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2011
Jason Bay: Too Little, Too Late
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Quite frankly, I’m a little sick and tired of the free ride Jason Bay has gotten this year from a New York media that loves to pick and choose who gets blasted in this town, and who doesn’t. I regret the day we signed Jason Bay, and I’m not going to be swayed now simply because he’s finally hitting some meaningless home runs and collecting some meaningless RBI’s in the remaining meaningless games of the 2011 season.
Am I supposed to forget the two years of pathetic production at a cost of $32 million dollars, just because Bay is a nice guy and likes to hustle?
Nobody gave Francoeur a free ride for his hustle and nice-guy reputation, so why is everyone falling all over themselves gloating about Jason Bay?
I actually did something I’ve never done before on Friday… I had to press the mute button on my remote about five minutes into the GKR lovefest over Jason Bay legging out a double against the Cubs during the Mets game. I mean, come on guys, really? They made it seem like that double was worth every penny of his $66 million dollar contract. Later on, after a base hit fell in front of him in left field, they sneaked in another beauty, “what a valiant effort by Jason”. Jason? Valiant? Gimme a break…
Going into Sunday’s contest, Bay had a nine game hitting streak in which he’s hit .378 with three home runs and 12 RBI. A few beat writers reported that apparently Bay has been studying his 2009 swing with hitting coach Dave Hudgens… Really? So now that the Mets have been mathematically eliminated… Now that we’ve had to endure five months of a black hole in left field… Now that we’ve suffered through not one, but two atrocious seasons from our token Canadian… Only now, we’re going to look at some old video from 2009 to fix Jason Bay?
I guess Bay just realized that according to the terms of his contract, he’s going to need 500 plate appearances in 2012 and 2013 for his $18 million dollar 2014 vesting option to kick in. Surely he must know that he was looking at reduced playing time next season unless he made a drastic turnaround at the plate. So now’s as good a time as any to get ready for the 2012 season.
Some have called Alderson a genius for getting rid of K-Rod and Beltran, which I still don’t really understand. Basically, we paid the other teams to take them off our hands, and it will be years until we find out if we got bragging rights on any of the players we received. Good deals? Sure, why not, but hardly genius-worthy.
That said, if Alderson can trade Jason Bay this offseason, a feat that won’t be nearly as easy as trading two top performing players along with an accompanying boatload of cash, then I’ll let the accolades fly for the Mets GM.
Let me see Alderson pull this rabbit out of his hat this offseason, and I’ll have our graphics designer Kelly, create a special “Genius” graphic just for him.
About the Author: Joe DeCaro
I'm a lifelong Mets fan who loves writing and talking about the Amazins' 24/7. From the Miracle in 1969 to the magic of 1986, and even the near misses in '73 and '00, I've experienced it all - the highs and the lows. I started Mets Merized Online in 2005 to feed my addiction. Follow me on Twitter @metsmerized.
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A free ride? Jason Bay has gotten anything but a free ride. He has gotten more criticism than anybody on this team. And rightly so. But you do have to give him credit for a few things. Rather than throw his helmet down and argue calls and get ejected, he just goes about his business. Doesn’t make excuses. He’s open with the media, and doesn’t take his poor play to the field with him. He’s actually played a very god left field this year.
Yes he has had two pretty bad years. But he is finally hitting the ball. Whether you like it or not, he will be the starting left fielder next year. And it IS encouraging to see him always hustle and give his all even though the games aren’t meaningful. If this can carry over into next year and he consistently hits, everything you’re talking about in this post will be forgotten.
perhaps you shouldnt care what the media does.
Metsmerized Online is part of the online media….
Wouldn’t it be great if we get 25-30 HR from Bay next year? Maybe he will also be aided by Alderson moving in the fences and lowering “The Great Wall of Flushing” (another ridiculous Wilpon idea).
