GMs. Some may have just been had less of a role due to the reputation of the guy they worked with. It just so happens Omar Minaya had more of a role working with Steve Phillips so yes he COULD have been more instrumental to the Mets success back then than Alderson was to SD as a CEO.

            You have no proof either way.
            • NJ stuck in TX September 30, 2011 at 10:32 pm

              Neither do you.
              • Bayonne Mets Fan September 30, 2011 at 10:35 pm

                You’re right, I don’t. But Alex in CT does.
            • any October 1, 2011 at 8:55 am

              most likely the only reason you were familiar with Omar when he was an assistant GM was because he was with the Mets.

              Lots of other teams have Omars in the FO that you have probably never heard of, or maybe only if the name popped up when the GM search was going on, that are just as likely to have future GM written all over them.
              • Bayonne Mets Fan October 1, 2011 at 12:18 pm

                That’s all well and good but we’re talking about Omar’s relevance to the Mets when he was Asst. GM to Sandy’s relevance to SD when he was CEO.

                We’re not talking about other GMs. And before the next time you come here and arrogantly accuse the intelligence of the site in decline first understand the topics correctly.
  • Alex in CT September 30, 2011 at 9:40 pm

    You don’t even represent Alderson’s resume properly.

    I’m pretty sure this was not a comparison of resumes. Seems like a look at the last six years – sort of a what have you done for me lately kind of deal.

    In Boston, nobody cares that Francona won two world series in the last decade, they called it splitsville because he hasnt made the playoffs in last two years and that city demands a winner.
    • NJ stuck in TX September 30, 2011 at 9:59 pm

      Good post.
  • Met Maniac October 1, 2011 at 11:56 am

    If it isn’t my favorite little fangirl, jessep. Going crazy as always whenever anything remotely positive appears on Omar Minaya, Jose Reyes, Carlos Beltran or K-Rod since spring training. Even in a post that merely shows the last six years of stats and facts and hardly any opinion, my favorite little fangirl is quick to vomit all over the post and get his panties in a bunch. Whaaa, whaaaa, whaaa, Met Maniac made me qwai again, lol. What is it about those four people that you hate so much anyway? I think it’s hilarious how I can crawl under your skin and get you to act like a little girlie-man whenever I contribute something. You are a riot!
• K Maxx September 30, 2011 at 9:21 pm

  Why is everyone ignoring the 500 pound gorilla in the room? Wow in the last six years Sandy has sucked big time. This is our savior?
  • Jorge September 30, 2011 at 11:09 pm

    Who EVER called him the savior……

    I love the people defending FAILURE

    and are assuming FAILURE of someone that hasn’t been with THIS organization 12 months yet.

    Sickening
    • OmarFan October 1, 2011 at 11:55 am

      6 years running for under .500 teams run by Alderson.

      Add #7, 8 and 9 if the Mets don’t re-sign Jose Reyes.
    • Vinny B October 2, 2011 at 11:44 am

      Omar “the failure” has a higher winning percentage in his career as a GM than Alderson.

      In 16 seasons as a GM, Alderson has only had 5 winning seasons, while Omar with the Mets had 4 winning seasons, in only SIX years.

      Sorry, I’m not thrilled with having a GM, who’s only success happend almost TWENTY YEARS AGO, and has had only five winnnig seasons in 16 years – The last time he had a team with a winning record was in 1992! Just to give you an idea of how long ago that is, the Mets 1st round pick this year wasn’t even born yet in 1992.
      • Metsie October 2, 2011 at 12:29 pm

        What is even more alarming regarding the perceptions between Omar and Sandy is look at what the two did when MONEY was a limitation for both and FAs could not be signed due to budget restrictions.

        Omar in Montreal vs Sandy at Oakland post 1995 (year Moneyball was invented)

        Its funny how Sandy gets credit for Moneyball
        yet he had a .449 WinPct at Oakland from the years 95-97 with a Minor League system that was all his and had been using many of the Sabers moneyball likes to pick talent based on and
        Omar had a .479 WinPct with an inherited MiL system and the same NO MONEY for FA talent to spend.

