24
2011
Beltran Will Only Approve A Deal To NL Team
An article by Hojo's Mojo
Here is the latest on the Carlos Beltran trade front.
Updated 7/24 8:00 PM
According to Jayson Stark of ESPN, Carlos Beltran has told the Mets he only wants to be traded to one of seven National League contenders.
Carlos Beltran told a friend this weekend that despite his public statements that he would approve a trade to Texas or Boston, he has told the Mets he only wants to be traded to one of seven National League contenders, according to a source familiar with that conversation.
Stark says Beltran doesn’t want to approve a deal to Texas because the Rangers would want him to play center field and because he’s not familiar with the AL West. Texas has been described by multiple sources to have ramped up its pursuit of Beltran over the weekend.
Updated 7/24 1:00 AM
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Updated 7/23 1:00 PM
The Mets and Rangers have ramped up scouting each other according to Adam Rubin of ESPN New York.
The Rangers have zeroed in on Carlos Beltran…in advance of the July 31 trade deadline. Rangers have a scout watching Beltran in Miami, expected to continue watching during the next stop in Cincinnati.
Meanwhile, a source indicated the Mets have ramped up watching Rangers minor leaguers. Mets scout Bryan Lambe is watching Texas low-Class A players at Hickory after being redirected, Rubin reports.
Beltran is on record as saying he prefers to remain in the National League.
Buster Olney of ESPN, indicates that in addition to the Rangers, the Red Sox, Giants, Phillies and Braves are all actively in hot pursuit as well.
As for what the Mets may get in return, speculation is running rampant, but the Giants and Phillies have both indicated that they will not give up any top prospects in a Beltran deal.
Top baseball prospects such as outfielders Domonic Brown and Gary Brown, as well as pitchers Mike Minor and Zach Wheeler have all been mentioned in various rumors by the usual suspects.
But the reality is that while they make for great headlines and water cooler conversation, it’s unlikely either will be traded for Carlos Beltran who is a two month rental that will NOT net a team any draft picks once he’s gone.
I do expect one of those players will be traded, but probably for a player like Hunter Pence who is a young rising star, very productive, and will still be under team control for two more years.
The Mets will get a prospect or maybe two for Carlos Beltran, but more in line with players like Kirk Nieuwenhuis, Lucas Duda or Mark Cohoon, which of course is still better than nothing, but nowhere close to the caliber of talent being bandied about by the Jon Heymans of the world.
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If there’s any chance that the Mets can re-sign Beltran as a free agent, take the two second tier prospects and run!
Terif, two word negative answer…SCOTT BORAS!
Someone would have to be on crack to give up dominic brown or help even mike minor for 2 months of Carlos Belgian. Doesn’t matter if he ends up with 40 home runs and 120 rbi. It’s absurdity at its best
Who’s Carlos Belgian? LMAO.
lol, thats what I was about to ask him.
From a purely production based standpoint your right, but from a win now, when you have a chance standpoint your wrong.
The way Atlanta exited the playoffs last year with Brooks Conrad making 3 errors and Philly with one guy (Cody Ross) causing so much damage and even with SF winning the Pennant with one guy who was red hot (and now isn’t) and two guys who hit a couple huge HR’s gone (Uribe and Reneteria) and Posey out for the year, one huge bat w/out platoon splits, can make all the difference……to all of them. Not just in getting Beltran but also in not having to face him.
SF, Philly and Atlanta are all pretty good bets to make it back to the playoffs but when they face each other again…….The difference between getting eliminated in the first round vs. the NLCS is probably about 50 Million dollars and another 50 Million for the World Series. That’s certainly worth a Zack Wheeler, Gary or Dominick Brown, Christian Bentancourt, Eddie Salcedo or Mike Minor.
Flags fly forever!
Agee – you are a piece of work. For a year you have been complaining about the Mets trading prospects and draft picks for a chance to get to go deep into the post season. You have knocked the Putz trade relentlessly all week. A trade that was made after the Mets missed the post season by ONE GAME.
