Comments on: Capuano Has Been Awful; Is Trade a Possiblity?

By: Eraff

Eraff — Thu, 18 Aug 2011 10:35:26 +0000

I can’t believe the “Young Love”—his IP for the past 4 seasons: 112, 76, 20, 24….and he was physically spotty before that. He just can’t make the innings guys!

By: Metsie

Metsie — Wed, 17 Aug 2011 20:20:21 +0000

Well I’m not sure this years market is important. All he has to do is find ANY pitcher who has those numbers and use his salary to prove that is a fair price. Granted he may need to find more than one…

Not saying we don’t get something better via Arb and compensatory, Just that you take a higher risk to get that little bit more.

Not sure we need that extra bit more the Arbitration gets us and can’t say until we have some idea what he might get us back in a trade.

Me and you will NEVER know what that was unless they make the trade so we are basically both in agreement that we want to get something for him and the difference is on which edge is best for the coin to bounce on first! LOL

I don’t have a big issue if he is on the squad either, I just think we are better off caching him in for WHATEVER we get as I don’t see him in the long term plans and don’t see room in the short term either.
I think we are BOTH sort of in the same place and just looking to see which way maximizes the value and in that case you are correct you get higher value with Arb but with a slight increase in Risk as well…

Truth is we can’t really lose either way can we?

By: XtreemIcon

XtreemIcon — Wed, 17 Aug 2011 19:24:27 +0000

The other side of arb is that it’s a one year deal. If he gets through the year healthy, he might decline it and look for two years. Also, as far as arb hearings, yes they’re in February, but the offer of arb and the deadline to accept is much earlier. There may not be a market for old, back-end starters by then, so he might not have a leg to stand on if he accepts and tries for 4 mil.

By: Metsie

Metsie — Wed, 17 Aug 2011 19:00:31 +0000

LOL Ok…Well to get Cap you have to offer Arb. Which means you pay what he wins there or negotiate a better deal.

Only if he leaves do you get the pick but you do take the risk of him getting more in Arbitration than you would pay just to sign him.

But we are on the same page here now! Thanks! LOL

By: Metsie

Metsie — Wed, 17 Aug 2011 18:58:34 +0000

No he doesn’t have a clause but offerring Arb is a double edged sword as well….

It means your committed to paying him what some other dopehat on another team paid a similar guy with similar numbers.

And all cap has to do is accept and win his case!
So to judge if it’s worth offerring the arb to get the pick means looking at what guys putting up similar numbers are getting paid. And if any are making 4 Mil it really isn’t worth it then is it?

If you trade him now to someone who might be interested in him they will get the Arb option and the resulting compensatory. So you might just get something for him now and avoid the risk of losing in arbitration.

But I have not looked at similar players to say for sure that Arbitration is not a decent way to go.
So I’ll assume you have! LOL

It would not kill me if he pitched for us. I just don’t think he will regardless of if we sign him or not.
With Santana back there simply is not enough room for all and Gee (the only one with options) has earned himself a second season. And this assumes we sign no SPs in the offseason which I don’t see happening.

So it goes back to do we find a taker for Pelfrey or put Santana in the Pen as I suggest.

By: XtreemIcon

XtreemIcon — Wed, 17 Aug 2011 18:24:34 +0000

I don’t think he has any Beltran-like arb clause, which is why I say get the pick.

By: XtreemIcon

XtreemIcon — Wed, 17 Aug 2011 18:22:20 +0000

Ha! I was talking only about Cap here. I don’t trade him now because the sup pick will be better than the return in a trade.

By: metsaddict77

metsaddict77 — Wed, 17 Aug 2011 18:21:27 +0000

nobody in our rotation is particurely goood this year.except maybe gee but he is starting to faulter now.

By: Metsie

Metsie — Wed, 17 Aug 2011 18:11:29 +0000

Ok so we are pretty uch on the same page here…

I believe Young has more upside to him than Capuano. Which is why I am suggesting try to get something for Capuano. Not sure if he has arbitration compensation attached to him I’m sure it depends on the scale of his deal.

