The Mets 40-Man Roster And Some Potential September Call-ups

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• METS62FAN August 15, 2011 at 9:21 am

  CRAIG, IF U R THAT EASILY EXCITED U MUST BE A CHEAP DATE…
  SCXHWINDEN APPEARAS, AT BEST TO BE A STANDIN QUALITY BEDORE ANY OF THE REAL FUTURE ARRIVES, SORT OD F A PAN B EMPLOYED BEFORE PLAN A FULLY FERMENTS

  I FULLY ANTICIPATE NEXT SEASON TO BE MORE OF THIS SEASON, ONLY WITH DAVIS,WRIGHT,REYES FOR LONGER HAILS AS I’M PRESUMING SANTANA’S CONTRIBUTION LEVELS WILL RESEMBLE THAT OF PEDRO IN ’07,’08, SORT OF A TEASE BEFORE THE MISERY WITH MULTYIPLE SHORT OUTINGS WITH LONG INNINGS .
  BTW, I’VE ALWAYS BEEN DEFINED BY OTHERS AS A COCKEYED OPTIMIST, MY ENTIRE LIFE.
  • t agee August 15, 2011 at 10:34 am

    Agree completely ’62. Basically whatever Minaya provided is what we’ll use and then fill in around with guys that won’t clog up the roster and choke the payroll and could be valuable at the trade deadline to infuse the system with some much needed high ceiling talent to add to what Minaya provided.

    It’s really the only way forward at this point. Spending #1 or #2 round draft choices will just set us back. We need those picks to pay off for us big time, for a long time. Maybe this year we could add a better candidate than a Young or Capuano and address the bullpen in a truly meaningful way.

    That and resigning Reyes are the most important issues. Davis and Santana’s health are out of our hands and I really wonder if Davis injury is ever going to heal. Surgery isn’t guaranteed to solve the problem either and being off his feet for 9 months can’t be doing his career any good. Santana could easily have a second year of starts and stops with his rehab. Wang did after undergoing the exact same procedure.

    Pagan and Pelfrey will probably be here for their walk seasons and with any good fortune we’ll be torn between getting draft pick(s) or entertaining a couple of interesting deadline proposals. I wouldn’t be surprised at all if they both wind up as type B FA’s.

    Tejada and Valdespin platoon at 2B and back up SS. Murphy backs up everywhere else. Duda performs OK-good in RF and at bat. Bay doesn’t suck. Mejia and Kirk come back from their surgeries early enough to re establish themselves in AAA. Familia has a strong season in AAA and 4 great starts in September. Harvey dominates AA, Wheeler A+ and a mid season bump to Binghamton. Lagares forces us to cut Bay loose for 2013, McHugh, Cohoon, Cruz, De La Torre, Edgan, Leathersuch give us bullpen options galore, Gorski, Puello, Vaughn, Den Dekker, Fulmer, Mazzoni, Tapia, Urbina, Morris roll We finally get a Major League capable catcher the pitching staff can actually pitch too.

    Those are the things I’m looking forward to. That and seeing Nimmo. Now go get him signed boys, a couple hundred G’s isn’t going to kill you.
    • Metsie August 16, 2011 at 12:57 pm

      Can you go a single day without trashing Omar? Or is it an obsession?

      Funny you trash any guy he had anything to do with but totally ignore all the guys he hit on which is actually MORE than what the Phillies hit on in the last 10 years if you don’t count the multiplayer trades for an aging pitching staff
  • MetsMan86 August 15, 2011 at 10:40 am

    That cockeye would explain the horrible spelling mistakes and not realizing you had CAPS lock on. Seeing what the kids can do is always some salvation of disappointing seasons.
    • t agee August 15, 2011 at 11:16 am

      ’62, as the senior man here, relies on the cap locks because he no longer sees the ball as clearly as he once did. We don’t mind that here because we prefer substance over style anyway.
      • srt August 15, 2011 at 11:26 am

        Just an FYI: As a fan since ’68, I’m probably not too far behind 62 fan.
        And I have to tell you, I normally skip over those posts b/c these old eyes have a very hard time trying to read those all CAPS responses.
        • METS62FAN August 15, 2011 at 12:38 pm