And now you comment on this post that Atlanta and Philly should give up the farm for a 2 month rental of Beltran? Come on, really?
So you bash Omar for doing what you now say Philly and Atlanta should do?
Were not the Mets a pretty good bet to make it back to the playoffs in 2007 when they went after Johan Santana??
So you pound the Mets for trading Kevin Mulvey and Mike Carp for two all stars that were NOT RENTALS.
But you say it’s ok to trade a top 5 MLB prospect like Brown and Wheeler for a 2 month rental with a HUGE injury history?
Wow!
I’m not saying it’s the right thing to do. I’m saying people do that. There is a certain justification for being buyers when your in a position in late July with a legitimate chance, and an incentive to not only buy, but also prevent your competitors from acquiring a difference maker like Carlos Beltran.
there really is no comparison to the Santana and Putz deals here anyway and Santana cost a lot more than just Mulvey and Putz cost a lot more than Carp but that’s a different point.
Again as I said in the first sentence their are pros and cons to making this type of move. Among the numerous differences are the facts that we’re not talking about 5 or 6 guys for one. Another big difference is the fact that you not only add Carlos Beltran to your team but you also prevent your two most likely competitors from adding him. That’s worth a premium.
Another big difference is whether your farm can handle the loss. Atlanta’s certainly can from a pitching standpoint. SF probably as well. Philly less so.
Atlanta from a catching standpoint (Betancourt) Probably not unless they have an a good feel about McCann but from SS with Pasternicky and Salcedo, possibly.
None of these guys are top 5 MLB prospects either. Top 1-10 or so within their own system. Big difference They are all highly regarded however and again we’re not talking six of them.
Personally If I were the Giants I would certainly consider it. Braves if it involved pitching and Philly not at all if it mean’t having to hand over Brown to a Division rival for 6 years or more.
Trading away a 26 year old LH starting pitcher, a great bench player, 2 current relief pitchers, a 23 year old AAA firstbasmen and two young 19 year old prospects (Cleto and Carrera) for an injured relief pitcher on a team with no depth in the farm is a far cry from trading a top prospect for exactly what makes you stronger and prevents your main competitors from getting stronger.
And don’t forget about having the inside track on signing Beltran (with no additional comp required) should he like SF, Atl or Philly. All of those teams will have a need for a platoon neutral power hitter the next couple of years too.
Good idea as your main source of procurring talented players? Of course not. In selected situations, maybe.
Besides Philly, SF and Atlanta aren’t 88 or 89 win teams. Their considerably better than that already.
That’s all I said.
Maniac, Teams with legitimate playoff asperations have rotations like Lincecum, Cain, Bumgarner, Sanchez, Zito or Jurjens, Hanson, Hudson, Lowe, Beachy or Halliday, Lee, Hamels, Oswalt, not Santana, Pelfrey, Maine, Perez, Livan and Redding. With those pitching staffs one big HR per series can make a massive difference in the outcome and if you do have a strong farm system, well that’s part of the benefit of having one. We didn’t, and still don’t.
In addition, reportedly their is a chance to get Beltran at very little cost in terms of salary, not the case with Putz or Santana.
Way too many differences in these situations to even begin comparing them.
agee… we both know Pelf, Maine, Ollie and Livan are way better than Hanson, Hudson, Lowe and Beachy
Don’t we?
No?
*crickets*
Course we do Jessep.
We also know that SF, Atlanta and Philly have produced many many of their players. By 2009 we had already made numerous trades from our farm for Delgado, La Duca, Santana, Church/Schneider, Castillo, and given away draft picks for Pedro, Beltran, Wagner, Alou, and K-Rod.
Coming on the heels of the Phillips/Duquette trading anyone of any value whatsoever and busting on all of their draft choices the absolute last thing we needed was a 6 for 1 trade which looking back upon has cost us a fairly decent LH starting pitcher, a real good ROOGY and a fantastic 4th OFer. None of whom we have been able to replace two and a half years later.
