The alternative in your method is keep Beltran, and keep a slim chance at making the playoffs from getting slimmer

My method gets you a highly touted pitching prospect, something you have very few of. In fact, something this FRANCHISE has had very few of. Who was the last homegrown #1 the Mets had? Doc? If he and Harvey hit close to their ceiling they could be the best 1-2 punch this franchise has seen in a very long time.

I’ll take the prospect over a guy who is leaving in 2 months any day.

If Beltran’s contract had allowed the Mets to get Compensation MAYBE I see your side. But I think his value would have gone UP on the trade market.

At the end of the day, the Mets needed the Braves, Brewers, Cardinals, Giants, Diamondbacks to STOP playing playoff caliber baseball and at the same time needed to START playing playoff caliber baseball for your way to work for the better of the franchise.

All I need is a young pitcher to develop as many think he should for my way to work.

I’ll take my odds over yours sorry.

In one breath you say we need to do it like the Phillies and Braves and then admit they never HAD to do it or even had the opportunity to do what you suggest as the proper course of action yet they managed to do it anyway didn’t they?

So while your marketing of your proposal mentions that we need to do what the Phillies and Braves did they never actually did it did they?

So your campaign is false advertisement. If we want to build our team the way they did then we should keep our good players (resign them when possible) and do it the way they did not the way you CLAIM they did but truth is they didn’t do!

You keep saying Beltran was gone after the season, Is there a clause in his contract that said we could not resign him?

Phillies resigned Rollins didn’t they? Resigned Uggla!

They kept their best players around!
We should have as well!

You would rpefer to trade them for prechewed given up on the the team who drafted them prospects.

Not what Phillies and Braves did!

But your plan may EVENTUALLY lead to us being able to do what they did…
Because the way you want to sell off all the good players for a baseball America listing we will suck for a decade and then be able to draft the cream of the crop the way the Braves and Phillies did when THEY sucked…

But Sandy won’t live to see that day!
10 Years from now is a long time to stay employed on a team that is in last place for 10 years running!

So with your rant here, you’re saying the Mets should have kept Beltran and if they missed the playoffs then oh well at least they didn’t trade Beltran?

What has trading Oswalt done for the last place Astros?
Answer: Kept them in last place but improved a terrible farm system?

What did trading Halladay do for the Blue Jays?
Answer: Well in 2009 they won 75 games with Halladay and in 2010 they won 85 games. So… not really a great example for you.

“And despite what Mr “Make Facts” says I have no problem building up the Minors the way it SHOULD be done…Via the draft!” —- You understand that trading for prospects gives you a 1-2 year jump start on this right? There’s only a draft once per year and the odds that you can build an entire competitive team through the draft are slim. Especially if you intend on competing in the big leagues.

“Not by mortgaging the good players you DO have in the hopes of three lottery tickets.” — So instead you let the player leave your franchise and get nothing for him? What good is that?

And why are you yelling about how the Phillies built their team through the draft, but then admitting they did so by being terrible for years. Is that what you want?

Neither sold off one of their BEST players to stock the Minors. They simply traded the crap they missed out on to get what they missed originally!

They COULD have just as easily drafted Halladay they had a shot at him when he was drafted and passed! Same for Lee if I’m not mistaken. Polanco was another guy they didn’t think worth drafting and then went after him when they could.

In no cases did they trade one of their best players to fill that MiL squad. They did by trading youth they had no room to play and getting someone they DID have room for!

Phillies? Braves? Yankees? Any of them?

As for what they lose from here on out it’s not about the losses it’s about the notion that you LEARN how to win and never give up!

An attitude that could have carried over NEXT year if they at least won cosistently this year and it was ingrained in them what it takes to win by PRACTICE and GOOD RESULT!

Now they will fight hard and lose because they don’t have Beltran to show them how to maintain their stroke, maintain their focus and to give them that boost in hitting that would make the effort successful!

SO you didn’t answer my question…Who was the BEST PLAYER traded from Phillies and Braves Roster to get them that two year head start you THINK you got from Wheeler?

“Just ask Billy Beane even HE has abandoned that plan Jessup would like to put into place!”

Tell me, which plan would I like to put into place? I can’t wait to hear this.