        But they wrote a book about Sandy not Omar!
        When Omar showed he was much better when left with a similar money position and none of his own selected talent to have success with!
• OmarFan October 1, 2011 at 11:52 am

  I find it amazing how a guy with no baseball experience is being championed as a ‘great baseball man’. Anyone who thinks a guy like Sandy Alderson is a better GM than a guy who actually played the game (Gillick, Beane and Omar for example) is kidding themselves. Depodesta isn’t exactly a player either. He played for Harvard (SMH) which is the equivalent of playing on a little league team. These men are products of what is called “shining” in corporate America. They’re people who shine their degrees but have little to no experience on how to operate a business. Doesn’t matter, because most corporate jobs are handed to people for academic merit instead of actual work experience. It’s one of the reasons this country is headed down the toilet, but that’s another argument for another subject.

  The whole point is Alderson isn’t self-sufficient. In the Met organization, he will relay on players Omar drafted from 2005 on to base his success on over the next 3 years, if he lasts that long, much like he did with the Oakland A’s. He is the original stathead GM. His skill isn’t in scouting, like most successful GMs start off in. He’s not a bench coach. He’s not basing his talent measuring abilities against his own talent when he played. He’s a corporate employee who has his WW2 experience and his college degree to impress upon his fellow college graduate owner. And since most owners never played a sport, this man fits their persona.

  We can all figure out that Alderson is more the corporate nerd than a jock with an eye for talent. I suggest if you stick Omar, Gillick and Alderson on a field in Venezuela and ask them to pick out the kids who will come future All-Stars, Alderson will pick the kid who will be selling hot dogs in the stands.

  Alderson depends on his subservient to procure talent. It’s the #1 reason Alderson and Depodesta have SUCKED when it came to IFAS. His subservients are people like Depodesta and Beane. Beane is a cheapo GM. He can’t spend, so he sticks to what he does best and that’s draft college kids who will come up quickly. It’s the cheap way of building a team, where IFAS require more signings at lesser dollar amounts, but eventually turn out to be a larger cash investment. The A’s never developed a camp in these IFA gold mines either, so I can’t kill him for that.
  • TruFan October 1, 2011 at 2:43 pm

    Since Andrew Friedman never played pro baseball and came from a finance background, does that mean that he did some sort of voodoo magic to get the Rays in the playoffs in 3 of the 6 seasons with one of the lowest payrolls in MLB since becoming GM of the Rays?

    And I’m guessing you believe that McGwire, Eric Chavez, Tim Hudson, Jason Giambi, Ramon Hernandez, and Miguel Tejada were terrible draft picks/amateur signings compared to what Minaya acquired here? It must mean that those guys will be selling hot dogs real soon right?

    Yeah, the players Omar drafted that Alderson “relay” on sure did great this season to help the Mets win the division. Fantastic job Omar! .. Oh wait…
    • Bayonne Mets Fan October 1, 2011 at 2:55 pm

      So Andrew Friedman got the Rays into the Playoffs, huh? Yeah they were singing his praises during the clubhouse celebration – Hail to the Finance King without him we’re not here.

      As for this season you got it backwards. Thank GOD for Omar’s players otherwise Alderson’s team would have been in WORST shape. Now I KNOW you heard Terry Collins say the other day that had he JUST ONCE had the chance to field an entire team without injuries this year it may have been a different story. Not ONCE did he get a chance to play with his team at full strength.
      • Bayonne Mets Fan October 1, 2011 at 3:37 pm

        I don’t want to make that sound like I’m taking anything away from Andrew Friedman because obviously he’s doing a good job so far but to cite his financial background as one of the reasons for the success of play on the field is a stretch
        • OmarFan October 1, 2011 at 4:06 pm

          lmao Bayonne… These people are so STUPID, they don’t bother checking backgrounds to see where these GMs came from..LOL.
        • TruFan October 1, 2011 at 4:07 pm

          I never said that his financial background was the reason for his success, just that you don’t have to have come from a baseball background to be a good GM like Alderson and Friedman proved.
          • Bayonne Mets Fan October 1, 2011 at 5:18 pm

            And why do you call Alderson a good GM? That’s not a fair statement at all.

            While he has experienced some success early in his career His last 6 seasons as a GM were lousy and in his first year with Mets he signs Chris Young, Boof Bonser, Brad Emaus, Chin Lung Hu, Taylor Bucholz, and a 2 yr contract for DJ Carrasco. I also don’t think the Beato decision was that good either.