But I would just as soon trade him now unless I’m guaranteed compensation if we don’t resign him.

What I more or less expect is he WILL pitch somewhere else but for not much money and we get no compensation at all.

So Lets get omething we can throw in to a multiplayer deal and get something else we need.

By: Metsie

Metsie — Wed, 17 Aug 2011 18:08:15 +0000

LOL Ok WHO are we talking about? As far as Cap is concerned No I wasn’t talking about resigning him I would trade him now.

I was referring to resigning Young and I think you and me BOTH agree that doesn’t happen until he throws a baseball…

If I’m missing something please tell me! LOL

By: XtreemIcon

XtreemIcon — Wed, 17 Aug 2011 18:00:37 +0000

No major league deal until he throws. I’d sign him to a minor league deal right now, but nothing guaranteed unless he throws first.

By: XtreemIcon

XtreemIcon — Wed, 17 Aug 2011 17:58:26 +0000

You want to re-sign him? What do you mean another year? There’s only six weeks left.

By: Metsie

Metsie — Wed, 17 Aug 2011 14:40:17 +0000

Here is the question on Young…
Do you resign him before you see him on a mound? (Which from yesterdays piece on him won’t be until after October.)

Or do you hold off, or sign hm to a MiL contract that accelerates salary if he makes the team before you commit MLB money to him?

Remember Santana got hurt and operated on almost immediatly after the injury and he still is not back yet. If the same schedule is in play for Young, We won’t see him ready to join us until April or May at best!
Thats if he doesn’t have the same setback that Santana did!

I agree that in general he is worth SOME risk. But the risk should be about holding up AFTER his return, maybe not risking anything before he actually DOES return.

By: Metsie

Metsie — Wed, 17 Aug 2011 14:35:25 +0000

But you have to hope he makes it through another season without injury to get that supplemental!
Like I said if we trade Pelfrey it’s maybe a different story, but barring thatCap is the low man on that totem pole and at least has a pedigree that makes him worth something, Not a prospect but then again I’m not one who says every kid has to be on baseball america’s list. Another Byrdak would be nice!

By: XtreemIcon

XtreemIcon — Wed, 17 Aug 2011 02:22:22 +0000

Nah. I definately keep him. Are you aware of the bums that qualified as Type B FAs last year? He can return a supplemental pick, which I think is more valuable than what he can return in a trade.

By: XtreemIcon

XtreemIcon — Wed, 17 Aug 2011 02:17:18 +0000

I totally agree! Let’s see what he can do if he’s healthy.

By: Metsie

Metsie — Tue, 16 Aug 2011 19:24:41 +0000

That 9-11 could very easily be a 14-6 with some good fielding and run support.

yes the ERA is high and you want to get it lower but Capuano has given us some good quality starts.

As I tried to say he has not pitched more than 200 Innings since 2006. Thats 5 years of not pitching the grind.

He has got his stuff back (not as good as it was granted) now he needs to build himself up to be strong for an entire season. If he does manage to stay healthy he should be more conditioned to go a full season and stay stronger later in it and it’s just a bit unrealistic to think he can do that in his first full season in a rotation coming back after injuries.

By: Matt

Matt — Tue, 16 Aug 2011 19:21:22 +0000

And Pelf and Niese are what they are. Niese is a #3/#4 starter and Pelfrey is a #5/minor league starter. The fact of the matter is, sure, Capuano has not been good…but Pelfrey and Niese have not been good either.

By: alex68

alex68 — Tue, 16 Aug 2011 19:01:10 +0000

awful is a bit of a understatement, but let’s face it, a pitcher with 9-11 4.60 ERA is not good either, but i think awful is a bit extreme

By: alex68

alex68 — Tue, 16 Aug 2011 18:59:46 +0000

let’s bring back chris young next year..