Alderson Won’t Make Decisions Based On Media and Fan Frenzy

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• Larry Smith August 28, 2011 at 12:05 pm

  With the deadline for eligibility to pitch in the post-season just days away and with Capuano clearing waivers (according to MLB trade rumors.com) it would be great if Alderson could snag a decent prospect for Capuano coming off this great performance. While most teams know to look at the entire body of work there could be some contenders who hope to catch lightning in a bottle. Meanwhile the Mets need to fortify the prospect list rather than depend on injury-prone #4′ish starters.
• OmarFan August 28, 2011 at 12:30 pm

  lol @ Omar Minaya fell off the world 20 months after he was hired. This site is pretty childish and dramatic. As if Omar’s team went 50 games under .500 in 2006. 2005-2008 were not disastrous results. Pretty dramatic and quite stupid to suggest any year between 2005 and 2008 was a disaster. 2009 could happen to any team (the 2008 Yankees are a perfect example). 2010 was a direct result of losing 30+ million in payroll and not replacing talent lost.
  • Metro69 August 28, 2011 at 1:40 pm

    First, why group all the writers who dont all agree on the same issues or share the same opinions on this site? A little ignorant, no? If you feel that way why do you continue to read and comment here? Second, Minaya did stray from his original plan, you dont know that? Let me group you now, why are all Omar fans so blind and just plain dumb? Feel better now?
    • Des August 28, 2011 at 2:45 pm

      C’mon guys. We have some games to win this and next season. Internal divisiveness doesn’t help when it’s based on gotcha’s.

      Omar had some good results. Was he perfect? No, but who is? I liked the guy’s personality and baseball smarts as I think most fans did. He sold Jeff and Fred on the wisdom of paying good bucks to older, seasoned players. It worked for a while but when their aging bodies caused the veteran players to go down or be put on the DL, all hell broke loose. In my view Omar’s critical mistake was putting too much trust (maybe he was told to by the front office?) in Tony Bernazard. Tony made some bad, petty decisions and his trail of childish, nasty incidents eventually affected the genuinely smart, nice guy at the top — Omar Minaya. I’ll bet if Omar is ever in a similar front office job, he’ll stay away from the fiery Tony. Incidentally, Tony to this day claims he did nothing wrong or inappropriate. I’m sure Willie and some of the younger minor league players feel differently.
    • OmarFan August 28, 2011 at 5:35 pm

      Here’s another thing this childish site does is spin arguments to fit their need. What I said was anyone who considers this 2005-2008 “disastrous” are childish and drama queens. THAT is ignorant, sir. And if some of the writers from the site swim in those waters, it should be pointed out. It’s not only counterproductive, it’s a sign of misinformation and more of the same illogical nonsense Met fans have become forced to hear/read.

      Anyone who thinks Omar was a disaster from 2006-2008 is a complete idiot. There’s nothing else left to be said. And if this site needs someone with a clear mind to defend Omar, I don’t have a problem doing so. If you don’t think Pagan, Chavez, Beltran, and other part-timers weren’t “athletic” you lack intelligence or you have an agenda.

      And his plan was to build a championship squad. We were the best team in baseball in 2006 and only injuries to Duque, Pedro and Sanchez killed our title hopes. The current regime won’t reach those levels within the next 4 years if their plan is to ‘build through the farm’ as they keep preaching to us.
      • JoeSmith August 28, 2011 at 5:54 pm

        So one person’s comments are childish according to you, yet you are assuming the outcome of the current regime’s success four years down the road.

        They are building a very week farm system, and no where did they ever say they would ONLY be building this team from the farm.

        Talk about childish.
        • OmarFan August 29, 2011 at 1:20 am

          You have a better chance of hitting Lotto twice in a week before Alderson turns us into the 2006 Mets within the next 4 years, Joe. You want to toss a little friendly wager on that one? Yale will win the NCAA College Basketball Tournament before that happens.

          And if you think our farm is “week” you have problems. They have PLENTY of very good kids in the system. Give me a break already with the same tired BS rhetoric.
          • JoeSmith August 29, 2011 at 7:11 am

            To clarify I should have said they had a weak farm system and are building on it.

            You call it BS rhetoric, the rest of baseball calls it the truth. Just because you don’t understand having a strong farm helps you in the long run don’t call it BS rhetoric.

            Since you know what will happen in 4 year why not give me those lotto numbers.

            I don’t place wagers, especially with someone betting against the team I follow.
      • Mr North Jersey August 28, 2011 at 5:56 pm

        “And his plan was to build a championship squad”

        Agreed and he failed.
        • OmarFan August 29, 2011 at 1:21 am

          Sorry North, but Omar built them. The problem in 2006 were injuries. They were the best team in baseball. The best team doesn’t always win though. Same could be said for 2007 and 2008 as well.
          • JoeSmith August 29, 2011 at 7:13 am

            Now you are really kidding yourself only, if you think he built the best team in 07 and 08.

            He weakened the bullpen in 07, weakened it.

            Moises Alou is not building the best baseball team.
            • OmarFan August 29, 2011 at 8:23 am

              And because they weren’t the best team in baseball, they are disastrous? LMAO! Nice agenda we’re building here.

              LMAO @ Moises Alou obsessions. Nobody would have cared about Alou being injured if Milledge, Chavez and Gomez stayed healthy that season. All missed significant time due to injury that season.

              As for the bullpen, here’s another piece of ignorant second guessing. No one believed Duaner was finished. We lost our 8th inning set up man who we have yet to replace, BTW.
              • JoeSmith August 29, 2011 at 8:57 am

                So people with counterpoint arguments now have obessions, and YOU call people here childish.

                Keep laughing, the rest of us grown ups will talk baseball.

                Second guessing – love that term too.