Agee, Are you suggesting we didn’t do well in the Santana trade? Please clarify. Forgive my ignorance but what is a ROOGY?
Rookie? I don’t know.
Sloatsburg, I was referring to the Putz trade which included Jason Vargas decent 28 year old LH starting pitcher for Seattle, Joe Smith a real good looking 26 year old RH relief pitcher (ROOGY – Righty One Out Guy) and Endy Chavez an extremely useful and versitile 4th/5th OFer.
None of these spots have been adequately filled since the Putz trade. In fact all three represent areas ignored by the prior GM. The backend of the rotation, the backend of the pen and the backend of the bench.
In addition there is Carrera a back up Cfer now 22 and Cleto also 22 striking out a batter an inning out of the pen in AAA.
That’s way too much to give up for just one guy (Putz) when the farm you inherited 4 years ago was barren as a desert and you’ve already traded prospects or given up draft choices inorder to acquire just about everyone on the roster (except those like Reyes and Wright that you inherited)
At some point you have to start acquiring guys who don’t cost you prospects or draft choices but their a little more iffy. Come with a few questions, aren’t guaranteed sure performers like Putz, Castillo, Bay, Wagner, Perez, Schowenweiss, Mota, Alou.
The Phillies for instance weren’t only looking at the expensive free agent list or guys other teams wanted to get rid of at a steep price. They were also looking at rule 5 and non tenders. That’s how they got Victorrino and Werth.
Any one can order off the expensive free agent list or make the 6 useful ingredients trade for an injured relief pitcher but it takes REAL General Managing to come up with useful (or better) ingredients that don’t cost you prospects and draft choices like the Phillies did with adding Victorinno and Werth to guys they had come through their system like Rollins, Utley, Ruiz, Howard, Hamels.
That’s how you win World Series Championships.
Ah!!! Thanks for the clarify!!! HUGE difference from what you meant and what I thought you meant.
Maniac: There has to be somewhere deep within your baseball brain that understands the value of Carlos Beltran to a team with a legitimate chance at winning a World Series is worth more than JJ Putz was worth to the Mets?
I echoe Maniac’s sentiments exactly,
This is an UNBELIEVABLE case of second guessing and that is ALL agee does on this site is second guess not just move but he second guesses an organization’s entire history.
So he says it’s okay for the Phillies, SF, or ATL to trade a top prospect or 2 to rent a guy in order to try and win a championship BUT when Omar Minaya did the EXACT same thing when he felt he was one or 2 players away he gets killed for it.
Unfortunately it did not work out for Minaya and that opened the gates for all the second guessers (which I guess agee is the corporal) meanwhile now it’s okay for another team to do the same thing that the Second Guesser feels is bad to do ONLY when he finds out later on it didn’t work out.
And that’s agee’s m.o. – “after he finds out a move doesn’t work, a gamble doesn’t work, a RISK doesn’t work out” then he second guesses it and oh he’ll only select the circumstances where the prospect actually worked out in lieu of the failed ‘risk move’ the contending GM made.
agee is a pathological second guesser and the worst armchair, monday morning quaterback on this site, and very creative at it too
If we get any prospect of value for Beltran, I’ll be thrilled. Even more so because it appears we are nearing a deal with San Fran. However I don’t know half as much about the situation as the FO so I’m reserved about it.
A team that gets Beltran and makes it to the playoffs and wins it all will get benefits way beyond a “two month” rental. The team will get millions from post season play, an expanded fan base, increased season ticket sales for 2012 and maybe beyond. Yes they may have to give up a top prospect but that is assuming the top prospect would have stayed in the organization anyway and many of them wind up traded before they get to the big club or after one season anyway. Look at Adam Wainwright of the Cardinals. The Breaves traded him and he definitely was a star they should have kept. You need to win it all and this is the first priority. Now it is up to the Mets to get something in return.
