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2011
Latest Reactions and Updates On K-Rod Trade
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Latest Updates & Reactions on K-Rod Trade:
Buster Olney – There is reportedly a list of five minor leaguers that the Mets will choose from. None of them considered top prospects.
Mike Diaz – Round 1: Sandy Alderson vs. Scott Boras goes to Alderson. Boras got punched in the gut & took a right to the chin.
Francisco Rodriguez – “I want to thank all the Mets fans for their great support during these two and a half years.” (In Spanish)
Buster Olney – Milwaukee was willing to take on more money than any other team, so the decision was simple for the Mets.
Eric Simon - How the PTBNL works:
- The trade must be completed within six months of the rest of the transaction.
- Vast majority of PTBNLs are minor leaguers, by rule bo Brewers major leaguers can be included in deal.
- They can’t be 2011 draft picks because they can’t be traded until at least a year has elapsed since they sign their contract.
Joel Sherman – Exec on K-Rod trade: “Mets did not get good prospects because Brewers don’t have any good prospects left. This was a money deal.
Andy McCullough – This isn’t the official white flag, of course. That would be Beltran. And the Mets bullpen still contains a guy with a 2.66 xFIP in 24.2 IP.
Note: Just checked, and no word yet on who will replace K-Rod on 25-man roster.
Updated by Joe D.
Original Post 12:05 AM
The Mets have traded closer Francisco Rodriguez PLUS CASH to the Milwaukee Brewers for two players to be named later (PTBNL).
Alderson released this statement:
“We thank Frankie for his contributions to the Mets and wish him well with the Brewers,” Mets GM Sandy Alderson said in a statement. “This trade allows us to develop and more fully utilize other members of our 2011 bullpen and offers some payroll relief as well.”
Rodriguez, 29, is 2-2 with a 3.16 ERA and 23 saves this season with the Mets. He is in his 10th Major League season, posting a 32-27 record with a 2.54 ERA and 291 saves in 573 relief appearances with Los Angeles of Anaheim (2002-08) and New York (2009-11).
The four-time All-Star (2004, 2007-09) set the single-season save record with 62 in 2008 with the Angels.
Although none of the specifics of the deal are clear at the moment in regards to exactly how much cash or who the players are, the consensus thought seems to be K-Rod was expendable, and getting someone to take him was more important now while his option still has room to not vest.
K-Rod had an up and down career for the Mets, having a solid first season but with some key blown saves, a shortened second season due to the domestic violence and injuring his hand. K-Rod’s 2011 season was going fairly well, but he was being hit harder and walking more batters.
The biggest point that has been mentioned ad-nauseum was K-Rod and his possible vesting option. They have freed up 17.5 million from next years budget, and considering Sandy Anderson seems to be content on cutting the Mets payroll down to around 120 million, and resigning Reyes if Alderson pursues it will not be cheap.
More news when it becomes clearer.
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They got cash AND players? Nice.
They actually did what I suggested last week. They paid 5 mil, the amount of the upgrade in the option, so the Brewers got a good closer for a season and a half at normal salary. The thing is, why players to be named later? It isn’t the waiver period. Nobody has to pass through anything. Are they getting guys off the 25 man roster?
The monkey will be all over this trade because that’s what monkey’s do, they cannot comprehend the idea of diminishing returns.
K-Rod had the two worst seasons of his career in our uniform and got himself hurt and missed the last 6 weeks in the other year.
He’s a pitcher who is either in decline or pitching through some type of injury while focusing on making sure his option vests. Once that 55 games finished clause kicks in he and Borass will begin their power play. He’ll be a problem in the clubhouse, go on the DL, demand a longer guarantee (2/24 + 3.5 M buyout)or some other creative Borass type squeeze play. Getting out from under that option at any cost was a huge move by Alderson. Thank God Minaya didn’t give a blanket no trade or we would have been seriously hosed.
K-Rod saves games at an 85% clip (with a lot of ageda) That’s not something a well conceived bullpen can’t replace by spreading it around as opposed to giving it all to one guy and having to scour at the landfill like last off season.
As for the return from the Brewers it has to be put in context. Milwaukee was one of only 19 clubs that didn’t require K-Rod’s consent (which Borass almost assuredly wouldn’t have given) In addition, of the 19 clubs which K-Rod could be dealt to, anyone without a clear #1 closer was out of the running unless they were willing to let that option vest. We have no idea which clubs we could/couldn’t make a deal without securing K-Rod’s consent so we have no idea how many of those 19 clubs, A.) were “in the hunt”, B.) had an established closer (or didn’t mind if the option vested), C.) could even take on salary if they wanted or D.), even wanted a set up man with declining skills, or E.) was dying to have a Borass represented player with a performance based option in his potential walk year.