JOE D, THE CORE SALUTES YOU.. THANK GOD FOR THIS POST… yes he has gotten a free ride, and i don’t wanna hear anything about “he’s hittin well the past 2 weeks” crap, he does this and has been fooling us into believing he’ll break out, then has 3 weeks straight of just absolute crap offensively.. he does gets a pass along with some other players in the history of this franchiZe, rememeber beltran in 2005?? i mean, the guy was enemy #1 and if bay had giving us the CRAPPY season beltran gave us that year we’d be contending for the wild card.
Bay tries hard and plays hard but it doesn’t really result in much success.
Part of the problem people don’t take him to task more is they know there is nothing that can be done about it save cutting him or trading him and paying his salary anyway.
It’s lost money at this point and we have to accept it as lost investment.
As I mentioned in the economics thread, thereis an opportunity to find a newborn sucker by leaving bay exposed in the Rule5 draft this year. Not sure we CAN do that but if someone takes him they pay him!
The park is in his head and he might do well someplace else.
But more likely is they will cave into fan pressure, bring in the fences and ruin what little we are getting from our pitching staff that seems to be helped by the park dimensions.
I agree. They’ll bring in the fences and then lets see how we can attract a pitcher with other options.
The only thing that can be done with Bay is cut him, otherwise he counts against the 40 cause he has a guaranteed deal with two more years remaining. You know he was put on waivers and if anyone had claimed him he’d be gone for nothing. That had zero chance of happening so I guess we’re stuck with him for another year and if Juan Lagares has a bang up first half in AA and the same in AAA for the 2nd half we could finally have a credible presence in LF that we developed ourselves and cut Bay loose in June of 2013 would be my best guess.
Hey, it’s only been 45 years or so since we brought up Cleon so I’d say we’re due.
Thanks Tag I wasn’t sure what his options were on exposing I did figure there was some reason why he could not be exposed.
Shame it wasn’t that easy huh Metsie?
Good job on the article and the right way to look at it if you ask me. Total obligations + whatever you decide to do. Monies there to get the roster under control but we’ll still have to take some chances on guys who are willing to take a one year deal.
Hope we uncover a few gems.
That was a tagee typical BS cheap shot at the Mets which was not necessary. The last left fielder the Yankees developed on their own of any significance appears to be Roy White so why don’t you get on them?
This whole deal of the Mets haven’t developed their own LF or C or whatever is completely BLOWN out of proportion by you because you want them to develop their ENTIRE roster from their farm. Something that is completely IMPOSSIBLE. You also seem to have an agenda against any player under 30. You DO NOT WIN without players that are 30 or over on your roster too. What if the Mets developed their own catcher more often? What difference does it make? Maybe if the Mets develop their own decent catcher they don’t acquire a Gary Carter or a Mike Piazza depending on when it happens if you want to get into hypotheticals so knock it off with your BULL.
The fact the Mets haven’t developed their own signficant LFer since Cleon Jones is insignificant when it comes to putting together a winning team and winning some games on the field that THEY SHOULD HAVE WON but didn’t. Them’s the breaks. We’ve had good left fielders in our past on winnning teams and even on winning teams like the 1999 or 2000 Mets we didn’t need a significant LFer cuz the Mets strength was elsewhere. Stop BASHING the Mets just because you can’t have this idealistic roster of EVERYBODY from the farm on your team – ain’t gonna happen
Brett Gardner might beg to differ about your first question.
i’m well aware of Brett Garnder and didn’t include him because there’s been talk of moving him to CF
Where in the world did you hear that? Categorically false.
Categorically RIGHT.
He’s played CF before for the Yanks ABSOLUTELY. They moved him over to LF when they signed Curtis Granderson. YOU get YOUR facts straight buddy.
Roy White is the last genuine LFer for the Yankees of any significance.
Sure, Gardner WAS their CF. But where is your source of the Yankees moving him back. It’s categorically false they’re talking of moving him back. Don’t twist it around. You said they were talking about moving him and that’s not true. You made it up.
I did not make that up. I’ve heard them mention that they could still use Gardner in CF. And I don’t know if he’s played it all this year or not. I DO know that Granderson plays CF almost all the time but show me where Gardner has NOT. I’m not twisting anything PAL.