This is one of the reasons you build a strong farm. So you can add an ingredient at the trade deadline. The Phils have recently cashed in a number of prospects in their trades for Halliday, Lee and Oswalt but still have a decent system. SF has several highly regarded prospects and Atlanta a couple of dozen.
Maniac wondered why I, after criticizing the 6 for 1 JJ Putz deal, could rationalize teams like SF, Atl and Philly trading an organizational top prospect (Gary Brown is ranked 3rd in SF, 33rd MLB top prospects) but these teas have great farm systems. Look at all the players already on their 25 man roster that came through the farm. They didn’t trade their farm for every player already on the roster.
By 2009 Minaya had spent prospects or handed over draft choices to fill Catcher (twice), first base (twice), 2B, LF (twice), CF, and RF as well as two rotation spots, 2 set up men and two closers.
You cannot trade for every single guy (except the couple you inherit like Reyes and Wright) and then be able to afford yet another 6 for 1 deal or your going to run out of players. Plain and simple. And we did.
In this instance your talking 1 guy who gets you a Carlos Beltran, seemingly able to play without difficulty on his knee, still plays a decent OF, great arm, great instincts, can take the occasional extra base, hits for average, doubles and HR’s, gets OB and drives guys in and is a proven playoff performer, has neutral platoon splits, really solidifies your lineup (not someone else’s) and with 3 NL teams all starved for offense is a perfect fit and one that really gives you a leg up on the other two teams in the NL you have to get through, and the cost is free!!
We paid Putz 5M plus his 1.5 M buyout to stink up the joint. Beltran is free! Maybe 1 M at the most.
Making the bold deadline splash will of course hurt in the long run but it’s difficult to assemble those sorts of pitching staffs. Atlanta will be here for a long time to come but SF and especially Philly might not have more than a couple of years left. If Cody Ross could derail the Phils last year imagine what Carlos could do to them this year.
Guys, IMO, this isn’t as much about acquiring what Beltran can deliver in 2 month+playoffs; it’s about depriving your competitor those attributes while getting to add them yourself with minimal payroll effect.
That’s exactly what it is. Deal for him or wind up facing him in the playoffs.
T, because of Boras’ tendency/track record of moving his clients off their last team’s roster ad because Beltran wishes to stay in the NL; I believe it’s most important for us to deal him TO PHL to keep them from adding him for a couple of seasons instead if a couple of months!
NB Ibanez’ 11M expires this season if Carlos is dealt to ATL, SF or any othe non-PHL destination is it farfetched to fear PJL inking him(@ 3/33M) as Raul’s replacement in their outfield(RF) moving Brown to LF
Now, that’s a major concern, PHL with 4 outfield options of VICTORINO,BELTRAN,BROWN,MAYBERRY in that claustrophobic CIGAR BOX PARK.(CBP)
It sounds like we’re only giving Beltran to Philly for Brown, in which case that’s such a lopsided trade that we would do it. We aren’t gonna trade him to Philly for the same value SF would give us.
NC? WHERE? I’M IN MECKLENBERG COUNTY(MATTHEWS). WITH BORAS’ REP FOR NOT KEEPING CLIENTS IN PLACE REGARDLESS OF OPEN MARKET, SEE BELTRAN’S ’04 DEPARTURE FROM HOUSTON DESPITE THEIR DESPERATION TO KEEP HIM, IT’S A SAFE BET TO PRESUME IF HE’S DEALT ANYWHERE; BUT PHL, HE’LL MORE LIKELY BE SIGNED BY PHL, WHIO’LL BE FREE OF IBANEZ’ CONTRACT($11M IN ’2011) DEALING HIM TO PHL, WEAKENS PHL BY A TOP PROSPECT BE IT BROWN OE WHOMEVER AS WELL AS LESSENS ODDS HE’LL STAY THERE BEYOND OCTOBER. A PHL DEAL FAVORS NYM ON MOTRE TYHAN ONE FRONT.