I’d say that list of teams that qualified on all 5 accounts was pretty limited. Less than 5 of the 19 for sure so striking a deal with any of them was a win for us as it will allow us to offer a Chad Qualls a 2nd year to come here or pay an Aaron Harang double or add a Joel Peralta or whatever other type of move would better benefit the club in 2012 and 2013. where the odds of actually winning a wild card should hopefully be a heck of a lot better than they are right now sitting 7 back of a team with an excellent rotation and bullpen with less than 80 games to go and five other teams in between and two more on our tail.
The fact that Alderson reacted so quickly to Borass’ attempted squeeze play will only serve to make subsequent dealings with agents a little less heavy handed and some GM’s who preffered to “wait and see” a little quicker to pull the trigger on Alderson’s terms rather than risk losing a player they would really like to have as reflected in Bob Melvin’s statement about how he would be “kicking himself” if something had happened and he hadn’t agreed to the deal.
I wonder how K-Rod feels about winding up in Milwaukee with very little chance of his option vesting now? It really wouldn’t surprise me in the least to see him hurt his value by pouting in the Brewer clubhouse. I also wonder how the guy who really did need K-Rod feels right now (Cashman) The NYY didn’t require approval, have the most credible closer of all time and certainly could have afforded the 17M (and saved their season) if Rivera did go down.
Alderson showed both of them and served notice to all the others at the same time that we are no longer at the mercy of agents and shrewder GM’s because we have one of those our self now. If we were able to extract a useful part or two from Milwaukee that could either be a long term meaningful piece or a closer, short term hold the fort guy that would be very welcome. Our farm system is packed solid with potential utility and back up types so anything that we get from the Brewers that represents an upgrade over that is just gravy.
Of course this is all over the monkey’s head because he cannot think more than 1 step ahead and will react to this move by being a fighting, angry, spitting monkey but that’s alright. The monkey might be able to learn a thing or two in due time even if the odds of that are considerably longer than the odds of us winning a Wild Card this year, with Frankie or without.
they moved him to one of our competitors. I don’t like the message this sends at all..he better get Axford back.
Very little chance Axford comes back. That move would make Sandy executive of year by itself.
Shill doesn’t begin to explain what you are. Executive of the year for this move? Yeah no other baseball GM can make a move like this. As if you’re in the know about relationships between baseball GMs. Give me a God Damned break!
Well it better be Axford because he just moved K-Rod to a team that is only 2.5 games ahead of the Mets. OR Alderson better believe in his heart, look the fans in the eye and HONESTLY say this team is better off with Parnell OR one of these PTBNL as closer
You should introduce yourself to Mr. Axford. Trading K-Rod for a player, money AND Axford would be unheralded.
MIlwaukee is 5 games back of the Braves. If they were the only team in front of us you might have a point. Too many teams to climb over.
Bayonne, quite lilely this move gives Brews the Central title, removing them from W/C consideration, now let’s just deal with our friends in STL. The PTBNL concept may work in our favor, ther’s no guarantee we don’t need more than we know of at this time as Reyes is not guaranteed to return & Tejada can’t man 2B & SS, if Parnell’s the new Closer we’ll need a replacement cheap setup option I’m not familiar with Brews’ MiLB inventory; but tend to trust DiPodesta & Ricciardi’s due diligence after spotting Emaus & Beato. Emaus just wasn’t quite cooked enough & had inflasted Las Vegas stats; but he looked decent for what he cost us($25K) for a test drive that bought us time to continue cooking Ruben. MLB-TV showed a graphic of Bres leading the league in “games lost by pen” losing that poien pill option along with another Boras client for anyone with a heartbeat is a +, two of them make it a ++,IMO. Sometim,es it’s more about the situation u escape(frying pan) than the one u r entering(fire); but we’ll see in October or so. At this point & time, since I haven’t read or heard Jeff’s name mentioned, my tendancy is to believe not despair. Hell, to date, Jeff could screw up a Wet Dream without trying; but merely ‘suggesting’ or advising.
OK who closes, Parnell or Izzy ?
My guess is Parnell and Beato take turns until one takes the job. I think if it comes down to Izzy, it’s because both kids failed, and that’s not good.
This is just the beginning. Beltran will be next.
Quite frankly if the Mets are giving up the season to save money AND in New York. This doesn’t bode well for this organization. Because they’ll do it again.
you think this because you have a woefully poor understanding of the importance of the closer.
Did you really expect this season to play out any different ? They are not that good and Reyes and Wright are still weeks away from returning.
