he comes in when they are WINNING
not LOSING

Again you keep making decisions based on BELIEFS, MONEY, HOMERISH EMOTION and PHILOSOPHY, not BASEBALL!

Is jeter worth what he got? NO!
Is he a leader? YES!
So was Beltran!

If what you say is true then why isn’t Posada their starter as well?
He helped them win all those WS you mentioned too no?

Difference is they RESIGNED Jeter and still play him because they DID NOT have a replacement!
Posada they did…

Your just LOOKING for any string of excuse you can pull on to purge the team of all it’s good players!
You will actually be HAPPY when Reyes asks for Market Rate and MONEYBALLING lets him go!
Then Wright will be next (We already put him on waivers didn’t we?)

Funny how I have yet to hear you say dump Bay in a trade to save the money as he is the only one ACTUALLY not worth it!

Not a peep from you on that…
I wonder why?

And you think the way to fix that is to get rid of the one guy in the pen who was actually effective?

The Bullpen Sucks…Ok What do we do? Hey Boss I know…LETS MAKE IT WORSE!

Hey GREAT plan!
Besides its all about how great Port St Lucie’s team is,the MLB team is just trade fodder to build a great Minor league system!

The day a Met player who comes through the system plays a significant role in the Mets winning5 championships is the day I suggest they rename Citi Field after them and let them play until they are old and gray

The bullpen sucks because the bullpen sucks, that’s giving some supernatural powers to a guy that wouldn’t have even been in the game.

The bottom line is Bay is DONE. I don’t believe moving in the fences will help him. The man just can’t hit the heat like he used to. If we’re in rebuild mode, give me one good reason why this man should be on the team.

As for Jose Reyes, unless you can replace Reyes, you don’t let him walk. That does NOT improve the club. And I’m sorry, if you think you can take his money and spread it around on 4 average players, you’re the one that’s not being realistic. Reality states the Wilpons have not lost money to Madoff. They’re worried they have to give it back. Two totally different scenarios.

As for Wright, he switched positions after the Mets drafted him. He learned to play 3B as a Met. To suggest he can’t play 2B is inaccurate. Wright learned the fundamentals for 2B a long time ago. And given the chance to play 3B regularly, I’m sure Murphy could do an adequate job.

I’m not killing Alderson. He’s under orders to shave payroll from the top. I won’t hammer him for K-Rod and Beltran in theory, but I will hammer him for what he took back for them, especially K-Rod. My opinion is he could have received better quality.

Who I am hammering are the aforementioned trio of posters who continuously make themselves out to be Met fans with their own agendas. I believe Jessep dislikes Minaya for whatever reason. I’m not making any accusations. I just see an individual who makes highly IRRATIONAL arguments against players Omar Minaya placed on the team. Only he knows why he acts this way. I will let everyone else pass judgement. Here is what I see. Anyone affiliated with Minaya he thinks needs to go.

Agee thinks he can do a better job than Minaya. He believes he knows why the Mets have not won so he obsessively talks about the Met drafts as if he has the blueprint for success. It’s as anti-Omar as can be. What is his agenda? Again, that’s not up for me to decide. I will allow others make the assessment.

I think they’re not genuine individuals, that’s for sure.

You very mature adults sure do make up crap just to keep a stupid argument going.

Murphy has shown to be a defensive liability no matter where he is in the field. Wright has been playing third his whole professional career at a gold glove level at times. That switch makes no sense.

Alderson traded K-Rod because that option couldnot be picked up, there are too many holes on the team to tie up that money considering the Madoff situation and it’s possible impact on the payroll for future seasons. Deal with it, it had to happen.

Beltran was not going to be back after this season. Just the way it is. I am a huge fan of his time here with the Mets, he’s up there stat wise as one of the greatest Mets of all time. However, with a contract that does not allow an offer of arbitration Alderson got a potential top of the rotation starter. Considering the potential of Wheeler this was a deal that had to be made. If top talent wasn’t offered, keep Beltran and roll the dice. It was though, trade made.

Jose Reyes is a dynamic player…when he’s on the field. The leg injuries are a huge concern for a guy who relies on his speed. If you don’t like to hear that, I’m sorry it’s the truth. You can’t give a guy who hasn’t shown you in the past few years he can play a full season and is only getting older $20 million a season. Maybe in a wrld where the Madoff scandal wasn’t floating over the franchise. However, with a possibility that payroll may have to drop it’s not good business. If Reyes was healthy and playing 160 games a ear with this production he gets the money in a heartbeat. However, in the real world this ideal situation is a fantasy.

Whether or not Minaya deserved to go is up for debate. He turned the team around. Got us into the playoffs. Bad luck with injuries led to a few disappointing seasons. Ownership went in another direction. That’s life. Obviously the minor league system was not the train wreck people thought while Minaya was around. I’m glad, but that doesn’t change the expectations and results of the past few seasons.

To close, not everything is about race. Alderson is being prudent and evaluating the talent on the team. Don’t kill him before he gets a chance to do his job.