’62, I believe we have to trade Carlos where ever he’ll get us the best return (and agree to go to)
I’m not sure if Philly signs him in 2012 regardless of where he winds up.
Philly’s at the top of their payroll right now and they have Rollins and Hamels to take care of. Ruiz soon, decide about 3B and what to do with Utley soon as well as Blanton and Oswalt, plus they have Brown, Singleton, Francisco and Mayberry as potentials for the OF.
I cannot see Beltran signing for less than 10-12 over 2 or 3 years so where’s the payroll flexibility coming from?
Philly’s finished in a couple of years anyway unless their current pitching staff in the FL St. League starts coming through for them in a big way as well as the 4 potentials and a few others like Valle.
T, PHL IS A LEGIT CONTENDING DESTINATION IF DOM BROWN ISN’T A FIGMENT BUT RATHER A COMPONENT WITH US SUPPOSEDLY WILLING TO P/U THE REMAING ’11 FREIGHT, I COULD CERTAUINLY IMAGINE BELTRAN’S WILLINGNESS TO ACCEPT A POSSIBLE 2,3 YRS @ 11.5M PER WHICH WOULD BE PHILLY REALLOCATING THEIR IBANEZ INVESTMENT TO BELTRAN FOR AN EXTENDED FEW YRS AS IBANEZ IS ALSO A F/A AFTER THIS SEASON COMING OFF OF THIS DEAL W/PHILLY:
3 years/$31.5M (2009-11)
signed by Philadelphia as a free agent 12/16/08
$2M signing bonus
09:$6.5M, 10:$11.5M, 11:$11.5M
limited no-trade protection
Why don’t you use more caps and less punctuation it would make your posts twice as unreadable, and I would risk Beltran resigning in Philly to get Dominic Brown. BTW I’m in Raleigh, met Josh Thole and talked to him at a Durham Bulls game last year he’s a really nice guy, easy to root for, him and Parnell.
It’s the substance of what ’62 has to say that make his posts well worth reading. That and the fact that he discusses baseball from a sometimes unique perspective in a rational and respectful way.
I’ve always enjoyed his point of views and his years of being a Met Fan are only surpassed by his knowledge and passion for the Team.
Sorry, NC; but CAPSLOCK IS EASIEST FOR ME TO USE WITH MY CURENT LH DISABILITY, PAP(Part of Aging Process) much better to alternative. I believe most of the ‘kids’ on this team are “really nice guys” One character flaw we’ve been rather successful in avoiding is arrogance, as in J-Roll, Ramirez, Cabrerra. I, too, indstinctively like Josh; but he’s frustrating me out of my chair with his seeming withdrawal instead of progression. I’ve allowed for his career inexperience as a late convert to the “tools of ignorance”; however his seeming inability to maintain his stengths @ performance level while improving upon his weaknesses simultaneously is alarming.
Once Parnell, understands that his CAVEMAN approach to trouble(throw harder) is counterproductive @ this advanced level he’ll qualify as a serious closing consideration. Next Spring, I’d advocate TC & Dan remove his fastball from his options in a few games until he proves he can survive without it while also restricting his slider to no more thn 90MPH, a respectable ST velocity & one that will provide him the greatest effect & movement. It certainly appears to me tht our development ‘guides’ in the early levels succombed to the sexiness of triple digits.
’62, Philly is going to be heads and tails above us for the next 2-3 years with, or without Beltran.
We can’t match Halliday, Lee, Hamels, nor can we match Ruiz, Utley, and probably Dominick Brown.
We aren’t going to be resigning Beltran because he wants out of Queens ASAP so if they get him they get him. I wouldn’t like it, I hope they don’t but we’re not a threat to derail them or the Braves until 2014 IMO.
What we can do though is instead of Brown ask for Singleton. That allows Philly to keep their crown jewel and we get a better, more consistent player in Jonathon Singleton L/L 19, 1B/LF ADVANCED plate discipline WITH power as the youngest player (along w/Flores) in the Fl. St. League.
