Comments on: Pelfrey Punished In Fifth, Bullpen Can’t Hold, Mets Lose 8-5 To Phillies

By: jessep

jessep — Mon, 18 Jul 2011 15:36:06 +0000

In the last 10 seasons 2001-2010, the Rockies, Diamondbacks and Giants have been to a World Series. How often have the Mets in that same time frame?

There is life in baseball outside of New York State.

Nobody cares if the Giants or Dodgers go 5 or 6 years without making the playoffs? Yeah because the Giants and Dodgers do so poor in attendance right?

By: metsaddict77

metsaddict77 — Mon, 18 Jul 2011 14:54:22 +0000

if take any of those good nl west teams that won and put them in this nl east they all would lose.the competition in the west is a joke.

By: alex68

alex68 — Mon, 18 Jul 2011 14:41:57 +0000

funny how you to make your point valid use 2001-2010.. how about from 2000-2010??? you are a very slick person.. since 1999 the mets have been to 3 NLCS and 1 world series, arizona to 1 WS, colorado got embarrassed by the sox, and san diego, well..

By: Tiger One

Tiger One — Mon, 18 Jul 2011 14:32:48 +0000

Pelfrey: Shake the “flake” off!

By: alex68

alex68 — Mon, 18 Jul 2011 14:29:01 +0000

san diego have to compete with the worst teams in baseball most of the time, dodgers (while depodesta was gm), rockies, arizona and san fran.. the mets have to compete with NL EAST and the new york yankees for fans and back pages, who the hell cares about NL WEST baseball, seriously.. nobody cares if the giants or dodgers go 5 or 6 years w/o making the playoffs, here in NY fans simply tune out.. ask art howe

By: metsaddict77

metsaddict77 — Mon, 18 Jul 2011 14:21:37 +0000

yeah but this isn’t the shitty nl west,they wouldn’t have competed that well if they were in the nl east.

By: jessep

jessep — Mon, 18 Jul 2011 14:14:59 +0000

probably worth noting that while Alderson was in San Diego they won 2 division titles in his 5 years. How many division titles did NYM win in 6 years of open checkbook baseball again?

The Padres and the A’s had different budgets than the Mets. Not spending $150m doesn’t mean you’re going to spend $60m. And by the way, before the A’s owner died, Alderson did spend on the A’s in relation to where the rest of the league was.

San Diego’s budget is different than New York.

By: jessep

jessep — Mon, 18 Jul 2011 14:09:29 +0000

Right and Bobby Ojeda said the day the deal was made that players know this is coming and they mentally prepare for it. And part of being a ballplayer is understanding the business of it and not getting down when a guy is sent away. They are supposed to take their support for KRod and put it in Isringhausen/Parnell/Beato.

Trading KRod didn’t make the team lose 2 out of 3 this weekend.

By: alex68

alex68 — Mon, 18 Jul 2011 13:51:55 +0000

players knew????? most of them were shocked, or didn’t know at how quickly a deal for the closer was done, also, did you see our bullpen line for the weekend?? look it up since you like numbers, and if you watched as i am sure you did (since you DON’T go to games) you realize how bad this bullpen will be w/o krod.. they gave up on the season, you and everyone here notiivrt

By: alex68

alex68 — Mon, 18 Jul 2011 13:08:39 +0000

srt, i never said you did, your points are well taken, my point is, this man wasn’t here to build a champion, he was here to put the best “money can afford” team together..

By: alex68

alex68 — Mon, 18 Jul 2011 13:05:36 +0000

fair enough i guess.. i am done discussing that trade, it is what it is, but remember, even keith and ron said it and the manager as well, players see this, and they sometimes let that get in their heads, is like saying to the players “no matter if we’re in it or not, we’re trading important pieces of the team because we need to save money”..

By: MetFan Lou

MetFan Lou — Mon, 18 Jul 2011 12:50:20 +0000

Yeah but the Padres didn’t pee away half a billion with Bernie M. and ARE NOT owned by the Wilpons who belong on wall street not in the owner’s box at citi field.

By: srt

srt — Mon, 18 Jul 2011 12:47:28 +0000

Hmmm….I don’t believe I said anything about ‘money saving’.
I said I certainly hope he was brought in to build a competitive team.

I think you should stop reading between the lines because in my opinion, you’re not very good at it.

By: srt

srt — Mon, 18 Jul 2011 12:45:12 +0000

Had to be done, Alex. No way could we have let that 17.5 vest. Alderson was left picking up the pieces of that contract – one he had nothing to do with.

And be that as it may, doesn’t mean we got ‘outsmarted’ by the Brewers. If nothing else, means we got someone to take him off our hands because the consensus was the longer we waited, the less likely this trade could have been made.

Alderson tried to renegotiate the terms of his contract with his old agent – they refused. Therefore, trading him was a no brainer.

By: MetFan Lou

MetFan Lou — Mon, 18 Jul 2011 12:43:05 +0000

I didn’t know we got Mo Vaughn in a trade. Maybe we thought that getting a 400 pound first baseman was a good deal by the pound? Yeah George Foster was the guy. I had such hopes when we got him but being a Met fan you fall in to the old adaage “Pessimissim wins out every time.”Oh yeah and we missed out on Izzy’s best years of his career!

By: alex68

alex68 — Mon, 18 Jul 2011 12:38:36 +0000

again, the brewers got an all star closer, pay 1 million, and if he bolts they get 2 draft picks.. mets get?? PTBN.. ouch!!!

By: alex68

alex68 — Mon, 18 Jul 2011 12:37:22 +0000

money saving sandy alderson.. this ain’t san diego!!!!!!!!!!!!

By: srt

srt — Mon, 18 Jul 2011 12:32:33 +0000

I certainly hope he was brought in to do exactly that. We certainly weren’t getting to post season as currently constructed. Already proved that.

And I’m hoping the plan is to contend for post season every year going forward – not the ‘all in’ type of mentality since ’06 this team has been operating under.

By: srt

srt — Mon, 18 Jul 2011 12:30:06 +0000

You haven’t answered the question – how did Alderson get outsmarted by the Brewers? I don’t understand your point on that.

And do you really believe the Mets season hinged on KRod being the closer? Yes, I saw the game yesterday. If KRod was still here, he wasn’t getting in that game b/c there was no save opportunity. Those arms – Beato and Iggy – still would have been in there before the 9th and the outcome would have been the same. Krod not being here didn’t change that. If they had done their job, then and only then might there have been a possibility KRod pitches the 9th for a save.

By: MetFan Lou

MetFan Lou — Mon, 18 Jul 2011 12:20:51 +0000

You are absoluteley right. Alderson was brought in to remake the Mets. This talk of a wildcard is to sell tickets and to keep fan interest. He is going to remake this team on a 100 million dollar payroll max and looking not even to 2012 but to the year 2013. This is my take. The young guys like Duda and Tejada and Turne and Murphy and Martinez are all auditioning now to be a part of the mix. Their playing to be a keeper or trade b ait. They know that too.