Pelfrey Punished In Fifth, Bullpen Can’t Hold, Mets Lose 8-5 To Phillies

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• Des July 17, 2011 at 8:16 pm

  Over the last 7 games, Murphy has 14 hits in 28 AB. Nifty .500 average with only one K.
  • Seligman July 17, 2011 at 9:50 pm

    Murphy has been an absolute stud at the plate for 2 months now. But what’s the future for him? He still is a man without a position. Trading him looks to be in his future.
    • any July 17, 2011 at 10:19 pm

      well, Ike is not coming back. Assuming he will be OK for next year, Murphy will continue to work on defense around the diamond. But, mostly at 2B.

      Looking at the IF, 1B and 3B are coverered, and he was holding his own at 2B, so keep trying that since they have no one else really for next year on hand at this point.
• Seligman July 17, 2011 at 9:51 pm

  Lets face it, Pelfrey is not long for this team.
  • MetFan Lou July 17, 2011 at 10:23 pm

    Mike Pelfrey will be a MET in 2012 and maybe beyond. He can’t handle the pressure or the hype of a “stud oitcher and ace of the staff”. I believe that if Niese or Gee or Santana when he gets back takes over that roll, then Pelfrey can settle in to be a solid number four starter. He has the stuff but it’s a head game with him. He is too young and to talented to give up on him. As a side note, worrying about who our closer is going to be is the least of the mets’ PROBLEM.
• rzanca July 17, 2011 at 11:01 pm

  Pelf sucks. Overall, he just sucks.
  We needed him at home today, and he flopped.
• sarge July 18, 2011 at 12:53 am

  I am so perplexed with Pelfrey’s apparent step back in his progress.
  Supposedly with Paulino catching him and having pitch more inside to lefties it would help but I don’t think having Bench, Pudge or Jerry Grote, who would probably yell at him to grow up, is going to help him.
  The increase in HR, even at Citi, is a big problem and I don’t know what Met’s can do with him. He might wind up being a No. 5 pitcher in rotation cause he is definitely not a top of the rotation starter, that goes now to Niese and maybe R.A.

  Bay drops a ball, leading to 3 un-earned runs and can’t get a hit with RISP, so I say platoon Harris, Evans, Duda, Hairston, when David and Jose return cause he is not even making productive outs.
  • russell Zanca July 18, 2011 at 1:08 am

    If only we could just get rid of Bay…one of our worst signings ever. I admit I was among those who thought he would be a great contributor. If we could offload him by 31st, it would be grand.
    • MetFan Lou July 18, 2011 at 8:12 am

      Oh how could you bring up such painful memories of Met signings. After reading your comment I had flashbacks to Mo Vaughn and Bobby Bonilla and I wish I could remember his name but the guy hit 55 home runs for the Reds and we signed him and I think he dropped off to 18 or 20 after that. I think this was in the early 80s. Oh yeah we flushed a lot of good money down the ole hole. Oh yeah and on the other sign of the coin we didn’t want Nolan Ryan. For gosh sake Nolan Ryan!
      • alex68 July 18, 2011 at 8:20 am

        mo vaugh was NOT signed in new york, the angels signed him and then traded him to the mets..
        worst signing had to be imo jason bay, at least foster hit 18 home runs, in 2 season combined this man has 12!!!!!
        oliver perez on a close second!!!! 3 wins for 36 million dollars
        • MetFan Lou July 18, 2011 at 8:43 am

          I didn’t know we got Mo Vaughn in a trade. Maybe we thought that getting a 400 pound first baseman was a good deal by the pound? Yeah George Foster was the guy. I had such hopes when we got him but being a Met fan you fall in to the old adaage “Pessimissim wins out every time.”Oh yeah and we missed out on Izzy’s best years of his career!
  • Tiger One July 18, 2011 at 10:32 am

    Pelfrey: Shake the “flake” off!
• alex68 July 18, 2011 at 7:10 am

  let’s see, from the mets losing 2 out of 3 from the phillies, to the brewers OUTSMARTING the almighty know it all alderson in the krod deal and getting a pick while at it, to pelfrey and bay being the whi-te version of perez/castillo combo this was just a dandy weekend..
  • NYMetsfan July 18, 2011 at 7:34 am

    Do you think for one minute, KROD and his agent Boras would have done the same for the Mets?

    Seriously you can’t even be a little bit serious with that?

    Alderson was still smart with unloading the bulk of that contract whether you understand the game or not.
    • alex68 July 18, 2011 at 7:45 am

      i understand it perfectly, he got outsmarter by the gm of the brewers.. is ok, so far alderson hasn’t being the smart act he proclaimed to be..
      • NYMetsfan July 18, 2011 at 7:57 am

        Neither are you
        • alex68 July 18, 2011 at 8:00 am

          hey, i never said i was a genius or some sort of, neither i call ppl stupid or uneducated. so i never proclaimed myself to be anything more than a regular guy, who blogs here because i love this site and most ppl here, even you who i always read what is written by you.
      • srt July 18, 2011 at 8:10 am

        What?

        Perhaps you can explain how the Brewers ‘outsmarted’ Alderson. I have no idea what you’re trying to say.

        The Mets did try and renegotiate his contract with his old agent and was turned down – did you even know this? Therefore, he had to be traded, period. If you think it was ‘smart’ to let that option vest and spend 17.5 MIL on one BP arm then I don’t know what to tell you.
        • alex68 July 18, 2011 at 8:18 am

          giving up on the season.. did you see how beato and igarashi imploded over the weekend?? just saying..
          • srt July 18, 2011 at 8:30 am

            You haven’t answered the question – how did Alderson get outsmarted by the Brewers? I don’t understand your point on that.

