Get Omar on the phone, maybe he’ll come back, overspend and we’ll still be playing golf during the post season.

Any team looking to compete would have to ante up 3 B prospects if we kick in enough cash.

Hint, it had something to do with taking chances in late 90′s and early 00′s and getting as many good draft pieces as they could.

You don’t think their recent success just happened by twisting their nose do you?

Flores, Niuwenhauss, Valdespin, Puello, Marte, Vaughn, A. Rodriguez, J. Rodriguez, Lagares, Havens, Den Dekker, Zapata. Only Kirk and Vaughn are from college and on track. Den Dekker appears to be a useful 4th OFer (as might Kirk) and Havens maybe running out of time. Even Fern as long as he’s seemed to be around could still make it up here because he’s only 23 right now.

A high school player deemed talented enough to be taken as one of the first 100 picks in the draft by multiple organizations is the literal cream of the crop pure talent wise that has continually been skimmed off before we draft because they take longer and cost more to sign.

True they may bust more often than the 21 year old college player but when they hit, they hit it bigger and for a longer period of time because it’s a pure talent pick. Skills get taught, prospect gets GROOMED. Add all that together you get a dominant player as opposed to a good player, and he dominates for a longer period of time and then transitions into a good player rather than a useful role player.

The Mets over the last 13 years have selected an extrodinary number of college pitchers who have busted one right after the other with our first, 2nd and 3rd round picks while actually making the “safe” medium floor, medium ceiling selection and then getting an upside of an Aaron Heilman those few times the pick does actually make it up here.

A team full of Aaron Heilman’s is the reason we have to import all of our true talent onto the 25 man roster and that costs us 1st, 2nd and 3rd round draft choices where the best players get selected as well as prospects already in our farm, clogs up the roster with deadwood, the DL with more frequently injured older players, and the payroll with expensive players we can’t even get rid of at any price.

Look at just The Mets for instance which isn’t a great example because of our previous draft philosophy heavy on lesser priced college players.

High school: Thole, Tejada, Reyes, Wright, Pagan, Beltran, Niese, Beato, Johan, Izzy, Paulino, K-Rod.

College: Gee, Capuano, Pelfrey, Dickey, Davis, Murphy, Turner, Bay, Parnell.

Historical Mets drafted or signed out of high school: Keith Hernandez, Mike Piazza, Gary Carter, Darryl Strawberry, Lenny Dykstra, Mookie Wilson, Sid Fernandez, Dwight Gooden, Jesse Orosco, Rafeal Santana, Ray Knight, Howard Johnson, Edgardo Alfonzo and plenty of more as well. Not to say that college players don’t have their place cause they do but certain positions almost demand you look to the HS or IFA because defensive skills are the first to go.

CF, SS and 2B must be filled by HS players or IFA’s (not to say that an Utley or Tulo cannot be an exception to that but their careers will be shorter all told)

A guy like our own Matt Den Dekker for instance really faces a time crunch because even right now at 23 years old (just promoted to AA) the clock is ticking. By the time that his bat is ready to play in the majors (BB/K, BA, OBP, SLG%) his defensive prime is quickly approaching (about 25-27) The period of time that all his skills are in the ideal range at the same time is going to be pretty short which leads to a shorter career. Same goes for a guy like Satin or Havens.

When you look at the “young man’s” positions of 2B, SS and CF once that first step and reactions get slower it becomes more difficult to find a position the bat will play at. Sure you can point to Yount (HS) and Biggio (college, but just 1 yr in the minors and up here at 22) but their really the exception.

The Phillies are notorious recently for preferring boom/bust types and you can see that reflected in their roster. Take Dominick Brown (20th rnd HS) for instance. Could be a boom, could be a bust. Draft 7 of these types every year and your almost bound to produce at least 1 Boom every three years and have a couple other real good looking guys kicking around the minors with time left to put it together to use as trade bait, depth and organizational competition.

Even if you bust on all seven every year, year after year you can still grab a league average guy somewhere which is about the upside of a Den Dekker
anyway for a few years so what have you lost by shooting for the stars? Just some extra cash in buying out their college comittments. That’s it.

What this team has needed for a over 20 years now is to skim the cream off the draft by selecting the highest talent and then properly developing it so those players useful primes are all in sync in our uniform, not someone else’s.

The bust ratio shouldn’t matter when your talking about reaching for the stars because all you need is one star every year and your doing better than everyone else. Bust ratio comes in when your making “safe” picks because those are expected to make it and produce at an average level.

Going HS player with our first two picks (and numerous others) this year was a very welcome change which if we continue to do and spend the money to get them into our system will pay a lot of dividends.

High School players are what formed the basis of both of our World Championship teams.

SOME PKGS HAVE VALUE SOME DON’T!

If that doesn’t imply you think Nimmo was selected by using sabermetrics then you really need to proof read your comments first.

How about this

Explain to me what sabermetrics have to do with taking Nimmo? Please. Enlighten me.

Specifically if you can answer what sabermetrics have to do with taking Nimmo instead of Bradley I would appreciate that.

If not, then please refrain from saying words you do not understand

This tells you everything you need to know about the Press! (And media in general!)

the BAD news is easy to write…the good news is ho hum!

I think Beltran will get a decent return. If they were to package him with a hurler, Capuano would make more sense to me, he’s been effective unlike Pelfrey.

Alex, I’ll grant u that the “IMMEDIATE” PITCHING CUPBOARD IS BARREN; but when talking draft immediacy is NOT the issue being addressed.

Attempting to deal him alone, offseason is BEST without question; but his value is depressed regardless of timing. By tying him in with Beltran u hope to trigger a “GIFT HORSE” reflex of dom’t make waves or I lose what I really need. it’s better to get who I need & attempt to deal with his companion after.

Supposedly theere’s 6 or 7 teams with interest out of a pool I believe is comprised of BOS,NYY,DET,CHW,CLE,PIT,MLW,STL,CIN,SF,AZ,ATL,PHL out of which, I presume BBOS,NYY,SF will be the most ardent. BOS is the DARKHORSE due to payroll constraints vic-a-vis Luxury threshold which likely makes them the most needy for salary assistance & thus possibly the more desperate to offset with returning talent. Whoever says they KNOW, is a self deluded fool

of those ahead of us in WC chase ATL is the sole hurtful destination as the Central is so tight as to award firtst place to whomever gets him, thus eliminating them from WC concern.