Gorski Hurls Five Shutout Innings After Winning FSL Pitcher of the Year

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• Brian August 30, 2011 at 4:48 pm

  What, no Wheeler updates today??? Just kidding, it’s nice to know we have other pitchers dominating in single-a and being named pitcher of the year. This is a pretty big homor when you consider all the top prospects Gorski beat out and outpitched.
• Lifelongmetsfan August 30, 2011 at 6:02 pm

  Hey I have an idea. Lets turn Gorski into a closer, then 3 weeks later .switch him back to starter….. then wait opps. changed our mind.. back o the bullpen……. a few weeks later.. nah, we need him to start.. …… …… “CLuuuuu-uNK!, OUCH!” …… MRI is in…
  This kid needs tommy-john surgery!
  PLEASEEEEEEEEEEEE! Mets Don”t screw this kid up! Just let him develop slowly! PLEASSSSSSSSSeeeeee!
  • Mr North Jersey August 30, 2011 at 6:23 pm

    Nice use of a onomatopoeia.
  • JoeD 1966 August 31, 2011 at 3:58 am

    Thats what they did to him in the minors earlier but hee seems locked into the starters role.Closer is something I thik is in Mejia’s future. Josh Edgin a closer has also had a breakout season.
• OmarFan August 30, 2011 at 8:01 pm

  THIS is the best pitcher we have @ St Lucie. Unfortunately, the media is giving lap dances to Alderson for his Wheeler trade. A bag of hype gets the props, while this strong lefty who needed to harness that little quirky thing lefties always go through, just did his thing all season long.
  • JoeSmith August 31, 2011 at 7:08 am

    Are you really that ignorant or just that hateful and jealous?

    Lap dances, keep making crap up.

    Wheeler thing is new, happened in a trade, a recent one, hence it’s in the news.

    Grow up
    • OmarFan August 31, 2011 at 7:27 pm

      Why is it hate? Gorski had nice write ups a few years ago. Despite having issues, the stuff was there. And lefties usually take longer to develop for one reason or another. The media, and this site specifically, is giving Wheeler ridiculous coverage. That’s despite the fact the kid that’s done nothing in his minor league career to deserve it. It’s what it is, I guess.
      • JoeSmith September 1, 2011 at 7:44 am

        The point it, you’re a child, it was a good article, why do you have to bring up Wheeler at all in the comments and make immature comments about a lap dance?

        You don’t like the coverage move on. NO ONE is holding a gun to your heard making you read the BLOGS. Many do not its ridiculous coverage of something that only happened a few weeks ago.
  • any August 31, 2011 at 9:29 am

    well, in the minors (especially the lower ones) the projections are only partly based on results. They also take into account perceived ceiling.

    So, you can get a guy like Cahoon (think that is the one) that can dominate at lower levels with average stuff (with control, smarts, etc.). But, the scouts look at him and predict at higher levels, he won’t be as successful.

    Or, you get a kid with great stuff that is still learning to harness it, the nuances of pitching, etc. the results might not be as pretty, but he can be predicted to have a higher ceiling. And those are the guys that usually get rated higher on the lists.

    Once you get to the majors of course, then only results count, even if you can’t figure out how a guy is getting the job done!
  • t agee August 31, 2011 at 10:22 am

    That’s the attitude. Turn a positive about one kid into a negative about another, and all just to bash the new GM while your at it.

    I guess this is what passes for intelligent baseball commentary here on Metsmerized.

    Keep rooting for Omar’s guys and against Sandy’s all you want to but what are you going to do when some of Alderson’s kids get up here? Root against them?

    Like everything written by this poster, this comment was agenda driven to the point that he can’t even express happiness for the kid who won the award and only posted to criticize the new administration and one of the kids they got back in a trade.

    Hold on here people, Minaya was here for 6 years as GM. His primary strength was considered to be young talent evaluation. He was best known for scouting and signing as teenagers Ivan Rodriguez. Juan Gonzalez and Sammy Sosa. He should have some talent working its way up the ladder by know and Gorski is a pretty good example of just that although his first 2 years (in Brooklyn and Savannah) he didn’t have the results he’s had this year. Whether that was due to working on things (which is what you do in the minors) or he’s found something this past off season who knows, just be happy for the kid.
    • alex68 August 31, 2011 at 10:39 am

      Keep rooting for Omar’s guys and against Sandy’s all you want to but what are you going to do when some of Alderson’s kids get up here? Root against them?”

      funny, isn’t what some of the saberheads in here are doing??? rooting for the nimmo and wheeler while sh***** on the tejada’s, turner’s gee’s and other omar’s players???
      • Donal August 31, 2011 at 10:42 am

        Not at all. Turner, Tejada and Gee are serviceable role players.