            And do you really believe the Mets season hinged on KRod being the closer? Yes, I saw the game yesterday. If KRod was still here, he wasn’t getting in that game b/c there was no save opportunity. Those arms – Beato and Iggy – still would have been in there before the 9th and the outcome would have been the same. Krod not being here didn’t change that. If they had done their job, then and only then might there have been a possibility KRod pitches the 9th for a save.
            • alex68 July 18, 2011 at 8:38 am

              again, the brewers got an all star closer, pay 1 million, and if he bolts they get 2 draft picks.. mets get?? PTBN.. ouch!!!
              • srt July 18, 2011 at 8:45 am

                Had to be done, Alex. No way could we have let that 17.5 vest. Alderson was left picking up the pieces of that contract – one he had nothing to do with.

                And be that as it may, doesn’t mean we got ‘outsmarted’ by the Brewers. If nothing else, means we got someone to take him off our hands because the consensus was the longer we waited, the less likely this trade could have been made.

                Alderson tried to renegotiate the terms of his contract with his old agent – they refused. Therefore, trading him was a no brainer.
                • alex68 July 18, 2011 at 9:05 am

                  fair enough i guess.. i am done discussing that trade, it is what it is, but remember, even keith and ron said it and the manager as well, players see this, and they sometimes let that get in their heads, is like saying to the players “no matter if we’re in it or not, we’re trading important pieces of the team because we need to save money”..
                  • alex68 July 18, 2011 at 9:51 am

                    players knew????? most of them were shocked, or didn’t know at how quickly a deal for the closer was done, also, did you see our bullpen line for the weekend?? look it up since you like numbers, and if you watched as i am sure you did (since you DON’T go to games) you realize how bad this bullpen will be w/o krod.. they gave up on the season, you and everyone here notiivrt
                  • jessep July 18, 2011 at 9:09 am

                    Right and Bobby Ojeda said the day the deal was made that players know this is coming and they mentally prepare for it. And part of being a ballplayer is understanding the business of it and not getting down when a guy is sent away. They are supposed to take their support for KRod and put it in Isringhausen/Parnell/Beato.

                    Trading KRod didn’t make the team lose 2 out of 3 this weekend.
        • MetFan Lou July 18, 2011 at 8:20 am

          You are absoluteley right. Alderson was brought in to remake the Mets. This talk of a wildcard is to sell tickets and to keep fan interest. He is going to remake this team on a 100 million dollar payroll max and looking not even to 2012 but to the year 2013. This is my take. The young guys like Duda and Tejada and Turne and Murphy and Martinez are all auditioning now to be a part of the mix. Their playing to be a keeper or trade b ait. They know that too.
          • srt July 18, 2011 at 8:32 am

            I certainly hope he was brought in to do exactly that. We certainly weren’t getting to post season as currently constructed. Already proved that.

            And I’m hoping the plan is to contend for post season every year going forward – not the ‘all in’ type of mentality since ’06 this team has been operating under.
            • alex68 July 18, 2011 at 8:37 am

              money saving sandy alderson.. this ain’t san diego!!!!!!!!!!!!
              • srt July 18, 2011 at 8:47 am

                Hmmm….I don’t believe I said anything about ‘money saving’.
                I said I certainly hope he was brought in to build a competitive team.

                I think you should stop reading between the lines because in my opinion, you’re not very good at it.
                • alex68 July 18, 2011 at 9:08 am

                  srt, i never said you did, your points are well taken, my point is, this man wasn’t here to build a champion, he was here to put the best “money can afford” team together..
              • MetFan Lou July 18, 2011 at 8:50 am

                Yeah but the Padres didn’t pee away half a billion with Bernie M. and ARE NOT owned by the Wilpons who belong on wall street not in the owner’s box at citi field.
              • jessep July 18, 2011 at 9:14 am

                probably worth noting that while Alderson was in San Diego they won 2 division titles in his 5 years. How many division titles did NYM win in 6 years of open checkbook baseball again?

                The Padres and the A’s had different budgets than the Mets. Not spending $150m doesn’t mean you’re going to spend $60m. And by the way, before the A’s owner died, Alderson did spend on the A’s in relation to where the rest of the league was.

                San Diego’s budget is different than New York.
                • metsaddict77 July 18, 2011 at 10:21 am

                  yeah but this isn’t the shitty nl west,they wouldn’t have competed that well if they were in the nl east.
                • alex68 July 18, 2011 at 10:29 am

                  san diego have to compete with the worst teams in baseball most of the time, dodgers (while depodesta was gm), rockies, arizona and san fran.. the mets have to compete with NL EAST and the new york yankees for fans and back pages, who the hell cares about NL WEST baseball, seriously.. nobody cares if the giants or dodgers go 5 or 6 years w/o making the playoffs, here in NY fans simply tune out.. ask art howe
                  • alex68 July 18, 2011 at 10:41 am

                    funny how you to make your point valid use 2001-2010.. how about from 2000-2010??? you are a very slick person.. since 1999 the mets have been to 3 NLCS and 1 world series, arizona to 1 WS, colorado got embarrassed by the sox, and san diego, well..
                  • jessep July 18, 2011 at 10:36 am

                    In the last 10 seasons 2001-2010, the Rockies, Diamondbacks and Giants have been to a World Series. How often have the Mets in that same time frame?

                    There is life in baseball outside of New York State.

                    Nobody cares if the Giants or Dodgers go 5 or 6 years without making the playoffs? Yeah because the Giants and Dodgers do so poor in attendance right?
• metsaddict77 July 18, 2011 at 10:54 am

  if take any of those good nl west teams that won and put them in this nl east they all would lose.the competition in the west is a joke.