          SRT, WHAT’S 6 YRS OF CRUSHED TEENAGED DREAMS BETWEEN FRUSTRATED FRIENDS? SORRY U MISSED ASHBURN IN CF, McMILLAN @ SS, IMAGES OF VINEGAR BEND MIZELL PITCHING TO JOE PIGNATANO, CATCHING.
          PRIMARILY 6 YRS IN WHICH CHAMPIONSHIPS PAST OVERSHADOWED CHAMPIONSHIPS FUTURE AS THE NAMES OF THOSE U ENJOYED COME ’68(AGEE,BOSWELL,CHARLES, FRISELLA, GROTE, HARRELSON, CLEON, KOOSMAMN, RYAN, SEAVER, SHAMSKY, SWODODA WEIS) WERE PAID FOR BY THE TEARS OF DISAPPOINTMENT FROM THOSE OF US HOPING FOR PAST CHAMPION PHOENIXES ARISING MIRACULOUSLY FROM THE ASHES CHAIN SMOKED IN FRUSTRATION.

          OTYHER THAN THAT, SRT, THERE’S ABSOLUTELY “NO DISTICTION”
      • METS62FAN August 15, 2011 at 11:45 am

        T, THANKS FOR THE ATTEMPT; BUT HONESTLY, TODAY HAPPENS TO BE THE 19th ANIVERSARY OF MY POST-SURGICAL RIGHT HEMI CVA(STROKE) WHICH TOOK OUT MY LEFT SIDE MAKING ONE HANDED TYPING A MUST, CAPSLOCK A CONVENIENCE & I MUST TAKE FULL RESPONSIBILITY FOR TYPOS BEING CAUSED BY MY OCCASIONAL FAILURE TO PROOF PROPERLY; HOWEVER, AS WE’RE ALL SUPPOSED TO BE “FRIENDS” HERE WITH THE SINGULAR GOAL OF PREVENTING HEAD EXPLOSIONS & FANICIDES. LOL

        I GUESS I WAS NERGLIGENT IN NOT ACCOMODATING SOME PEOPLES’ NEED TO CRITICIZE EVEN WHEN THEY LACK COGENT IDEAS OF THEIR OWN TO ADD TO THE FORAY.

        T, FACT IS RESPONDING TO YOUR POINT ABOUT THE PROMINANCE OF SINGULARLY DIMENSIONED DRAFT SELERCTIONS SPECIALIZING IN 1B COVERAGE I WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT, MORE & MORE OF LATE, I’M HEARING OPPOSING CALLUPS DESCRIBED SIMILARLY AS “BATS WITHOUT OBVIOUS POSITIONS” SEEMS TO BE A PLAGUE CAUSED BY YRS OF DEFENSIVE NEGLECT BY THE MEDIA TYPES.

        AS TO YOUR CRITICISM Re ZERO C, OF DRAFT PICKS; PERHAPS BECAUSE IT APPEARS AS OUR INT’L SIGNINGS HAVE FOCUSED UPON PITCHING, CATCHING(FLORES), OUTFIELD(F-MART,GOMEZ) LESS EMPHASIS WAS FOCUSED THERE DURING ACTUAL DRDFT SELECTIONS

        I’M SPIT BALLING & DEFER TO YOUR EXPERTISE Re. DRAFT,MiLB,PROSPECTS, SHOULDAS & COULDAS.
        WONDER IF METS’BOY’86 FEELS LIKE THE TURD HE IS FOR HIS PETTY CRITICISMS, NOW TYHAT HE’S BEEN TOLD WHAT SHOULD NEVER NEED TO BE EXPLAINED. IT CERTAINLY WOULD BE REFRESHING TO EXCHANGE DIFFERING IDEAS IN A POSITIVE LESS CHILDISH(GOTCHA) MANNER WITH SOME OF THE MEMBERS RELATIVELY NEW TO THE SITE. I’M HOPING MANY READ THIS & REFLECT ON THEIR PURPOSE FOR VISITING IN THE FIRST PLACE.
        • t agee August 15, 2011 at 12:24 pm

          Well said as usual ’62. I had read a similar account of your reasoning for the caps lock from you before but didn’t feel the need to share that. In any event it is great to hear from you regardless of what size quill you write with.