        And what’s a saberhead?
        • alex68 August 31, 2011 at 10:54 am

          maybe not you, which i hardly doubt you haven’t sh**** but many here are not happy with what omar got us in the minors

          saberhead: a guy who loves alderson, sabermetrics and moneyball..
          • Donal August 31, 2011 at 11:11 am

            Omar did a lousy job building the farm. Are there some guys worth watching from his tenure? Sure. But, the over all system is far behind.

            By the way, Turner isn’t one of Minaya’s prospects. He was drafted by the Reds and traded to the Orioles and then picked up off waivers by the Mets last year, at which point Minaya locked him in Buffalo as roster filler.

            And your definition of saberhead says way more about you than those you attempt to deride.
          • JoeSmith August 31, 2011 at 12:27 pm

            So if a sabrehead is: a guy who loves alderson, sabermetrics and moneyball

            so that must mean a MORON is: a guy that loves Omar and wishes he was back wasting money on garbage, and misusing words sabermetrics and moneyball
      • JoeSmith August 31, 2011 at 12:24 pm

        WOW – again, making up crap

        Who is rooting against ANYONE? Show me where anyone is rooting against them, PROOF, do you know what that is?

        Don’t we want ALL men with Mets across their chest to succeed.

        Just by calling people “sabreheads” proves the point.
    • OmarFan August 31, 2011 at 7:33 pm

      I’m not rooting against anyone. I’m just ready to join the thong parade for Zach Wheeler. There’s a distinct difference. Zach Wheeler had more articles written about his starts since we acquired him than Gorski has had all season.

      I’m sure there are quite a few media members, both on this site and across the board, that want to see Alderson succeed for their own reason. The fire Omar parade began with the Adam Rubin incident. Exaggerating every single thing Alderson does for the Mets is pretty pathetic. The fact that THIS SITE ignored Gorski for most of the season is what’s pretty much an agenda driven motive that I won’t bother to get into.

      Happy the Mets recognized him. In my eyes, he’s the truth @ A ball. So far, Wheeler is more myth and hype than he is substance. Wish the media would catch up to current events instead of driving the agenda-mobile.
      • XtreemIcon August 31, 2011 at 8:33 pm

        Wheeler only made the news because he was traded for Beltran six weeks ago. Forgive the site for paying more attention to him than a guy that was drafted two years ago by a GM no longer in the organization. Not to mention the lack of “substance” Wheeler has was a lot better than the “truth” Gorski had while Gorski was pitching in a lower league.

        A guy who hides behind the name “Omarfan” has no right to speak about other people’s supposed agendas.
        • OmarFan September 1, 2011 at 11:01 am

          Xtreem when the site puts up photos, then we will ALL see what the other looks like. Aren’t we all “hiding” if that’s the case? And what does Gorski’s success have to do with who is GM? So Wheeler gets a HUGE write up because Alderson traded for him? Thanks for proving YOU have an agenda. We’re supposed to read stuff about SUCCESSFUL prospects. Two years ago, Omar talked about Gorski’s skill level and how he was someone who should be watched. Omar looks good so far.

          Amazing how this site reacts when someone decides to support Omar Minaya. Like a collection of whining little kids.

          My name says it all. I was a HUGE Omar supporter. At least have the BALLS to say WHY you didn’t like Omar. Until then, you’re the guy who has an agenda.
      • t agee August 31, 2011 at 9:36 pm

        Yeah, I’m sure you were praising Gorski to the high Heavens while he was posting high 4 + ERA’s in Brooklyn and Savannah (at an age older than most of his competition)

        Until this year Gorski looked for all the world as a 7th round bust. Sure you keep working him but a 22 year old who struggled, to put it mildly, in Low A isn’t someone who’s going to get a lot of press.