As a matter of fact Gardner in the past HAS been the starting Centerfielder for the Yankees
I most certainly did hear that the Yankees could use Gardner in CF this year. Of course Granderson is the starter but Gardner can still play it sometimes. And anyway now you’re looking to skip back and look for an out with your “Brett Gardner may beg to differ” comment.
The FACT REMAINS – Roy White was the last LFer of any significance for the Yankees and you responded with Brett Gardner may beg to differ. Unlucky for you he’s been the Yankee centerfielder in the past too – and the starting Centerfielder
The FACT REMAINS – Roy White was the last LFer of any significance for the Yankees. That was my original statement so go spin away
LoL. Really? Find me one instance of “them” saying Gardner was going to move back to CF. And I don’t mean one-offs when Granderson takes a day off. You’re full of it. And each comment proves it. You never said anything about Gardner in hte past. Sure, he started in 2009. Now he’s their LF. And he’s the best LF in the game. And the Yanks are going to move him. Tremendous analysis, champ.
So just because I heard the announcers talk about Brett Gardner playing CF you want me to go look up the broadcast? Sure.
You win the debate because of that okay? Take a hike.
I was right to begin with. Roy White was the last Left Fielder of any significance with the Yanks and you differed with that because Bret Gardner plays Left Field now when HE IS IN FACT a NATURAL CENTERFIELDER. you take a hike pal
You really are a twisting magician. Of course Gardner came up as a CF. Who said otherwise. I took issue with your lie that “them” was talking about moving him back there. Something you’ll never be able to justify because it never happened. And you use one lonely broadcast to defend your position because it’s convenient you can’t find it. So I guess Cal Ripken was never a real SS because he was moved?
Okay this is not gonna go on forever because i remember you, des and a couple of others going on forever every single blog last year. How dare you accuse me of lying when I did not you creep. How are WE to know that you already knew that Gardner came up as a center fielder? You didn’t say it before but suddenly you’re saying it now. And I’m not gonna harp on that because that’s not what the debate is about.
This is it – I may have misspoke about the announcers or not be sure exactly what I heard but I KNOW they talked about Gardner being in CF and I wasn’t even aware of HOW MUCH Center Field he actually played before.
I won the argument and you were wrong about all the facts and I was right about all the facts. I’ll take that anytime.
You’re more concerned about what i heard than the argument. I’ve won the argument and it’s now over.
Roy White was the last LFer of any significance the Yankees developed. Bret Gardner is a Centerfielder. Done.
“The announcers were talking about it.”
That’s got to be the best one of all time!
LOL.
Did you hear the one about Bay playing CF?
I guess you believe that one too.
ROFL
Tag, that’s not hte best of all time. This is the best of all time:
Roy White was a 2B in the minors. Didn’t play one inning in the OF in the minors. Didn’t even play LF till his second year in the majors. Developed a LF my you know what!
This guy’s a gasbag.
If Brett Gardner is a CFer he’s shaded WAAAAYYYYYY too far towards LF.
Roy White is the last regular LFer the Yankees developed
Fact.
tagee now you sound like the clown that you are. Brett Gardner IS a natural Centerfielder. He’s played 12 games there this year.
You commented about the Mets not having their own Lfer outside of Cleon Jones in 45 years and I came back with the Yankees have not had their own LFer in 32 or 33 years and the Leftfielder was ROY WHITE.
The both of you come across as babys
Oh come on agee, a player moving back to his natural postion is much more realistic than Jason Bay moving to CF.
It’s not even close to the same thing.
and to the overweight Extreem Icon
Roy White played all of 3 games in the majors at 2B for the Yankees.
He played 1,501 games in LF.
You’re the gasbag. As usual
So how is it a fact that Roy White was hte last LF the Yanks developed when A) Gardner is the LF now and better than White and B) White was developed as a 2B?
Geez, at least Gardner played a few innings in LF in the minors. White didn’t even sniff LF til his 2nd year.
What a joke this guy is. And he’s made to look like a fool, so he calls me overweight because…..well, I don’t know why. I guess he thinks it makes him look cool?
Xtreem icon you are a real piece of work and I know the readers reading this thread HAVE to realize that. You go on and on and on and on – just like you did last year. This is IT.
