http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ES0AEiLomzo

He tried! Sandy traded him before he could!
K-Rod hired Boras to get it done…

You Got proof to prove otherwise? NO!
He DID try! Sandy wasn’t interested!
He being your MONEYBALL HERO!

Facts are the option wasn’t sold until after he was potentially demoted from closer to set up which also happens to be something we couldn’t do.

Does anyone really think the Mets wouldn’t have LEAPED at the chance to pay 500K to get out from under that 17 M option?

Anyone that thinks they wouldn’t have is dumber than a rock. No way K-Rod was giving up an almost guaranteed 2012 salary of 17 M.

What a pile of horse****.

Can you answer this question:

If he wanted to close and enter FA this year, then why didn’t he waive the option before he got traded?

K-Rod got rid of the option even after he didnt’t need to…

Which means he would have DEFINITLY agreed to get rid of it BEFORE he lost the chance to be a closer!

But Sandy traded him off before he could negotiate it away!

Sure I do because he got rid of it even after he didn’t need to anymnore the damange was already done!

If he got rid of AFTER he lost what he wanted then he most certainly would have gotten rid of it BEFORE he lost what he wanted!

Sandy didn’t give him the chance!

No you don’t, and neither do I. That’s merely what you think vs what I think. Him waiving his option in Milwaukee doesn’t prove what would have happened if he stayed with the Mets.

If he wanted to hit FA this offseason as a closer more than the option year, then why didn’t he waive the option before he got traded? That way he probably would have stayed with the Mets as the closer instead of being a setup man in Milwaukee. I don’t think I’ll need to say anymore except that t agee provided convincing argument on the reasons for the trade and waive of the clause on this thread:
http://metsmerizedonline.com/2011/08/three-things-off-my-chest.html

PROOF my man!

You have to PROVE he would not have gotten rid of it if he was still here and find a reason he would keep it!

Did he WANT to be a setup man? If yes then he keeps it!
If he wanted to remain a closer then he gets rid of it!

Which did K-Rod choose?
What was his WANT?

To be a closer so he would have gotten rid of it with us even FASTER than he got rid of it AFTER the trade because at least with us he would be ASSURED of getting what he REALLY WANTED!

Can you read? I said: “I don’t see why I have to prove it, considering it was MY OPINION which I supported with well argued evidence whereas you didn’t.”

“You know how I know?
Because he had LESS reason to give up the Option to the Brewers than he did for getting rid of it with us…

Because we had ALREADY TRADED him to a team that wasn’t going to use him as a closer!

And got rid of the option just the same!

He WANTED to be a CLOSER! Thats the only reason TO get rid of the option!”

You don’t know anything. That’s your speculation on what would have happened. You think he had less reason to get rid of the option with the Brewers than with the Mets. You think he wants to be the closer more than the 17M option. You have no definitive proof because you don’t know him.
What you said as reasons for waiving his option if he wasn’t traded is your own poor assessment of the situation, not fact.

Yet you seem to talk like YOU knew don’t ya?

You know how I know?
Because he had LESS reason to give up the Option to the Brewers than he did for getting rid of it with us…

Because we had ALREADY TRADED him to a team that wasn’t going to use him as a closer!

And got rid of the option just the same!

He WANTED to be a CLOSER! Thats the only reason TO get rid of the option!

SO he could stay a closer!

Since he got rid of it even after it was not worth getting rid of then it’s pretty much a slam dunk it would have been gone if only Sandy had tried!

If you think KRod would get more than 17M on the FA market this offseason, that’s your (very misguided) opinion. You don’t know what his interests are because you don’t know him. Most likely, he’ll wanted to the most money, which means the 17M option for one year and FA the next year is more attractive than trying to get that kind of money this offseason in a loaded market for relief pitchers. Again, you have proven absolutely nothing. You are the one who seems to be asserting his opinions as facts.

Because he signed a deal to get rid of the option once he got to a team he didn’t NEED to get rid of it!

He would have gotten rid of that option if he was STILL here because it’s in HIS best interests!

His interests is to hit FA AS A CLOSER!!!!!

Like I asked Tag I’ll ask you…
How many 14M set up men can you come up with?

THAT how I can prove he never would have made that 17M!

Because he didn’t want 17 MIL he wanted to be an FA CLOSER!

Can you prove that K-Rod wasn’t going to get paid 17M if he didn’t get traded? I don’t see why I have to prove it, considering it was my opinion which I supported with well argued evidence whereas you didn’t.