Can I ask (try to not flame me) when is it okay to trade a player? I mean you keep saying that trading Beltran was quitting… fine, that’s your view. But then at what point is it okay to trade

– A 34 year old free agent who has battled knee problems, and your team will receive no draft pick compensation for him when he signs with another team

I just want to know what your line is. You say the Mets quit by trading for Wheeler which frankly is ludicrous to me. But fine, WHEN is it acceptable to have made that move?

What makes this place UNPLEASANT is people making up stories and inflicting them on the readers who are then FORCED to go check those facts in order to find out YOUR FULL OF IT!

We didn’t quit when Alou missed half the 2007 season, we resigned him for the following year.

We didn’t quit when Maine and Perez tanked in 2009. We kept them in our starting rotation for 2010.

We didn’t quit when we traded Bobby Bonilla away, we got him back.

We didn’t quit when Kevin Appier disappointed. We traded him for Mo Vaughn.

We didn’t quit when Carlos Delgado got hurt, we picked up Mike Jacobs.

We didn’t quit when Carlos beltran got hurt, we traded for GMJ.

We’ve signed 13 FA’s since 2000 that cost us draft choices and all we’ve gotten going forward was from Hampton (Wright and Heilman) and Glavine (Davis and Holt) Wagner (Chris Carter) and Olerud (Phillips blew both picks) Everyone else left behind nothing sustainable on into the future.

Even guys we traded for Piazza, La Duca, Delgado, Leiter, Francouer, Putz, Greene, Schneider, nothing. That’s why we keep hitting these valleys.

Stockpile the Minors by trading what GOOD you have instead of drafting them like the Phillies and Braves did who KEPT their best players around to show those kids the ropes when they were ready!

When is it ok to trade a player (GENERIC?)
When you have someone BETTER to replace him!
And no longer need him!

What has trading Oswalt done for the last place Astros?
What did trading Halladay do for the Blue Jays?
Are either a better team today than they were when they had those guys?

Are they really going to be?

And despite what Mr “Make Facts” says I have no problem building up the Minors the way it SHOULD be done…Via the draft! Not by mortgaging the good players you DO have in the hopes of three lottery tickets.

As I said in one of my fan posts, Beltran meant more to the youth we currently have and gave them a half a chance to win if they kept the fight up. If they did that for a full 3/4ths of a season they might not need Beltran next season to keep it up as it will be INGRAINED in them!

You want to develop using only MiL coaches but developing Youth on the Major league level is ultimatly MORE IMPORTANT! Because their success will be AGAINST MLB talent not some career MiL pitching and not ready for prime time fielding!

In MLB ball parks not those Minor league bandboxes that will inflate numbers that won’t persist in CitiField!

You use the Phillies and Braves as examples of what you want to do. But the Phillies (other than Cliff Lee) did not trade A SINGLE GOOD PLAYER on the MLB squad to get the players they got! Neither did the Braves!

They DRAFTED their core and went and got role players with the scraps they missed on! And did it by sending multiples for guys like Lee Oswalt and Halladay! Not by selling off a Rollins for a bushel of kids! And in relation to Beltran all we got was ONE kid!

The ONLY player who was Prime Time MLB that Philly ever traded for Kids was Scott Rolen! Thats was LONG BEOFRE they had a hint of thier core. And that trade did not result in them getting even ONE player from that core!

You want to build up the Minors the way the Phillies and Braves did then I am with you…But do you even know how they did it?

They did it by SUCKING for a decade! Picking at the top of the heap in EVERY round of the draft and therefore getting the cream of the crop for a decade or more!

Not by trading away their best players for someone elses drafted given up on crap!

You basicaslly want to feast on pre-chewed steak!
I prefer to slaughter the cow myself, take them in the draft by doing good scouting and evaluation, Developing them properly and then when they get to the MLB have some GOOD PLAYERS with some semblence of LEADERSHIP (LIKE Beltran, LIKE Rollins) to help continue that development on an MLB level so that the learning never stops untill THEY TOO are veteran leaders able to help the next kid who comes up!

Does that sound like Checkbook GMing to you?
Does that sound like mortgaging the now for the later?
Or does that sound an awful lot like what the yankees, Phillies and Braves did during the decades everyone thought they were the team to beat?

Yeah Made stuff up!

That trade of Mazzili for Darling and Terrill was very similar to the Beltran deal.

Much more similar than you will ever admit.

And thats just from this posting. You like to make stuff up constantly.

He stopped readig because he knows he can’t prove a damn thing he has said today!

But what should we expect from a QUITTER?

He can’t maintain the pace and has to lie about what others say.