The way Minaya went about building the organization virtually ensured that there would be a logjam and then just to compound matters some of the younger guys who could obstensibly be on both the 25 and the 40 (helping up here and allowing us to protect a different prospect below) are hurt or otherwise not likely to help this year. Realistically Fern, Havens, Kirk and Mejia all could have had roles on the big club in 2012 but it just didn’t work out that way. Ratliff and Valdespin the same. Even Tejada could be in AAA and with so many roster spots going to guys for insurance in AAA (a Nickeas type catcher some starting pitching like Batista ect) we are really going to get crunched because everyone has to be pulled off the DL and placed on the 40 and there are going to be losses and if those losses are to protect a Josh Satin over say a Fern that could really hurt us big time down the road. You never know.

As for Pelfrey I’d tender him, pay him the 6 he doesn’t deserve and hope that Borass has cooked up some sort of off season plan that will position him for free agency and then let him go and hope to get a supplemental pick out of it. Same with Pagan. I really can’t see us getting anyone better than either of them and I can actually see both of them being plan B free agents with a good walk year.

2014 may seem like a long time off but at least there’s hope that maybe this time we’ll get it right.

CONSIDERING, MY ESTIMATION OF OUR BIGGEST PRODUCTIVITY, HANGDICAP $$$ INHIBITOR WAS TOTALLY IGNORED BY METSIE(THE INVESTMENT OF 25% OF PAYROLL IN ONE PLAYER WITH UNDETERMINED CONTRIBUTION LEVELS(SANTANA, $49.5M FOR UNKNOWN PRODUCTIVITY GUARANTEED FOR ’12+13) THAT 50,000,000 POUND GORILLA CERTAINLY CAN LOOM AS DEVASTATING TO PLANNING AS THE PEDRO 2007, 2008 SEASONS OF ON AGAIN, OFF AGAIN AVAILABILITY FOR GS. THAT CONTRACT, THE SOLE NYM OWNERSHIP BELONGING TO IT’S CREATOR, JEFF WILPON IS, IMO, THE CAUSE FOR MUCH OF OUR PITCHING WOES AS AN UPSIDEDOWN PYRAMID IS TO THE CONCEPT OF BALANCED APPROACH.
T, I MUST CAUTION YOU THAT AS, IN A VACUUM, IT’S ‘NICE’ TO CONSIDER PELFREY AS AN EFFECTIVE INNINGS EATING BACVKENDER, HIS REPRESENTATION BY BORAS, CERTAINLY WOULD SEEM LIKELY TO PRECLUDE HIS REMAINING A COST EFFECTIVE PITCHER @ THAT LEVEL.

we suck.

They own real estate and that doesn’t mean you LOSE money unless you decide to sell at a loss.

Wilpons do not buy and sell property to make money they buy and rent it to businesses who pay top dollar in rent each month to the Wilpons!

So no they don’t lose money!

They might be able to make more but it is unlikely they make any less than they did before unless their tenents actually go out of business!

Well Metfan, you would be very wrong in fact.

Just look at how many Latin players there are in the MLB. They are heroes in thier countries of origin!

And Latin Night at CitiField is almost ALWAYS sold out!

So your totally off track with your thinking.

And declining population doesn’t seem to affect the Yankees ability to sell out games.

Our attendance problems is due to two years of choking at the end followed by two years of injuries and people just decided not to spend until they saw some promise.

They got a little this year despite also having injuries and if they keep on fighting the way they have this year the fans WILL come back.

The only way to LOSE MONEY in Real Estate is to sell it for less than you bought it!
If you keep it and rent it out you haven’t lost a penny and since Rent hasn’t gone down and Property taxes haven’t really gone up (there is a 2% Cap on Prop Tax increases) they are not LOSING money in their business they are making plenty charging people higher rent despite not having higher Property taxes!

The team scores runs! All those come from behinds prove it!

We score a TON of runs but we also GIVE UP A TON!

This is why the focus for the most part is on the Bull Pen.
It has been the least consistent of all the team parts but it is amplified by the fact that our Startring Pitching seems to have issues holding anyone past the 5th and 6th Innings on a consistent basis.

How many times have the SPs given up 2 or 3 runs early only to have the team battle back for the lead that then gets squandered because the starter ran out of gas or the pen could not hold onto the lead they got?

How many games have we had a lead from the start and kept it?

The hitting has been such that being behind by 5 runs is not a big issue to overcome but once having overcome it we lose it to the pen giving up the lead again?

Look NO FURTHER than the number of Quality Starts given to us By RA Dickey that have turned to no decisions for him because the Pen blew the lead!

Sure this team has those days where NO ONE hits or gets the BIG hit (like yesterday!) but those are rarer than the examples where the team fought back and got a lead only to see it evaporate in the 6th inning on either by a gassed Starter or an overused Bullpen!

Capuano, Pelfrey, Gee and Niese all start off shakey (give up early 1 or 2 runs) then pitch great until the 6th where they give up another 3 or 4.
And if they don’t the PEN DOES!

So the focus this offseason HAS to be pitching and Pen pitching specifically!
And thats not 10Mil per year type opf spending! 2.5 mil is about the market for most Bullpen help that is not a closer.

There are no front line starters (10-15 Mil per) to be had save Oswalt and you would have to pay him Halladay prices to pry him from Philly! Simply not worth it!

We nhave to hope Santana can show some life and innings in his arm, and Niese can rebound and be more consistent. Hope Dickey finds a pot of luck to go with his pitching and try and make it through until all those kids in the Minors can make the jump.

Since there is no big names worth buying other than paying Reyes if they do that and can compete as well as they have this year we might just be poised to take over the division with a little luck.

And save another 5-13 start like we had this year we will not be 9 games out of the wildcard in July and maybe the fans will flock meaning even more money to spend in 2013!

But you are correct it’s not that we don’t score runs its that we give up more than we get!
And thats all about the pitching!

Would anyone do that? Dumber things have happened! LOL

You can’t waive him though…
Better would be to just pay his salary in a trade for something else cause you might get someone who plays in a AA HR hitters park that could get the numbers from him…

But I do agree once he leaves he will probably resurge as I think his issues are also mental, he has those walls in his head!

If for no other reason than to deal with the Murphy issue.

If Havens has a good showing in Spring and hits like Murphy, fields at least as well as Turner then both of those could be traded for something quite good.

Our filling problems for regulars are all about the CF and C positions which they could easily stand pat with a resign Pagan, Keep Thole.

2B will wait till Reyes gets sorted which can either make tejada/Turner expendable or relieve some of the logjam at 2B.

If Murphy wasn’t hurt he would likely play Winterball in the OF but I am not sure he will be able to do that now.

And without a position it will be difficult for him to get that bat into a game. Pinch Hitting is nice but not conducive to consistency for a hitter like Murphy. He needs to play!

Question is WHERE?