                It’s only second guessing when pointing out prevous failures, but I guess you’re not arm chair GM’ing when you THINK this team will still be failing in 4 years with the current regime.

                Ignorance running rampart.
          • Mr North Jersey August 29, 2011 at 8:49 am

            “Sorry North, but Omar built them.”

            He did?

            Then all I can say to that then is that my definition of “championship squad” differs from yours cause for me I call a “championship squad” a squad that won a championship or in other words a World Series.
    • OmarFan August 28, 2011 at 5:43 pm

      One more thing. As for why I post on and read this site, I thought this was metsmerizedonline, not MORONizedonline. Sorry, but this is America. It’s called freedom of speech.
      • JoeSmith August 28, 2011 at 5:56 pm

        WOW – and you call others out for being childish and you dub it MORONiedonline? What does that make you, if you post here yourself?

        Next – go learn about Freedom of Speech and it’s actual uses.

        I’ll add that to the misused phrase just like Moneyball and Sabremetrics.
      • Donal August 28, 2011 at 6:19 pm

        Yes, and we are exercising our right to point out where you are wrong. Unlike you and the Brown Shirts, we don’t need to threaten you, attack you personally, or try and stomp down opposing view points.

        By the way, Freedom of Speech means you can’t be prevented from expressing your point. It does not mean that others can’t oppose it or that Joe has to use his resources to give you a platform.
• Alex in CT August 28, 2011 at 2:03 pm

  Nice to have some sanity back in the front office. I know the season didnt end up like anyone of us wanted, but it feels better than last year because we’re heading in a better direction.
• Bayonne Mets Fan August 28, 2011 at 2:30 pm

  and why is David Wright throwing his 2 cents in? There are some of us who think he’s a part of the problem
  • sarge August 28, 2011 at 2:32 pm

    Other than Jose he is the most tenured Met so maybe he does have something to say, nothing wrong with that unless you just don’t want to hear him say anything because of his lack of production this year.

    He, like it or not, along with Jose are the team leaders this year so yes if they are asked then they should say something and not let just the FO say it all.
  • JoeSmith August 28, 2011 at 3:54 pm

    Do you think he ran this guy down and said “WAIT WAIT I want to give you my opinion”.

    I get it, you hate the guy, but now you’re really reaching, why is he giving his 2 cents………you are really funny or just stupid.
  • Des August 28, 2011 at 6:09 pm

    Bayonne, please be consistent.

    You take each side of an issue frequently when it suits you. You criticize David Wright for not being a leader. Then you criticize David Wright when he shows he is a leader.

    You say David Wright is just a stats builder, that he’s not a clutch ballplayer. (You don’t offer any convincing proof for your view.) Then you say if Wright were traded he’d bring a boatload of prospects. How can David bring the boatload if he’s not a really good player? I think you assume you’re smarter and better judge of talent than the front offices of the MLB teams. You seem to want it both ways. Are you for real?
    • jessep August 28, 2011 at 8:05 pm

      And isn’t it curious Des that the same people who flip out about the potential for letting Reyes walk if his contract request is too high, are the same people who want Wright gone?

      Fun Fact:

      David Wright has not played in 96 TOTAL games since 2005. That’s an average of 13-14 games a season missed.

      Jose Reyes has not played in 311 TOTAL games since 2004. That’s an average of 39 games missed per season, a quarter of the season.

      Now I’m not saying Wright should be untouchable, but I find it odd that the people who are adamant about getting rid of him try and paint Reyes as Mr. Reliable. At the end of the day, you can’t be a leader if you’re not on the field.
  • XtreemIcon August 28, 2011 at 7:48 pm

    Maybe he’s being the vocal leader in the clubhouse.
  • JoeD 1966 August 28, 2011 at 11:21 pm

    He is part of the problem.A franchise player puts his team on his back and carries them at times.Without Beltran and Delgado around him or players of that caliber this team will never take the next step forward.He’s a complimentary player not a franchise player.
    • JoeSmith August 29, 2011 at 7:15 am

      You can’t carry a team when 50% of your players are on the DL. People are really getting nuts with this “carry a team” and what it means.

      A championship team does not have one guy carry them. A player picksp up a fellow player and carrys them when then are in a slump for a week or two, not carry an entire team to the finish line.
• sarge August 28, 2011 at 2:30 pm

  I say if we can get a decent prospect for Capuano then let him go and then try to re-sign in off season if he is to be included in 2012′s plans.

  I think going forward one tact that SA will take is to not push prospects through minors in the thinking that to challenge them is to make them better as Omar did.
  I don’t know if this had anything to do with how F Mart has progressed or not but maybe he was not ready for some of the situations he was put into by rapid progression through minors before his body was ready for the x-tra work, just saying, not sure.

  Buzz in a signing or re-signing does add to fans expectations but if you don’t set a high ceiling coming off of 2011 then fans can come to games, season with realistic expectations and then be pleasantly surprised at results.

  Most honest Met fans know that this year was a re-building or neutral type where much was not expected then with injuries and the promotion of so many from Buffalo the rest of this season was determined so hopefully fans will realize that what’s left of 2011 is also part of what FO and Terry will use to put together team for next year and give them the space they need to do so and support the team.
• jdon August 29, 2011 at 4:13 am

  as far as Omar is concerned. Let us be patient. Let us see if any team ever hires him as a GM. Wouldn’t that be revealing, if it did not happen?
  • Donal August 30, 2011 at 11:30 am

    I’m sure someone will give him a GM job. He’s still under contract with the Mets, so its not like he’s readily available.

    Is there any word on Wade’s tenure in Houston? Are the new owners ready to move on or are they hanging on to him for another season?
    • Donal August 30, 2011 at 11:54 am

      Apparently not, because the McLane Group still haven’t sold.