If you don’t have the common sense to realize that Gardner is still new and you don’t know if he’ll wind up going back to Centerfield than forget it. AND If you don’t have the common sense that teams can develop players into the positions at the major league level than I can’t help you. E.g., Murpy with the Mets for God’s sake!
In other words – see me in a few years about Gardner.
FORGET IT DUDE – you LOST THE ARGUMENT. IT’s over
Roy White is the LAST REAL Left Fielder the Yankees developed and he played it for 14 or 15 seasons. When Brett Gardner plays it that long than come back to talk to me. Until then GIVE IT UP ALREADY. YOU LOST.
Realistic is not the question Vinny. The question was about announcers and the credibility of their suggestions. I could see Gardner moving to CF when Granderson’s deal is up. I could never see Bay patrolling CF in Citi but announcers here were talking about it as recently as an hour ago.
Gardner is the NYY LFer. In fact the NYY traded for a CFer when Gardner was already up here. He could move but who knows. For now he’s firmly entrenched as the LFer at Yankee Stadium.
Homegrown LFer. That’s what Gardner is at the present time.
It such backwards logic how the Yankees haven’t developed a LF since White, who was developed as a 2B, meanwhile Gardner is there who at the very least is a LF under the same circumstances White was (even though Gardner did play some LF in the minors and is better than White) and with Gardner in CF, the Yanks went and traded for a CF.
But you can lie and twist things when you’re proven wrong, like your comment about White. Everyone knows you had no idea White was a 2B.
Oh and I just looked it up because i never knew this before but Brett Gardner is a natural Center Fielder. That’s what he played almost all of the time in the minors.
Your wrong on all kinds of levels. But that’s not uncommon for you.
More OFer’s than not that make it up here were CFers in the minors.
Roy White. 15 years, we should be so lucky.
15 years is not the point. You took one of your daily shot at the Mets when you said they haven’t had their own LFer since Cleon Jones.
The Yankees last own LFer was Roy White. He last played for them 32 or 33 years ago. That’s what i’m talking about
The NYY have produced many All Stars and even future Hall of Famers and used their farm system to acquire other All Stars.
O’Niell played 10 years for the NYY over 1000 games in RF. During that time frame we’ve had a 1000 different RFers. Posada, Bernie and Jeter through the draft. Mariano through IFA Granderson from an IFA (Austin Jackson) A-Rod from an IFA (Soriano) Montero, Romaine, Gardner, Robertson, Cano.
Not exactly the same thing spin meister.
listen tagee, you’re another clown and you’re making yourself look bad in front of the readership.
Let’s bring things BACK to the beginning. You chastised the Mets for developing one LFer in 45 years and I took exception to that and pointed out the Yankees developed on in 32 or 33 years. Pick another team then. How many LFers have other teams not developed in long periods of time? The Yankees AND the Mets are 2 of them.
All that other stuff about Mariano and Oniell is other stuff that has NOTHING TO DO WITH THE SUBJECT.
YOU LOST TOO. Drop it already.
Look Buffoon. You make yourself look bad to the “readership” here every day.
The NYY have produced a homegrown LFer and he can be found in LF everyday. You lost the argument, as usual. Same as the pinch hit argument an hour ago.
Imagine a baseball fan not understanding that your ROOGY is a ROOGY for a reason. He can’t get lefty’s out. That’s a very big part of the reason why you walk the lefty to pitch to Wright.
Spin that.
Nope you’re wrong as usual,
Even the ESPN announcers were stunned last night when Duda was walked in favor or Wright.
Fact is the Cubs walked a rook in order to face Wright.
And the last homegrown LFer for the Yanks was Roy White.
When Brett Gardner plays another 10 years then talk to me and we’ll see what positions he’s been playing.
Oh and the original comment about White I made was in response to your sarcastic remark about the Mets developing one LFer in 45 years. The Mets are not the only team to take forever to develop their own LFer. The Yanks too and who knows what other team hasn’t developed their own LFer in decades.