          Interesting point about many other teams having the same situation. I really wasn’t thinking of it that way but perhaps your correct. To some extent positions have always had to be found for good hitters but is it more epedemic now? I don’t know. I tend to look at our competition. Heyward’s a RFer, Freemans a 1B, Zimmerman a 3B, Espinosa 2B, Ramos/Norris/Flores catchers, McCann the same. Stanton WAS a 1B in the draft never even once played an inning there in the minors. Harper was a catcher before the draft an never played an inning their again. RF only. Prado’s moved around a bit but not until after he established himself in the League and he’s certainly capable of playing 2B, 3B or LF from a talent standpoint.

          The Phillies had Jim Thome playing 1B and a hole in RF but they didn’t put Ryan Howard out there. Logan Morrison did play 1B almost exclusively in the minors but he didn’t shift back and forth as Murphy, Duda and Evans have. Course the Marlins didn’t have a 1B go down either.

          Dominick Brown played 3 times as much RF as CF and hardly any LF in the minors. Utley played a little 3B but mostly 2B. Reyes, Wright and Davis almost never played anywhere other than the positions we know them at in the minors.

          I think it’s more about trying to pigeonhole guys into a position where they can do the least harm at due to a lack of altheticism but still allow their bat to play.

          In other words trying to make up for drafting for slot selection first and trying to make it work with less talented or athletic players.

          That’s how we wind up with so many 1B/LF types.

          Still and all you may be right to some extent. Maybe defense was deempahsized during the steroid era and filtered down through the minors, college, HS, Legion, LL’s ect. Wouldn’t surprise me.

          Well at least we got the younger part right but we still have some work to do on the athletic part.
  • Original Met Fan August 15, 2011 at 4:03 pm

    62, while I usually agree with you, I must disagre with you on Schwinden and would ask you to defer judgement until we get a chance to see him. By all accounts he seems to be the classic late bloomer and he had dominated the leaderboards in a very pitching heavy International League. Let’s see what he’s got. I’m hoping he get a fair ahot and I’m excited to get a look at him myself.
    • METS62FAN August 16, 2011 at 8:14 am

      OMF, I’M RELATIVELY CERTAIN SCHWINDEN WILL GET AMPLE OPORTUNITY TO JOIN THE BRIDGE BUILDERS(THOSE ROTATION MEMBERS BRIDGING THE CHASM OF 2Y STILL NEEDED TO FULLY FERMENT THE BEST OF OUR FUTURE aka HARVEY,FAMILIA,WHEELER.

      WITH NIESE, GEE, SANTANA, DICKEY, PELFREY, BEATO, MEJIA, SCHWINDEN THE CONSTRUCTION MODULES FOR THE ROTATIONS OF ’12,’13 WILL BE IN PLACE AS IT’S HIGHLY UNLIKELY, IMO, THAT OWNERSHIP WILL STRETCH ON TIPPY-TOES TO REACH THE TOP SHELVERS AVAILABLE ON THE OPEN F/A MKT AS WE CONTINUE ALDERSON’S DESIGN OF EXPANDING THE TALENT PYRAMID FROM THE DEVELOPMENT SQUARE BASE, NOT THE TRIANGULATED TOP LEVELS OF THE APEX(ACTIVE 25) AS PRACTIVCED SINCE ’02.

      I PERSONALLY LOVE THE NEW MODEL; I HAVE THE NECESSARY PATIENCE, WHO ELSE DOES?

      IMMEDIACY?

      ALDERSON’S MOST IMMEDIATE CHALLENGES ARE ONLY 2:
      #1 RETAIN REYES!!!
      #2 REBUILD THE PITCHING STAFF!!!