            That’s a TERRIBLE off season and a lousy way to start a new job with a new organization. And don’t give me the low payroll excuse because I bet you can find a better list of ballplayers for a similar cost somewhere around the league and if that proved to be true then it also shows bad judgement and bad evaluation skills too.

            So don’t say that Alderson is a good GM.
            • NJ stuck in TX October 1, 2011 at 5:22 pm

              Can you provide this list of similarly paid players that performed better?
              • Bayonne Mets Fan October 1, 2011 at 5:27 pm

                No I cannot. And that’s a ridiculous request because I’m not going to spend the rest of my day researching the entire 2010 off season moves by every team and the contracts of each player moved.

                That’s just a silly remark. And just because I’m not going to spend the rest of my day looking it up doesn’t mean it’s not true. I bet it IS true.
                • NJ stuck in TX October 1, 2011 at 5:44 pm

                  If it’s that easy to find, then I can’t see it taking the rest of your day.
              • Bayonne Mets Fan October 1, 2011 at 5:29 pm

                That’s like me saying I bet somebody signed a ridiculously absurd contract last season. You know it happened just not where. Talk to me when you make sense because I noticed you follow me around and make a lot of backwoods-level remarks.
                • NJ stuck in TX October 1, 2011 at 5:43 pm

                  I do, because you attack many intelligent posters and bully them with big comments, yet you never do the research to back them up. Opinions without any supporting evidence is just silly.

                  I say the moon is made of cheese. Everyone blasts me. Why? Because they can prove me wrong with factual evidence. You are blasting people and making arguments without evidence, but rather based on your thoughts and feelings. You are well entitled to your thoughts/feelings, but for you to say others are wrong with no way to back that up is wrong. You lose credibility on that.
                  • Bayonne Mets Fan October 1, 2011 at 5:49 pm

                    well i’m that strong in my opinions and if that bothers you than you’re going to lose a lot of weight following me around all over the place for a longgggg time.

                    I don’t have to provide a notary public for everything I say. Some things require it others don’t. And I’ll decide that.
              • Vinny B October 1, 2011 at 7:00 pm

                Harang, Wang, Millwood, Vogelsong, Colon, Garica, Bedard, Choate, Coffey, Jaun Cruz, Dotel, Qualls, Saito, Sherrill, Koji Uheara, Dan Wheeler, Kotchman, Bloomquist, Andruw Jones, Melky Caberera, and finally….Jeff Francoeur.

                All are around the same price as the guys Bayonne listed, and all played a lot better.
                • Bayonne Mets Fan October 1, 2011 at 7:05 pm

                  Vinny you should be the God darn General Manager of the Mets!
      • TruFan October 1, 2011 at 4:06 pm

        I find it hard to believe that this team would be worse without Minaya’s guys like Oliver Perez, Luis Castillo, Jason Bay, and Johan Santana, all of whom combined didn’t contribute much to this team and took away $56M worth of payroll flexibility to sign free agents this offseason.
        • OmarFan October 1, 2011 at 4:10 pm

          Gee, Niese, Pelfrey, Parnell, Beato, Tejada, Thole, Beltran, Ike, Duda, Pagan, Dickey, Murphy, Turner are all here in one way or another because of Omar Minaya.

          Had we kept K-Rod, Beltran and had Ike, Wright, Johan been healthy, we compete for a playoff spot.

          ST F U already
          • TruFan October 1, 2011 at 4:24 pm

            If Perez didn’t became a bust, if Bay had stayed healthy and not been a shell of his former self. If Santana didn’t blow out his shoulder. If Beltran didn’t get hurt. If Alou played more than 110 games over 2 seasons. IF IF IF See where we are going here?
            • OmarFan October 1, 2011 at 4:29 pm

              No…What are you getting @, stupid? The same injuries the Yankees suffered in 2008 when they missed the playoffs. The same injuries the Red Sox and Braves suffered in their HISTORIC collapses.

              What are YOU getting at, fool? Everyone signs players who bust or get injured. What’s your point?

              Is Omar not allowed to have any guys that get hurt? Happens all the time.