I’ve never said your entire team must be home grown. What the homegrown prospect does for you though is prevent you from making the kind of mistake were are suffering through in LF yet again with Bay. No different than Foster. Henderson played great in 1999 but we had to cut his *** in 2000. Floyd had a couple good years but Shinjo wasn’t any great shakes and Alou left us hanging……twice. We’ve had to pay exhorbinant prices for **** play and give up #1 and #2 draft choices on top of it. That’s idiotic. Get **** play, prevent yourself from addressing a different need in a more credible fashion and cost yourself a highly rated prospect as well and have to live with the guy for 2 or 3 years on top of it. No wonder your in favor of that approach.
Having a good catcher didn’t prevent us from getting Mike Piazza did it? We then turned Hundley into Armando Benitez which addressed a different need.
If Benny Agbayani is the best LFer you’ve produced in 45 years your not doing a good job and when you’ve only produced one good RFer in 50 years, one decent catcher and one decent 2B and 3B in 50 years and two good SS’s and CFers in fifty that’s a **** job
If it was just one or two positions that’d be one thing but it’s not. It’s damn near every position.
That’s why we have to keep importing these aging over paid freaks to come here and stink up the joint…….not be able to upgrade elsewhere and suffer through yet another two or three years of WELL below average play and justify it all with the same old tired refrain “Well who else were we going to get to play _____?” Or the ultimate classic “Who could have guessed that __________ would have fallen off a cliff as soon as he got here?”
If we had a 2B we wouldn’t have signed Castillo. If we had a catcher we wouldn’t have traded for Schneider. If we had a young LHP we would have told Perez to go make his best deal and get back to us. If we had a LFer we wouldn’t have signed Bay. If we had developed a closer we might have drafted Travis D’Anaurd or Mike Trout. Maybe we make a trade for another need.
Burnitz, Vaughn, Weathers, Alomar, Appier, Coleman, Saberhagen. It’s all just been a big blur of under performance for over two decades now.
Monkeyball has been given every chance to succeed here and failed miserably. It’s actually produced more losing seasons than winning ones over the last 20 years, even with the leagues highest payroll. Now twenty years is a good long time. Long enough that one cannot say it was short circuited.
It is a flawed plan guaranteed to produce more sub .500 teams than over .500 one’s and people are pissed off and fed up and that’s why the seats are empty. It may be a different era but at one time you could go and see guys you grew up with. That had been here for 6-10 years or longer. That had expierenced success in a Met uniform, not someone else’s. You might know there’s not a great chance of winning it this year but hell it was great just seeing Koosman, Sid, Milner, Straw or Alfonzo.
Sadly we’re treated every year to someone who was foisted off on us
by someone that got the best years of a players career and were eased on out the door while we gave them the gold watch while they played cards in the clubhouse during a playoff game.
Rule 5 is for minor leaguers who have either 4 (if signed at 19 or later) or 5 (if signed at 16-18) years in the minors and left off the 40.
Bay has to be on the 40 unless we just cut him and ate the cash.
If the walls are brought in AS THEY SHOULD Be it has nothing to do with fan pressure and everything to do with player pressure and everybody else who is in MLB, not the fans. If anything the only time I hear about the walls not being an issue is from a few people here but this is the internet so any fan can say anything no matter how ridiculous it is.
And nobody is saying turn it into a banbox either as tagee so sarcastically eluded too. CC Sabbathia pitches fine at Yankee Statdium. And anyway all they should do is bring the fences back to normal distances, let’s say like Shea stadium which was a hitter’s park to begin with! It’s beyond belief they actually made the damned park BIGGER than what they already had. That was totally unfair and not smart considering the type of players that were on the roster and in the minors. Even last night Orel, Bobby V and even Mike Piazza were all questioning the distance of that fence. Sure Orel made light of it saying he would love it, being a pitcher but Piazza even said he’s not so sure his famous post 9/11 HR would have even went out of Citi Field.
I constantly hear players on TV, executives, and all kinds of baseball types questioning the distance of the fences at Citi Field. and they are correct – the distance IS RIDICULOUS. And the made the walls HIGHER TOO.