        I’m sure this will upset you but Wheeler, as a 21 year old in A+, is so far at St. Lucie posting a 1.8 walk per nine ratio, almost 10 K’s per 9 innings and has yet to give up a HR. Hey hate him all you want, I don’t give a **** but the simple fact is that at 21 Wheeler is every bit the pitcher in A+ that Gorski is at 23 and as a former 6th pick in the first round and traded for one of the best CFers of all time he is sure to garner a fair amount of attention, good and bad. Like it or not those are the current events that your agenda doesn’t like to hear about

        Personally I’m happy having Gorski, Harvey, Mejia, Familia and Wheeler all looking real good right now and everyone who roots for the Mets feels the same way. Those that have some sort of an agenda would claim that the one Minaya didn’t draft or sign was “more myth and hype than substance.”

        I guess the team that in recent years drafted Lincecum, Cain, Sanchez, Bumgarner and Wilson picked him 6th based on “myth and hype.”

        Yeah right.

        Of all the phonies that I have ever heard or read about, you are the biggest phoney of them all.
        • Bayonne Mets Fan August 31, 2011 at 10:07 pm

          andy you’re an even worse phony for bandwagoning a team that just won the world series last year as a reference. Sure it ALWAYS works out that way, but then again you do that with every post.

          You’re sure very quiet lately while the Mets kids are doing well. You’re the one that’s the BIGGEST phony.
          • t agee September 1, 2011 at 5:05 pm

            That happens to be the team that drafted and then traded the person we we talking about jackass.
        • OmarFan September 1, 2011 at 11:04 am

          Agee I LOVE the way you attack the kids who are SUCCESSFUL from the Omar Minaya regime. Instead of complaining about the past, you should start predicting the future. This way you can be clobbered for being nothing more than a Monday morning quarterback AND a PHONY as well. YOU, sir, are the PHONY. You should admit WHY you don’t like Omar. Have the SACK to say it. Until then, you should remember you have 3 fingers pointing back at you when you point the accusatory finger at people.
          • t agee September 1, 2011 at 3:45 pm

            I don’t dislike Minaya at all, in fact I like the guy, what I didn’t like was how he fell right back into the same old flawed philosophy that Harazin, Phillips and Duquette tried before him.

            I was a HUGE supporter of Minaya right from the start and said 100 million times, at least, that Minaya is the perfect guy, at the perfect time, in the right place and I stuck with him, despite some real questionable moves because of how highly I thought of him. Because I believed in him. Because he knew better than to follow to Harazin, Duquette and Phillips guaranteed to fail approach.

            He could easily have built this thing up to last for a solid decade. Easily. Instead he concentrated on building it rapidly instead of for the long term. He gave away 1st and 2nd round draft picks like they were poison, failed to take back others when they were offered on a silver platter. Traded away almost all of our depth and imported guys that were all past their shelf life and lost players through roster mismanagement. He spent at least seven 1st, 2nd or 3rd round picks on the bullpen (Wagner, Smith, Kunz, Rustich, Nissen, Clyne, K-Rod) and numerous prospects (some of whom are looking like they’ll be useful parts of a 25 man roster in a year or two and others that would have been useful over the last couple years) for Putz and every year the pen gets worse and we still have no catcher, CFer or LFer and Duda’s ability to play RF has to mitigated with a roster spot for late inning defense.

            Never in my wildest nightmare did I think it possible that Minaya wouldn’t have filled these positions with top shelf talent culled from every conceivable area including shrewd forward thinking type trades, a deal for someone elses minor leaguers, 1st, 2nd and 3rd round of the draft, a rule 5 or non tender, plan B free agency or matching two imperfect guys into an effective platoon and obviously going all in in the IFA market. These are all things I believe played right into Minaya’s strengths and would have given us a serious competitive advantage and were well within his abilities. Well within. Like as in much better than the average GM.

            Minaya didn’t even wait for the rule 5 or non tender lists to even come out before addressing holes with free agents. He never made a trade that subtracted someone from the 25 in order to fill a spot down the road and get better for the long term. Everything was always about this year, never subsequent years but I still believed in him right up until September of 2009. Almost 4 years into his reign. Not four weeks like some you with the new front office.