Beltran.the mets were fun and resilient to watch thru July . Losing Beltran didn’t help but, we got a topnprospect, a look at Duda and whoever else gets a call up in sept, and Beltran not in future plans, im totally fine w trade we weren’t making playoffs.

KRod. As much as his contract suxed, losing him sunk our season left a gapping hole in a weak bullpen. Good bullpens win more games in this league then good starting pitching IMO . The trade suxed, paid his contract and he waives his extension immediately. But Mets didn’t want him so I understand them getting rid of him. My only question is do they replace him next year or play small mkt? Because if they don’t replace him, I wish they kept him altho way overpaid he’s still effective enough closer.

Overall I think too many folks are obsessed w filling all our strting positions w our farm, i like following farm too, it’s rewarding and can be cost effective, but cost effective is only good if you are going to spend money to get best players in league. I want to win and pepper our team w the farm. Ihope Sandy can sign and trade for guys with a plan for the type of team he wants to build. As long as his plan is to actually WIN, not save money and not look smart signing decent guys on the cheap

After reading articles, message board posts, and chatroom diatribe, there is something that can be said about them. They all dislike Omar Minaya for their own ugly reason.

Amazing how Sandy Alderson does what Omar Minaya did, and we barely hear a peep from this amazingly comical trio.

There has been a desire and a sticktuitiveness to defend Alderson for getting rid of Beltran, and K-Rod. Jose Reyes should not be paid for a variety of reasons. Then they support their reasons by way of the almighty dollar REGARDLESS if it damages the team or not.

What I find MOST interesting is what happened when I suggested Jason Bay be simply CUT to pave the way for prospects to take over. There was a stark defense for Jason Bay. Why? Shouldn’t he be beheaded like Castillo and Ollie were?

It’s amazing how money was a problem with Castillo and Ollie, but Bay can stay and clog up a spot on the team because he is owed money. Why not just cut him and open up a roster spot for Duda in LF?

I also find it VERY interesting how David Wright is defended by this trio. Why aren’t the Mets shopping him? When I suggested MURPHY should return to his natural position (3B) and Wright should move to 2B (Wright played middle infield growing up), I was nearly beheaded. Didn’t Edgardo Alfonzo sacrifice like a good soldier and move from 2B to 3B for the betterment of the team?

Amazing agendas via each and every one of the aforementioned scenarios, ladies and gentlemen. Makes you wonder what is REALLY going on on this site……

Well if the Brewers could do it so could we!
A fact you seem to forget!

Ultimately it WAS about value though. K-Rod was merely an average closer. His success rate with the Mets was 83%. The average MLB closer is 85%. And K-Rod’s came with a real high wire act. He did usually get the job done I cannot say different but a 1.50 WHIP between walks and hits is far from ideal. Five more seeing eye hits and his success ratio is WELL below the average closer regardless of salary.

Kimbrell, Venters and many other guys making minimum. Call it moneyball if you want but it’s really allowing us to fill 2 starting spots in the rotation or get a whole bullpen or maybe even retain Reyes and sign a catcher.

No one can say that K-Rod didn’t live up to his deal from 2009-2011 but he was trending severely average and with as many holes as we have every year why not pay an average MLB salary for an average closer instead of top dollar for an average one and shore up some of our numerous weaknesses?

What reason would he have for getting rid of an option that with one injury could vest if it was really as important to him as you guys make it out to be when he was a met?

Why didn’t he just keep it when he moved?
Did he have 500K in moving expenses he needed the money for?
Or was it just the fact that he knows he LOST his closer job because he didn;’t tget it done before the trade and was so tired of the damn option and so much more concerned about being a closer that he decided being a closer is far better than getting paid 17Mil?

You guys defy logic you really do…
He got rid of it when he DID nOT NEED TO and you make it sound like he NEEDED to once he lost the closer job.

It’s Bull!

Why Sell it?

Because he didn’t care as much about 17 mil as YOU apparently do and wants to be a CLOSER!

We could have stopped using him and made him a setup man anytime we wanted!

What would be the punishment?
17 Mil?
If we made parnell the Closer we could easily say we did it because he is the future and then the Union would have to prove what we did was to avoid the money!

You act like retaining him for a year after accepting arbitration was going to cost us games…

Just another CHICKEN LITTLE Assumption made by the Moneyballers!

I tell you what I HOPE and PRAY sandy does what you want…

Cause by 2014 when he gets fired we will never have to hear about Oakland or Moneyball or stockpiling picks again because you will all be too embarassed to post your opinions for being exposed as CHEAP A$$ MINOR LEAGUE CENTRIC fools!

The option therefore with Milwaukee then became a hindrance, rather than leverage so he dumped it. “Sold” it because of CBA rules against giving up benefits in the hope that he would continue to be used as a closer and therefore subject to a far greater salary when he hit free agency in 2012.

Pure reaction to losing leverage. With Milwaukee that thing wasn’t going to vest AND he would have entered FA as a set up man. Dumping it mean’t the chance to continue to close and FA under both scenarios was just as well assured for 2012 whether he kept it or not.

Pure positioning for free agency in 2012 once he was traded and lost the leverage of the 17 M vesting option.