Cut the Mo Zone out, and draw a HR line across Lf to LCF like they have in CF and that would be a start. But this notion that the walls are not too deep for these hitters that some fans think here is completely unfair and ridiculous. If I made a living supporting my family as a major league power hitter NO WAY IN HELL do I sign with the Mets with those dimensions at Citi Field. It would not only destroy your game it would also weaken your bargaining power for your next contract.
Just bring the walls back to a distance similar to Shea Stadium which was already a pitcher’s park. NOBODY is saying turn it into a ban box.
correction ” let’s say like Shea stadium which was a hitter’s park to begin with! ”
Should say “pitcher’s park” not “hitter’s park”
I’m not sure how changing the dimension of the field will somehow affect Bay. He’s got better numbers all around in Citi Field vs. on the Road. Same number of HRs (in less games), higher OPS, same RBI (again in less games), less Ks, more SBs, more runs…
Free ride? From who?
I’ve heard boos for Bay’s at bats this second half of the year second to no one else on this team.
I think every knowledgeable Met fan is in agreement he’s not lived up to the contract Omar negotiated. The media certainly can’t be accused either of painting a rosy picture in regards to Bay – not from what I’ve been reading.
The Mets fans somewhat forced the Bay deal to begin with because they wanted someone like Holliday but the Mets didn’t get him. So they made a big stink and wanted Bay. The Mets followed the fans and now the fans are mad about the deal. Well we have to live with it. Just like we have to live with Santana being injured constantly and not living up to his contract. It sucks but (as happens all too often with the Mets) the big signing got injured. If the Mets fans would maybe stop Booing every player when they are struggling those players might be able to work through slumps instead of having to deal with a brutal fan base attacking them all the time. Doesn’t excuse that he sucks but it doesn’t make it any easier.
Hindsight being what it was, I wish they had signed Lackey. But, it is what it is and after the past few years of Bay’s production, no one could have predicted this fall off. Not even the Mayans…
That’s the justification for signing all these disappointing cro magnon men. “No one could have predicted he would fall off the cliff.” Yet way more often than not that’s exactly what they do.
If they don’t fall off the cliff they get hurt and can’t play. Alou, Wagner, Cedeno, Bay, Weathers, Floyd, Bonilla, Appier, Castillo, Schowenweiss it just never ends and it’s all because the farm system doesn’t deliver.
Who in their right mind would spend a 2nd round draft choice to over pay Roger Cedeno? David Weathers? Jason Bay? Someone who wasn’t doing their job that’s who. Or someone who was trying to recoup lost time from a predoccesor who didn’t do his job.
When you look at teams that we are competing against it is embarrasing the riches they pull from the draft. Guys who come up here ready to compete. McCann, Heyward, Freeman, Venters, Kimbrell, Hanson, Teheran, Minor, Beachy, Prado to name just a few on one team.
Well at least we have Bay for another couple of years.
Lackey, Figgins, Dunn it’s not like we’re the only ones. We’ve just gone whole hog for the ancient free agent cause we have the most holes to fill every year.
Just look at the bullpen. One guy we developed. One out of seven. Imagine if we hadn’t spent one suppplemental, two 2nd round and three third round picks on the bullpen how bad it would be.
Then why the HELL don’t you go root for the Braves and Jason Heyward’s .223 batting average with 13 HRs!
Cliff Floyd was instrumental ON and OFF the field for the 2006 Mets. He was a valuable member of that team as was Wagner who had 40 saves that year and 34 the next. Sure Wagner gave up a few Heart Breaking HRs but to use him in that ridiculous list is nothing short of SECOND GUESSING.
And that’s all you DO around here is SECOND GUESS and PRAISE other team’s picks
Buffoon, all you do is praise what doesn’t work. Heyward’s been playing hurt all year, something Wagner wasn’t able to do. Any time you really deep down needed the guy he was in the trainers room or otherwise unavailable. 13.50 ERA in the 2006 NLCS.