            I believed him when he said we were going to get younger and more athletic and I realize that takes time, probably more than I thought or even he thought and I’ve stated on many occasions how he had bad luck. Sanchez, Fern, Havens, Perez, (but Pedro money? C’mon) Ratlif and injuries to Beltran and Reyes. How I feel Church and especially Schneider really let him down especially since he knew those guys from Montreal and how Bay was just one more double down that has left us with yet another waste of a roster spot.

            I’ve also been very complimentary (and excited) about some of the guys Omar did bring here (also unlike some of you with the new administration) I’m high on Mejia, Tejada, Valdespin, Familia, Harvey, Gorski (now), Puello, Lagares, Armando Rodriguez, Cordero, Edgin, McHugh, Morris, Tapia and Urbina and cautiously optimistic on Kirk, Vaughn, Havens and Flores and still hopeful on Holt and even Fern. I love Ike and I feel Duda, Thole, Gee and Murphy certainly are useful contributors but the fact remains that while this is a solid part of the foundation if Omar hadn’t thrown so many high draft choices (and drafted for impact instead of the bullpen) away we could easily have had a top 5 farm system right now with a lot of it centered in AA and a 2nd wave in A+ and 4 or 5 real long term answers kicking *** in AAA right now and so many good pieces we’d have to have been in on Halliday and Lee. Had to.

            So I have been complimentary about much of his work. My complaint is that he didn’t do enough of the things he was uniquely qualified to do that would have served us much better in the long run and did way too much of the things he wasn’t good at (projecting how 30, 35 and 40 year olds would play on into the future.

            Unlike Harazin, Phillips and Duquette the abilities of Minaya would have easily gotten us competitive without impacting the future one iota and set us up for an extended run of dominance and unquestionably many of the “hold the fort” guys that Omar could have identified and brought here would have played a hell of a lot better or been able to stay on the field a lot longer than the guys he did bring in that cost those draft choices and when you miss out twice by just one game, that would have made a huge difference. Better in the present and better in the future.

            It’s really a case of opportunity lost by someone who could have done a great job but instead fell right into the same old thing that caused us to crash under three of the previous four regimes and the thing is Minaya could have done the job. True he had to build up while trying to compete right now but after 2003 and 2004 who was demanding that we be in the World Series in 2006? Who was expecting that? When you look at who got us there it was a pretty even mix. Inherited players (Reyes, Floyd, Wright, Glavine) Salary dump deals (Delgado, La Duca, Green and El Duque) smart pickups that cost no draft picks (Valentin, Hernandez, Bradford, Oliver, Castro, Chavez) and were guaranteed nothing beyond this year and only a couple of compensatable free agents (Beltran #3, Pedro #2 and Wagner #1) Not a whole team of expensive guys on their last contract but a lot of guys looking to get another deal.

            The thing is not only did Minaya know better, he also had the ability to do better but instead went about things the same way Harazin, Phillips and Duquette did. Like a good chef working next to Phillips at a Burger King. How many guys that he did draft or sign that are currently on the 25 are likely to make an All Star team? My best guess is just one. How many that are now in the farm that might down the road? My best guess is four. How many could Minaya have produced if he was drafting for top talent and **** the slotting guidelines and **** the ASAP approach to the draft and get us some PLAYERS, not relief pitchers or Chris Carter or Jason Bay or a 40 year old LFer or a closer behind a rotation that includes Redding, Livan, Maine, Perez and has depth of just Figgy and Misch?

            My best guess is he could have gotten us 10 more All Stars many of whom would be in AA or higher right now.

            I know the slotting thing hampered him. I still feel, and always will, that he could have insisted, he could have explained, he could have cajoled the Wilpon. He could have shown the Wilpon the kind of production other teams are getting out of guys they drafted in the first, 2nd and third round who are only costing an average of 2M a year during their first six years and are playing WAY better than guys signing 15 M a year deals. He could have made that sale, even if he had to give up something in order to make it. Couldn’t sign a type A. Fair enough. He would have found a guy better than the type A AND had the high impact prospect too. The best of both worlds. Better now and better later, and all coming up at the same time.