      TWO THIRDS OF OUR MOST RELABLE PEN ARE LIKELY TO BE ABSENT FROM THEIR CURRENT ROLES COME NEXT SEASON, BEATO RECONVERTED BACK TO SP DURING WINTERBALL & ST(MiLB?) & POTENTIALLY IZZY’S RE-RETIREMENT WITH HIS 300th FILLING HIS BACK POCKETS

      RECONSTITUTING A RELABLE PEN WHILE CREATING A SUSTAINABLE FRONT 5 ON A CONSERVATIVE BUDGET IS UNLIKELY TO SUPPLY ANY NOTABLES FOR FANS TO GET EXCITED OVER; HOWEVER FIELD PERFORMANCE MUST NOT BE ALLOWED TO DETERIORATE FURTHER.
• Petey Pete August 15, 2011 at 9:31 am

  Lutz is “not a gifted fielder”, and Satin is “a notch below Daniel Murphy in terms of defensive skill”? And we need more of these Omar guys who can’t play any defense because why?
  • kevin August 15, 2011 at 9:49 am

    If you want to knock the guy’s defense feel free, but why say Omar’s guys? How bad were Sandy’s guys Chin-lung Hu and Brad Emaus on defense? How good is Ike Davis on defense? And since when does defense matter with Alderson who downplays it every chance he gets? You want to say those particular players are bad defensively, go for it. But to say Omar’s guys just shows you are looking to start a new flame war on Sandy vs Omar.
    • alex68 August 15, 2011 at 9:52 am

      there’s no war, we all know so far, omar has got the upper hand, i mean, in his first season the mets finished 83-79.. justsaying…
      • Pat August 15, 2011 at 12:17 pm

        In 3rd place, so what difference doesn’t it make, still a losing season.
      • JohnN August 16, 2011 at 7:44 am

        Upper hand? There is no upper hand when you still lose the season. Keep dreaming
      • Donal August 16, 2011 at 9:06 am

        Yes, Minaya has one more playoff appearance in 6 years than Alderson has in 6 months with the Mets.
    • Pat August 16, 2011 at 7:43 am

      In Ike Davis’s short tenure as a Met – his defense has been very good. You are part of the club I see, making up lies about Alderson, show me EVERY CHANCE HE GETS to downplay defense. Show me a link to every time he said that.

      I love how people are now resorting to making up lies to bash Alderson while pumping up a GM that didn’t get the job done.
  • Donal August 15, 2011 at 9:49 am

    You got someone better?

    Besides, what can it hurt to see what they can do on the big league level?
    • Petey Pete August 15, 2011 at 11:22 am

      I think we have enough guys that match that description already. And I’m sorry if I hurt anyone’s feelings, but they were Omar’s guys. When SA brings in bums, I will be the first one to say so. If I say something that people interpret as “degrading” to Omar’s legacy, I don’t mean it to be a knock on Omar. History speaks for itself. If I say something people that like Omar think is a rip at him, well that’s your opinion. But if I do say something like that, don’t for a minute think I’m trying to build a case for how SA is so wonderful, cause I am not. I am in a wait and see with Mr. Alderson, as they say, the jury is still out! Just as the jury is still out to an extent, with Omar. He still has his contributions, all over this franchise and it will be a long time before we can accurately critique his tenure. SA has certainly brought in some guys that make you scratch your head. Like the aforementioned Emaus and Hu, who by the way, he didn’t give up anything to get those guys here, all he traded for Hu was a frozen pizza and a dozen used baseballs. And Emaus cost $25,000 to take a peak at, at a time when there was no clear cut candidate to play 2B and the guy at the top of the depth chart was named Luis Castillo. As for Satin and Lutz? Seriously? I have been following these guys careers since college. Lutz intrigues me because I have seen him hit, and he’s really really good. However, his constant injuries, have decimated his feet and ankles, he has no speed, no range. I would definitely give him a shot as a back-up 1B, a pinch hitter, and that’s about it. You simply cannot rely on this guy for anything else. Now for all you guys that think I’m bashing Omar, I’m sorry, I’m trying to tell it like it is. As for Satin, I’m all for making him a September call-up, I think that would be great! Seriously. But to expect that he is suddenly going to “blossom” as a utility man is crazy cause he will cost you more games with his glove than he could ever win with his bat. And we are already trying to find a place for Daniel Murphy to play, and Duda, how many bad fielders do you want to run out there at the same time anyway? But, back to Satin, I would entertain him as a future pinch hitter, what else can I tell you?
      • Donal August 15, 2011 at 11:59 am