**** Schowenweiss could have done that. Hell you or I could of done that. Unavailable down the stretch in 2007 and thank God for it considering how many games he blew. Hurt mid season in 2008 and out all of 2009. Wasn’t even prepared to come into a “non save situation” against the Huns in 2006 and blew a 4 zip lead.
74 saves over 4 years. Wonder what Kimbrel and Venters think about that.
All I can say is that man was real clutch.
I don’t know maybe when Kimbrel and Venter accumulate 4 years of service they’ll have a better idea about it.
Yeah only after the games are played and the Mets lost some big time heartbreakers NOW you’re coming up with all this stuff.
Second guessing clown.
just go root for the Braves dude.
The Mets have had some nice play by several of their young guns lately and NOT A WORD from you. Just plenty of praise for the Braves and their .223 hitting Heyward who all of sudden NOW you say injury is an issue when just earlier today you accused me of using injury as an excuse (in the Josh Stinson game recap blog).
Now injuries matter because it happens to a Brave? But it’s not an excuse with Omar’s team.
You take Jason Heyward and I’ll take Ike Davis any day of the week.
Take a hike and go over to a Braves Blog and join their site because you’re a FRONT RUNNER TOO. So whoever is the flavor of the day, the good team now..is the one the Mets should emulate. Yeah, okay.
Isn’t Lucas Duda a left fielder we developed? Why do sabers do nothing except knock their own team’s prospects? Except for Wheeler that is.
I’m no saber head. Duda’s a first basemen playing RF anyway or haven’t you noticed?
See? They are always looking to put down all the Mets players – if Duda was on the Braves, he would be saying “we could have drafted Duda in the 7th in round in 07″ and he would be talking about how smart the Braves were for picking a player that good so late.
That’s what the haters do, they hate on the Mets prospects. Never mentions Ike Davis of the development of Niese or how good a hitter Murphy is. Wasn’t Murphy leading the league in batting before he got injured? Or was that Heyward?
Vinny B you’re a genius, that’s EXACTLY what he would be saying
LOL! Man, that’s funny, I can’t stop laughing…wow.
Please, just go away, you’re not funny at all. You don’t add anything to this site, your just annoying, plase just go back to Alderson avenue.
Look jackass. Heywards still out there. None of our guys ever get back. The guys playing hurt in his second year. Should have won Rookie of the year his first season. Even came in about 20th in the MVP votes his rookie season.
When was the last time we had a guy who got MVP votes his rookie season? Straw? That’s a quarter of a century ago.
That’s three you’ve lost to me in 6 hours.
LOL
SMH
Isn’t Reyes hurt now? Hasn’t Reyes been playing hurt a lot the last couple of years?
Or are the Braves injuries different? Didn’t Beltran play hurt for the Mets?
I’m sure there have been lots of Mets players just as brave as Jason Heyward who’ve played hurt over the years. You’re an absolute disgrace and I’ve lost nothing to you, it’s all in your mind.
Go to a Braves Blog site and please get the hell out of here.
Bayonne, injuries aren’t an excuse for the Mets, but they are for the Braves, shouldn’t you know that by now?
I can’t believe how he and others makes the “injury excuse” for heyward, BUT, when we say that about one of the players on our team, we get attacked for it – it’s unbelievable how a Metsfan is making excuses for one of the players our biggest rivals, but atttacks somebody if they say the same thing about the Mets – SMH.
They also talk talk so highly about all the Braves young players, but ignore the good, young players the Mets have like Duda, Davis, and Gee – These guys really do sound more like Braves fans than Mets fans.
Maybe you guys should go here, it’s the perfect, and I mean PERFECT, site for you:
http://www.talkingchop.com/
Heywards not pulling the injury excuse. He’s out there doing what he can unlike Wagner, Alou, Pedro, Santana, Putz, but then again those guys were Astros, Expos, Twins and Mariners anyway.
Absolute disgrace,
Jose Reyes plays hurt all the time and I’m sure plenty of Mets have played hurt before. You make me sick
It IS a disgrace….espcially to say that about Sanatana, when he pitched an amazing game the 2nd to last game of the season in 08 pitching through an injury.