“Can you prove Beltran had no future here? Was it impossible to resign him?”

The fact that he was traded proved that the FO did not view him as having a future with the team.

“I didn’t put those words in your mouth you said them freely of your own free will!”

yes you did, you said that I stated my opinions as if they were facts, which is not evident from I said.

“YOU BELIEVE what you said was true but it is quite evident that it was not….”

Oh, so who’s claiming opinions as facts now?

ONE FACT used to support down…

Can you prove Beltran had no future here? Was it impossible to resign him?

FACT TWO used to support your argument down…

I didn’t put those words in your mouth you said them freely of your own free will!

YOU BELIEVE what you said was true but it is quite evident that it was not….

Are you so devoid of valid arguments that you are stooping to judging people on words that you put in their mouths?

PS. The highest paid relief pitcher is Rivera at $15M. Feel free to tell me KRod is worth more than Rivera.

YOU BELIEVE someone is being overpaid (as if your actually going to pay it or that by buying that player you can’t spend more as if there is some Salary cap in the MLB…

And the ONLY reason one is not in our FUTURE plans is becuase YOU TRADED HIM AWAY because you BELIEVE he wasn’t in our future plans!

No Facts just BELIEF!

I believe Jesus was right…I guess all Jews should give up and take my BELIEFS as FACT too right?

Is that what you are trying to say?
I BELIEVE so it must be FACT!

Well sorry I don’t believe what you believe…And all you have managed to do is FORCE your beliefs into fact by acting on THOSE BELIEFS!

Ike Davis playing 1B vs Murphy and Duda would have maybe gave the Mets 1 or 2 more wins. It doesn’t make enough of a difference this season.

If KRod wasn’t traded then he would have been the closer since he’s clearly the best arm in the pen, and he would have no reason to drop his vesting clause that pays him 17M next season.

LOL, Harvey and Holt are your 4th and 5th starters? Holt who has trouble finding the strikezone and is in the Binghamton bullpen? Stop kidding me. If everything goes well Harvey might be called up after the All Star break in 2012. You are depending on a rookie who won’t be on the team until July to be in your rotation? That’s your plan? You are out of your mind if you think that’s a 95 win team.

“(it’s not like 1B suffered such huge a dropoff with Murphy and Duda),”
WHich one of them hit 20 HRs?
Which one player error free 1st base?
Which one had the range of Davis?

You claim K-Rod would get paid 17 Mil…Well is he getting paid 17 Mil next year now?

“So who other than Santana, Niese, and Dickey fill the rest the rotation?”
Harvey and Holt? Whose going to be there under this Purging plan? Chris Young? The 5 Inning mastery of Chris Capuano? Is Wheeler going to be there?

Is your plan going to make us a 95 Win team next year?
If not then all those points your making are MOOT because My way we will AT LEAST be 7 games under .500 or BETTER. Your way we will be GUARANTEED a worse record than that because you got rid of anyone who was playing well enough to WIN games!

And Yes I’m saying he is worth more than Rollins.

Through Age 28 they were comparable you say.
Yet the Phillies didn’t ship him off and you WOULD have!

I’m not lost what is lost is your idea of what is ACTUALLY TRUE!

You claim the Phillies know what they are doing then propose the opposite. You say they buiolt from within yet only 4 players on their squad are actually drafted by them the rest are trades for players they COULD have drafted but didn’t! Even PASSED on them when they had the chance to draft them!

You calim MONEY is important, Moneyball WORKS and cite the Red Sox as PRACTITIONERS of your Moneyball ways then lament the high salary you have to pay Reyese BECAUSE of them!

You are so lost on so many fronts and so wrong on so many assesments and BELIEFS yet you still come every day and pontificate this Aesop fable regarding what has made successful teams despite the fact NONE of the teams you cite as an example have ever done EVEN ONE THING you have proposed!

yet you still use them as samples of what YOU propose to do!

You are most definitly lost dude!
Lost in a book that has NEVER worked and trying to FALSELY attribute others success to that failed plan!

Saving money has NEVER won a World Series….NEVER!

Not Oakland and certainly not anyone who has won it in the last 20 years!

Who just spanked our butts today?
What is their Payroll?
What is the Payroll of the Red Sox and Yankees?

Are they using your COST CONSCIOUS Hit the Pawn shop and Buy KMart ways!

NO! NONE OF THEM!

Yet day after day you use them as excuses to implement a plan that failed miserably 10 years ago and has been abandoned by EVERYONE except you!
(And Maybe Donal!)