The Moneyballers got what they wantd, here comes the dismantling they said wouldnt happen. Watch out Beltran you’re next, and then Reyes. Lets call ourselves the Royals. What a bunch of white-flag waving mornons.
Reyes won’t be traded, not unless he’s overwhelmed with a offer. Sandy’s not blowing up this team for nothing.
Congrats you’re the first to you moneyball (and inaccurately again) in this thread, was wonder how long it would take.
Just maybe this will leave money to re-sign Reyes, but lets not bother look beyond the tip of our noses or anything. Let the words be thrown around inaccurately.
Talk about white flag waving morons…………
This is great news!!!!!!! K-Rod needed to go last year!!! Mets won’t get Axford back, they will get 2 minor leaguers, which is fine CUZ THIS SAVES THEM A TON OF MONEY TO KEEP REYES!!! And I’d love to see Beltran go next!!!! We need some more pitching!!! Parnell is fine as the closer!! And once Wright, Reyes & Ike come back……… get rid of Bay too!!! Less payroll & maybe more people can afford to go to these damn games!!!!
A lot of guys can close. How many times do guys get easy saves because they come in and face 6-7-8 in the 9th inning. Joel Hanrahan is an all star because he closes. He sucked as a starter. There are really very few elite guys. And most save situations involve more than a one run lead.
Reyes will NOT get traded. Not sure they will be able to keep him. Beltran is definately a goner, he wants out badly anyway. Will we become the Royals ? That all depends on the owners who are calling the shots no matter what they say. That moron Jeff Wilpon has his fingers in everything.
HEY SEAN KENNY!!! The Mets gave the cash they didnt get the cash!!!!! FIX YOUR MISTAKE BECAUSE THE MONEYBALLERS ARE ALREADY PARADING WHAT A GENIUS ALDERSON IS WHEN IN FACT HE’S A CLOWN!
I knew that part was too good to be true. You’re right, they gave cash. By the way, what’s a moneyballer?
I’m glad somebody fixed that error which I’m wondering if it wasnt intentional on the part of Saber err Sean Kenny. I’m still not ready to proclaim what a moneyballer is because it’s still evolving, but it’s not good.
Ah, ok. So you’re speaking in definites about things of which you’re uninformed. Right. Who didn’t see that one coming?
Look in the mirror clown, avoiding overpaying a closer 17.5 million when 99.9% of the world would rather sign an every day all-start SS isn’t exactly genius………….
It’s common sense, CLOWN
You may want to add fiber to your diet.
K-Rod is owed 4.9 million for rest of season. Not clear yet how much Mets are picking up, but, they are paying a piece of it.
They might be kicking in some more for the option. We’ll have to wait till all the details come out.
That 17 million we’ll save can go towards Reyes new contract.
And let me just say this.
Omar Miniya is an blithering idiot…..a 17 million dollar option based on finishing 53 game for an elite…the way mangers go through pitchers today?
NAAAAA, NAAAAA, NAAAAAA HEY, HEY, HEY, Goodbye!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
A Winner:
“That’s awesome,” the Milwaukee slugger Prince Fielder said in Phoenix after the game. “That’s a big trade; he can really help us. He’s a great player. It definitely gives us a spark.”
A Loser:
“This trade allows us to develop and more fully utilize other members of our 2011 bullpen”, Alderson said. “It offers us some payroll relief as well.”
LOL
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#Mets will choose their players to be named from a list of five Brewers Minor Leaguers by a date in September.
The players in this deal will be worthless. This deal was nothing more than a salary dump (really just to make sure we don’t have to pay him next season). This helps a great deal towards affording to keep Reyes.
If Beltran gets dealt we’ll get a decent player back. Bay on the other hand would be a straight salary dump.
But make no mistake, this was an excellent trade for us. KRod was not in our plans for the future, and that 17 mill was hanging over this teams head as a major road block to resigning Jose. Now it is no longer.
100%
Agreed.
K-Rod bounced back nicely from a tumultuous 2010 season. His competent performance and rehabilitated character allowed for this trade to occur.
Alderson had no choice but to deal K-Rod. Inasmuch as I would like Beltran to stay and Bay to go, that’s not in the tea leaves. Beltran will be the second commodity to go. Beltran’s value will never be higher. He is a knee injury away from having absolutely no value. I like Beltran alot, but he’s got to go.
I pray that Jason Bay’s bat wakes up. He’s the nicest person one could ever meet. He needs to take those outside pitches to right field, as he did in LA. He swings and misses when he pulls off those pitches. Easy to say, difficult to do.
So… Here are the terms I’ve been told.
Brewers get K-rod and 5 mill to cover this year’s salary, and The Mets get a choice from 2 minor leaguers this September. It has yet to be determined whether K-rod will close over there, but it is assumed. And no word on Mets closer.