How can you say that about Santana? SMH.
http://articles.nydailynews.com/2008-10-01/sports/17907776_1_short-rest-hospital-for-special-surgery-new-knee
And you have some nerve using the name of a well-love New York Met as a monicker.
You should remove yourself from any mention Tommy Agee’s name
Oh and last week he was praising the SF Giants and saying how everything seems to be working out for them.
Now the Giants have faded so now it’s all about the Braves
Your just defending him because he plays on your favortie team…..You don’t defend any of the Mets players like your doing now with Heyward.
“oh he’s playing hurt” and you know what? he’s hitting .220, and is splitting time with George Costanza…..
Hey give the guy a break-some folks are just “late bloomers.” That’s what my teacher told my parents when I was 12 and still in the 3rd grade! One teacher said I wouldn’t grow up to be much, but I fooled her. I grew up to be a Met’s fan!
What free ride? Because the Mets have to pay him no matter what because its a contract? Yes, its a bad contract because he hasn’t been worth the money but he has paid the price through the Boos and general fan hatred of him. Mets fans are very fickle and have booed him from day one. Its tough to play in NYC and Mets fans have made it even more difficult. We can’t really tell how much this has effected his play but it always makes it more difficult for players. Some players whine and complain and show that the fans (and their slumps) get to them. Bay has sucked but handled it with a lot more class than most players. He hasn’t gotten a free ride by any means. This site for example has been constantly on his case for not living up to his contract. The Mets aren’t just going to dump him, no team is going to just give away the rest of his substantial contract. The fans want a quick solution when there is none. Its just how the game works.
Also, Bay was just named Player of the Week by MLB. Just like David Wright was last week. Although if you listen to this site we should dump all our stars and rely on Reyes to somehow get on base and hit himself in at the same time because the Mets need to trade everyone and sign Reyes. Maybe Reyes can pitch next year too, though seriously he couldn’t be much worse than the Mets relievers.
The Mets aren’t just going to dump him, no team is going to just give away the rest of his substantial contract.
And yet all the HATERZ like YOU and AGEE called out Omar for not cutting Perez and Castillo when they had 2 years on there contract. Then Alderson shows up with one year on their deals and all the clowns like you said Alderson did what Omar couldn’t. So now you all admit, Minaya couldn’t cut Perez and Castillo either? And what the hell is a Mets guppy? You sound like a *** with that name.
Two things here gents…..
1) Why the hell are you talking about Roy White or Brett Gardner? This is a Mets fan website
2) Do any of you folks remember a player that we traded for or signed as a free agent who came here and immediately had a big season? It is no secret that playing in New York is difficult with all of the media and the fan base expecting big things for the salaries that are being paid out. It takes a special individual to be impervious to the media crush and in recent years I can remember only one such player and that was Pedro Martinez. Now many of you will say that he was not worth the money paid for the amount of wins he gave us. I beg to differ as when he was signed by Omar Minaya the team had been in the toilet for years. I think that Jason Bay like many other players got hung up on trying to justify his salary and just lost his swing. Did he not lose 2 months from last season because of the concussion? In the meantime he has never stopped hustling, has always been a stand up guy and not let his struggles at the plate effect his defense. I feel confident that he has finally found his swing but more important has found his confidence again and will be a run producer again.
Mike Piazza struggled at first….and so did Keith Hernandez. The only other player of any significance who came here and immediately played well was “the kid”, Gary Carter and he was the kind of player that loved the media attention.
what is this garbage?? he hustle and is a stand up guy?? wtf??!! isn’t castillo the same way?? yet he was murder in this site!!! by me included. let’s be consitant here and not look at color. found his swing gimme a break. and you better check again what you talking about, piazza struggle at first? you talk about trades or signings?? which one is it? piazza was a trade for us and he had good success right away, remember in 1998 we missed the playoffs by 1 game. also, did you forget johan santana? he was also a trade and had not been for the WORST BULLPEN in the history of NY he could’ve easily won 20 games+ and who knows if we would’ve made the playoffs.
JASON BAY sucks, and i will not get fool for him having a good week. he was not brought here to hit 240 and 10 home runs.