            No one will ever know if it was Madoff that caused the Wilpon to back off on payroll for the 25 and commit some over slot cash beyond just the first round or if it’s all just an excuse to buy time but somehow Alderson did make that sale. He probably made it before he was even hired. Now I’ve heard many times about how Minaya was informed by Bill Madden about the Mets adhearing to slot after he was hired and being surprised about that. Those guidelines came in, in 2000 while Minaya was with the Mets but he wasn’t directly involved in the draft (He was the Sr. Asst GM and Director of International Scouting) so he may NOT have been aware ahead of time but as the GM of a team being run by MLB he certainly knew of THEM, but that was a sale that he needed to make. Shouldn’t have had to make to a big market team but that’s beside the point. He needed to make that sale and pick up the most impactful possible talent from the IFA AND the draft and fill in the 25 with guys that didn’t cost draft picks or require multi year and multi million dollar contracts which just so happened to be something he is very good at and properly valuing performance going forward he is very bad at.

            Any agenda that I have, if I have one at all, is with the Wilpon and their impatience to negatively impact the future in order to sell tickets (and the Fans a bill of goods) THIS YEAR and their self serving, small minded (and small market) insistence on adhearing to the ridiculous slotting guidelines.

            The fact that Omar fell into the trap that is inherently a part of the Wilpon business strategy at least until now doesn’t make me dislike him. It makes me feel bad for him, like he never had a real chance here but he was the GM at the time all these shortsighted decisions were made and they go on his ledger. That’s the way it is. He wouldn’t be the first GM of a sports franchise sabotaged by his owner. The bottom line to me is that he tried to work around the problem but you can’t work around that and be successful. You have to get a large percentage of your starting eight, rotation and pen from the 1st 2nd and 3rd round of the draft. Those are the guys that will be here in their prime for 6 years or more and not hamstring your roster with dead***es playing like **** and costing a fortune. Those are the guys that you don’t have to find a position for. They already come with one. Then they take someone else’s. Those are the guys you can trade for a Roy Halliday or a Cliff Lee. Starting from scratch, which essentially Omar was, the IFA takes too ****** long to get here. That doesn’t mean you skimp there, you don’t. You go huge there as well. 10-15 M almost every year but seven years after Minaya got here what IFA has kicked *** at the Major League level that he signed? None. Excuses aside not one single guy has come up and played great yet although that is sure to change but it will probably be more like what would have been Minaya’s 9th or 10th year when we really start feeling the impact of his IFA’s so what was the plan? Sign an expensive free agent every year and round out the team with one dimensional 1B/LF/DH types until that 9th or 10th year and then start transitioning into well rounded position players capable of not only hitting but playing great D and running the bases too.

            That plan is doomed to failure and will never work. It crashed under the weight of Harazins “Worst team money could buy part 1″, Phillips “worst team money could buy part 2.” The only thing that keeps Minaya from being lumped in with those two is that he inherited very little, Harazin and Phillips inherited quite a bit, and that Minaya left the farm overall middle of the road while the other wrecked it.

            If he had been able to allocate more to the top rounds of the draft he could have had it in the top 5 and still be here, and that’s a shame cause there is no doubt in my mind that he could have done it that way and if he had we would have been sitting on a couple of pennants and probably 3 World Series appearancs in the next decade but he didn’t make that sale and no one will every know if he even really tried.
• sarge August 30, 2011 at 11:00 pm

  Who said anything about turning this kid into a relief pitcher, I must have missed the memo.
  Different FO, hopefully and now congrats to the kid who came out of nowhere, except for those in the FSL who followed him, who excelled this year.

  Great to see a LH pitcher start to develop in minors for Mets, other than Niese I can’t remember last one other than maybe R. Carson.
  How old is this kid?

  Is he Ski, G-Man, etc?
• JoeD 1966 August 31, 2011 at 4:03 am

  I believe he’s only 23.Omar! he reas why the media is hyping Wheeler is because his ceiling is much higher than Gorski’s.That’s not to say Gorski somehow doesn’t become the better pitcher.It’s a lot to do with where these 2 guy’s were drafted.Wheeler was a 1st rounder,Gorski was a 7th rounder in the same draft.
• alex68 August 31, 2011 at 9:08 am

  gorski was a 7th round pick, it goes to shows you can be as good as you can be.. gimme a hard worker guy, who’s a gamer and willing to learn and listen..
  hopefully he turns out to be good for us as well.. the more pitchers who do good in the minors for us, the better..