There is a pool of five minor leaguers from which the Mets can choose. No word on who they are.
my bad. The Mets choose 2 from a pool of 5. And right, no word on who any of them are.
If one of them is this guy ( http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=boggs-001bra ), I’ll go pick him up at the airport. But I wouldn’t be upset if Sandy just went with two arms.
I’m a pitching maniac myself, so I agree. Boggs seems like he’s worth a glance but the ceiling… I don’t know. His AAA numbers aren’t too impressive, but he could pan out to be a serviceable major leaguer.
I have a gut feeling Aldersons going to go with pitching. hopefully a similar deal that the A’s did when they sent the Mets their veteran closer for two pitching porspects… one f them, Jason Isringhausen
You know I wouldn’t be surprised Xtreemlcon, he doesn’t look like much but look at that OBP!
He is the classic SABR pickup, under the radar. Excellent pick Xtreemlcon. That is a very definite possibility
Well, sure the OBP is real nice, but I also like his SLG%, the fact that he’s gotten better at the next level and the scouting reports say he can play the field and run the bases. He’s got 7 home runs in 205 PAs in AAA so far this season.
I give you the fact that his OBP is impressive, but he’s only got 39 hits overall in those PA. He’s batting .241.He is packing a nice OPS and he doesn’t ground into many DPs. He strikes out more than he walks, and he’s 28. If he can put together some more hits at the place and keep his patience, he’d be interesting. But a little old to call a prospect, if one were to think that.
He’s gotten better at each level and shows a lot of promise. He doesn’t look like a superstar, but if the Mets can shed that option and turn a PTBNL into a decent major leaguer, that’s gotta be considered a huge win.
And because you’re my boy, Satish, this one’s for you… http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=thornb001tyl
minorleaguebaseball.com has him in the Brewers top 20, though, so I’m not sure if Milwaukee would include him in the pool of 5.
28? Sounds like the next Jason Pridie Emaus….
a little Chris Caarter-ish?
Brandon Boggs is already 28. He’s a 4th outfielder/AAAA guy at best.
I’m presuming that they got something better than that.
New York is the #1 market in the world. This move is made simply to take money off the books by an owner who got fooled into a Ponzie scam. So they want to cut the budget from 140 to 100 million and compete? Who are they kidding?
The Wilpons should sell. The fans should stop coming to the ball park until they do.
This has a late 70′s smell to it.
In addition to a previous OVERpaying for a closer, but no one seems to care about that.
The whole stop going to the ball park does crap except tell the rest of the world we aren’t tough enough to deal with adversity.
Psst, the Wilpons ARE in the process of selling and if you think this small part to Einhorn is all he’s going to settle for, I have a bridge to sell you.
You don’t think teams with a $100 million payroll can compete?
Donal -no – not in New York. Too much pressure. And not with the Yankee factor who own a payroll twice as high.
The bigger question is why does a number one market team have to compete with a mid-range payroll…I’m not in favor of the Omar approach – which was to throw a ton of money at a few players and ignore things like the bullpen. The reality is that it takes more money to get quality players to play in NYC.
And NYMetsfan – I hope you are right.
There are three great things about this move. First, “K-Rod” is gone. Especially, after last year’s implosion due to domestic violence. Second, the $17.5 million won’t vest which frees up salary for the pursuit of other options. Finally, we won’t be dealing with Scott Boras on this one. After the Oliver Perez negotiations, let him be a problem for another!
I predict hell be a bust as a setup man as he is a pure closer that needs to feel pressure to thrive. Good move by Mets!
How can anyone be upset over this move???
Krod’s numbers were not that good. Look below the surface. The guy choked on every single high pressure situation he was put in. He always let runners on. He was not and will never be a lights out closer. I will always remember all the homeruns he gave on the 9th inning.
The attitude, the ego, the bumness and the outrageous option, switching to scott boras…
So glad Krod is gone!
same: i will give you the chance to tell me who was better than him in your opinion
I actually feel very good about this move. I feel that we have traded KRod away in exchange for Jose’ Reyes! What a great trade that is! That made my day. Now we are free from all the histrionics of our main drama queen. He was a big pay dude and totally unreliable, always working his butt into a jam whether trying to close a game out or with off-field antics. Better to be done with him, his greed, and his greedy agent. In exchange, we gain the opportunity to resign Reyes. This is a win and I don’t care who the 2 PTBNL’s are. They could be 2 8th graders from PS 52 for all I care. Bye KROD, have fun with the Brew Crew and your set-up job with no chance of cashing in your $17M bonus. Be careful and don’t get your butt slammed into the Milwaukee County klink for assault someone when you lose your cool next time.