              Go have a sandwich, kid. You’re out of your league here.
              • Joe D October 1, 2011 at 5:14 pm

                If you cant have a discussion without calling others names, your next comment will be your last. Is a little civility too much to ask? It’s not difficult to make a point without resorting to ignorant name calling if you try.
              • Bayonne Mets Fan October 1, 2011 at 5:22 pm

                OmarFan,

                I know this sounds crazy coming from me. Akin to Sam Kinison telling John Belushi he’s too drunk to drive and he’ll take over the wheel (anybody who is familiar with deceased hard partying funnyman Sam Kinison will know what i mean) but tone it down because your input is too valuable here.

                Chalk it up to the old saying “Do as I say not as I do”
    • OmarFan October 1, 2011 at 3:43 pm

      LMFAO 2
    • OmarFan October 1, 2011 at 4:05 pm

      LMFAO!!!!! You want to play the sarcasm game. Nice of you to catch “relay” which should have been rely. Guess that’s the fat porker non-athlete in you, which denotes most internet spelling B champions. You hit more buffets than you did fastballs, I would wager. We can get evil here, you know what I mean. So if I were you, I would be careful who you mock, because if you’re a little porker who never played ball, I just hit payola…LOL

      And before you go SHOVE another CHEESEBURGER down your throat, it would be nice of you to read up on Friedman, chimp. The guy went to Tulane on a scholarship for BASEBALL. His dad also played @ Tulane if I’m not mistaken. This information is PER Friedman. This isn’t a NERDY little 44 sized waist sabermoron who never played before.

      As for Alderson, he was in charge for 14/15 YEARS! This is all he produced???? Three steroid animals one a guy who lied about his age.

      Omar has some steroid champs too- Pudge and Igor. Sosa has never been charged. Jose Reyes, Angel Pagan, Nelson Cruz, Melvin Mora and others are credited to Omar because he was in charge of Met scouting in the 90′s and 2000′s before he left for Washington. Give Omar 15 years to sign some stars and he would have done the same. At least Omar’s guys are Hall of Famers. None of Alderson’s guys are getting in.

      Take a look @ the current roster, and start giving credit to Alderson. The Mets were ABOVE .500 without Ike, Wright and Johan Santana around before Alderson was ordered to trade away our closer and our ALL-STAR Cf, you ass backwards fool…LOL.

      Go back to your hole, animal.
      • TruFan October 1, 2011 at 4:14 pm

        Wow, so someone here can’t take some sarcasm without losing his cool and needing to go insulting people whom he has never met. U MAD BRO?

        Omar was not GM when those guys you mentioned was drafted. It doesn’t prove anything about how he influenced those organizations to draft them nor his ability as a GM. You are just grasping for straws here.
        • OmarFan October 1, 2011 at 4:24 pm

          He played college baseball and so did his dad. Tulane is not Ivy League school. They DO create athletes. If you want to check spelling and be a little precise NERD, at least know WTF you’re talking about.

          Most of the players I mentioned Alderson has here OMAR DRAFTED or signed/helped sign as an international free agent, you animal. I’m not grasping for straws. You’re talking SHIT is more like it.

          And nobody is mad “bro” but someone trying to correct others should know WTF they’re talking about, because if you don’t, I’m going to town on you. Don’t turn into a crybaby, because I went in on you. Be a MAN and handle your business like one. If you can dish it, expect to get it back.
          • TruFan October 1, 2011 at 4:32 pm

            “Tulane is not Ivy League school. They DO create athletes.”

            Ryan Fitzpatrick and Matt Birk disagree with you.

            “And nobody is mad “bro” but someone trying to correct others should know WTF they’re talking about”

            I’m sure most people know who exactly knows what he’s talking about.

            “I’m going to town on you”

            HAHAHA, really? I thought you were just insulting anyone who disagreed with you.
• Vinny B October 1, 2011 at 10:04 pm

  Maniac,

  Could you find out what Alderson’s winning percentage is for his career as GM, and what Omar’s is as Mets GM?

  That would be really interesting to see.
  • Mr North Jersey October 1, 2011 at 10:13 pm

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?hl=en_US&hl=en_US&key=0ApxE2V-jZhJHdGtiaWVRUjV4RXhfdXZQRWRDTjFzaGc&output=html
  • Met Maniac October 1, 2011 at 11:16 pm

    As Mets GM Minaya had a .521 Win Pct. vs .506 for Alderson’s total career.