Mets Notes: Mets Sweep, Davis Decision Looming, Johan Could Pitch For Mets Next Weekend

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• NJstuckinTX August 30, 2011 at 9:26 am

  Is it just me or does anyone else not want Johan to pitch this year. Get that shoulder healthy. Do not push it too quickly.
  • alex68 August 30, 2011 at 9:34 am

    we need to find out whether he’ll be healthy or not for next season, i was against it as well, but i think the f/o is just trying to see how he pitches to evaluate what we do in the offseason, depending on how he does we can either make a trade for a bonafide pitcher to fill in for santana, or we can sign the chris young’s and capuano’s on free aganecy.. that’s my opinion..
    • kevin August 30, 2011 at 9:41 am

      As long as he can pitch, I see no reason why he shouldn’t. I think it would be worse going all offseason without knowing if he could pitch in 2012. If he could finish this season by proving he is back, I think it makes us move forward.
    • NJstuckinTX August 30, 2011 at 9:52 am

      Understood. I’d rather see him play in winter league or something like that. Not being a doctor or playing one on TV, I really have no educated response to saying what is best for his shoulder, but I would think as the shoulder takes longer to recover (if at all) than an elbow, the more time the better.

      But i do understand both your (and Kevin’s below) posts about wanting to see what we’ll get out of him for next year. Figuring Niese, Dickey, Gee, probably big Poof and then 1 last starter starter, I would still look to sign a Cap or someone similar that can slide into a BP role or be a 5th starter and figure maybe that Santana owns a spot in the rotation or if he can’t go, you’re prepared to go on from there. Plan for the worst, hope for the best.
      • alex68 August 30, 2011 at 9:59 am

        maybe that is the whole thing, we all know gee, dickey and niese will be back, having a healthy santana can spare us to have pelfrey in the rotation, if santana is a no go, we cannnot go into next season having pelfrey and another bum… is not like niese or dickey are lights out, we cannot go into the season again having 3 number 3′s, a number 5 and mike pelfrey in the rotation.. specailly having the kind of mediocre bullpen we have
        • any August 30, 2011 at 10:13 am

          couple of points to this

          1- you really have to assume (plan for) Santana not making it out of ST. Hopefully he will, but regardless of what he does in a couple innings this September, as Tx said you plan for the worst. Way too easy getting burned by assuming he will be fine and not having a solid plan B.

          2- Thank goodness it won’t be the same BP next year! Probably going to be at least 4 new guys. No guarantee they will become a dominant force, but BP arms tend to be erratic anyway, so you never know.
          • alex68 August 30, 2011 at 10:36 am

            as long as those guys are not carrasco, thayer, byrdak and boyer.. i am all for it..
• Denver Mets Fan August 30, 2011 at 9:35 am

  I don’t mind him making a start or two or even coming out of the pen th gauge where he’s at. Of corse keep him on a very strict pitch count. It’s not like the Mets are playing are playing for anything, so why not.
• OmarFan August 30, 2011 at 10:09 am

  People are being overly cautious with Santana’s injury. The surgery was a year ago. The only way to build up his arm is by pitching. No one will care if he pitches 0 run ball or is shellacked for 15 runs. Just get your work in. If it’s at the major league level, so what? If the shoulder bothers him, he has the entire winter to keep working it out. He isn’t going to shred his shoulder pitching next week.
  • Metsie August 30, 2011 at 12:46 pm

    Yes your right on pointing out that the only way to build up arm strength is to pitch.

    But you do understand exactly how Muscles are built up right?

    It is not the WORK that builds up the muscles it is the rest between the work where the muscle mass is built (or rebuilt)! (Known Medical fact!)

    Even a healthy arm has a hard time with the stress of a 162 game season.
    The point with not RUSHING Santana is it is not about him pitching this season. It is about NOT pitching Winterball which will reduce the rest an arm normally needs in the offseason to be able to withstand a 162 game schedule (granted he doesn’t pitch all 162).

    I have no issues with them giving Santana a game to test out his arm and see where he is at against MLB hitters.

    But I do not support him pitching in Winter league because it would require him to pitch for almost an entire year straight after coming off injury.

    If he does pitch in Winterball then it should not be on a regular 4 day rotation and not go much past 4 or 5 innings per start. I would not let him complete the season either and make sure he had a good two months of rest doing his normal offseason regimen so that he can come in fresh in Sprint Training.

    Sanatana is an ALL OUT pitcher. And I just feel we need to protect him from himself here.
    We owe him a lot of Money and we don’t need to pay another guy big bucks who is useless!
    Thats what Bay is for!
• Donal August 30, 2011 at 12:15 pm

  I think it should also be noted that Darin Gorski won Pitcher of the Year for the FSL