        I’m not trying attack or defend either Minaya or Alderson. I’m just saying, what can it hurt at this point to give them a shot?
  • jdon August 15, 2011 at 12:14 pm

    I didn’t know there was “a notch below” Daniel Murphy
    when it came to fielding.
• t agee August 15, 2011 at 10:02 am

  There can really only be one explanation of why every single Met draftee must have 1B in his resume. Because they don’t figure to stick defensively anywhere else.

  Versitilty is good but this is ridiculous. The only guys we’ve drafted who’ve made it up here that DON’T have exposure to 1B are the pitchers. Even our catcher Josh Thole spent two years in the minors learning how to play 1B.

  Thole, Evans, Murphy, Satin, Duda, Lutz, all 5th – 13th rounders all considered to play 1B. Why? Well it sure isn’t because they were considered likely to win gold gloves elsewhere I’ll tell you that much.

  The high end talent that can both hit and play defense is found by enlarge in the first 3 rounds of the draft. Those are the guys you don’t have to hide at 1B. LF is another position guys get “exposure” to because they don’t have the talent to play RF, CF, SS but none of them are even good at any defensive position. Their just trying to be fit in anywhere and then to top it all off one of only two #1 draft choices we spent on position players went to a first basemen and then we signed a free agent LFer so what do we do with all these guys that have some use but no where to use them?

  From 2005-2010, a six year period we spent,

  No 1st or 2nd round picks for catchers and only one 3rd round pick.

  No 1st round picks for OFers in six years and only one #2 and one #3.

  Two #1 picks for free agent closers and a supplemental round pick, two 2nd round picks and three 3rd round picks on relief pitchers.

  That’s EIGHT 1st-3rd round picks on the bullpen (for 6 spots and approximately 50 innings per year per reliever)

  Is it really any wonder how we wind up with first basemen and third basemen at corner OF and catcher?

  During that same time period we spent a #1 pick (Alou) and #2 (Bay) and a #3 (Beltran) to address the dearth of OFers provided during the Phillips Duquette error.

  Those two combined to draft ZERO catchers in the 1st-3rd rounds over a seven year period.

  They also combined to draft only four OFers in the 1st-3rd rounds over a seven year period.

  Phillips also spent three #2 picks on OFers after the fact. Cedeno, Cameron and Floyd who predictably left nothing behind when their tour of duty here was finished.

  Can anyone see a corelation between no good homegrown catchers or out fielders and our draft strategy over the prior 13 years?

  How about a correlation between the 5th-13th round and not being able to play defense?

  How can you spend so many early round draft choices (2 #1′s, a Supp pick, two #2′s and 3 3rd rounders) on the bullpen and so little for your starting eight position players?

  Who on this team can you just pencil into an everyday starting spot and just leave them there? Wright (supp round #38) Reyes (IFA) Davis (1st round #18) Pagan (4th round)

  These other guys all get switched around from day to day to avoid over exposure and see where their glove will do the least harm. It really is a joke the way this team has been run under the entire span of the Wilpon error going all the way back to 1987, their first season as full 50% partners.
• James K. August 15, 2011 at 10:14 am

  Is this player info just copied and pasted from Rubin’s post?
• sarge August 15, 2011 at 11:55 am

  Amen 62

  What about Captain Kirk, any chance he is healthy and get a look cause seeing another year of Pagan and his inconsistencies is not good for the mind.
  • Donal August 15, 2011 at 11:56 am

    Kirk’s torn labrum not only cost him this year, but they can spend up to a year trying to get his mechanics back.
• sarge August 15, 2011 at 12:27 pm

  Thanks for info Donal
• Derek C. August 15, 2011 at 10:20 pm

  Adam Rubin Rules!