If we could add Singleton (8 HR’s) to a list of other potentials drafted or signed by Minaya and some added by Alderson we could have a bunch of guys arriving up here all at the same time.
C – Cordero/Pena/Ruiz 1B Singleton/Rodriguez, 2B Havens/Valdespin, SS Coranado, 3B /Lutz/Marte, RF Vaughn/Puello, CF Den Deker, LF Lagares/Singleton with one or two a year of Mejia, Famillia, Harvey, Gorski, Rodriguez, Morris, Tapia, Urbina.
There are very few guys who hit HR’s as teenagers in the Florida St. League ( only one guy 21 years old has more and no one 20 years old) and very few who have a good ratio of BB’s to K’s 53/79 (compare to fellow 19 year old Wilmer Flores 19/48)
Not that I’m a scout or anything but Singleton’s numbers really look great at such a young age facing competition anywhere from 22-25 years old as a 19 year old.
T, I don’t think a NY team can survive anymore on a multi year reconstruction plan and they’ll need to show a better outlook in ’12,13. Few teams have ever “gone into a successful Season with as much inexperience as you are portending for ’14. I still believe there better be a strong improvement over F-Mart,Duda, Pridie, Capt. Kirk before ’14 & fan patience totally evaporates.
I disagree Re. our ability to close the Rotational gap primarily as Halladay & Lee age @ high remuneration levels constricting PHL movements due to finances creating an oportunity as “THE 4 ACES of the 2010 rotation” has already cracked like the Liberty Bell. Presently, contractually, their pitching prowess has them fully extended financially with little room for maneuvering as they face these key contract decision dates:
HALLADAY: 2014OPTION @ 27.5M
LEE: 2016 OPTION @ 27.5M
OSWALT: 2012 OPTION @ 16M or 2M buyout
HAMELS: ENTERING 1st F/A PERIOD after tis Season
BLANTON: 2012 CONTRACT EXPIRATION @ 9.5M
LIDGE: 2012 OPTION @ 12.5M or 1.5M buyout
ROLLINS & IBANEZ both enter F/A market in November
can u envision attempting to fit a bilging sixe 18 neck in a 16″ collar?
With the Phillies occupying our once familiasr position as #1 Payroll in NL @ $172,976,379.00 with the already oldest roster(29.7 avg age) in the League breaking down physically with seeming regularity their point in time is ALL to reminiscient of our ’06 lofty perch constructed differently around a studly aging rotation less & less likely to pitch efficiently enough to minimize the retrobate bullpen they’ve magnificently minimized these past 2 Seasons(’10,’11) with little payroll allowance for significant improvement in an age of inflationary mifddle relief costs.
Why deal him to a team that won’t give up a decent prospect for him? SF is adamant that they’d rather pay his salary & not give up a prospect. In other words they want an all star for free.
’86, I’d never describe pivkining up a 6-8M tab for 3 mos as “free”. Stop believing every blatherer out there & trust the guy making the decisions, Sandy, at least unil he proves untrustworthy.
I call if “free” because they are willing to eat his salary and not give any worthwhile prospects. It’s “free” because the Mets would receive nothing of value in return. If you could hornswaggle another team out of an All Star, middle of the lineup hitter without giving them anything tangible in return wouldn’t you call that having your cake and eating it too? Brian Sabean has to be one of the more blatantly arrogant GM’s in baseball for insisting that any team give him one of their best hitters and take pennies on the dollar in return. After all, last season he could’ve had Jose Bautista but refused to give Toronto anything of substance in return and he was in the middle of a 54 HR season! Making a trade with Sabean would be like making a deal with the devil. Don’t do it Sandy!
If Sabean doesn’t want to give up Gary Brown then perhaps he’d like to face Carlos Beltran in the playoffs. Most likely it will be SF vs. Atlanta in the first round. Considering how dominant both rotations and closers are and how starved for offense they both are this really is a trade that could greatly affect the series. Having Beltran vs. facing Beltran. No joke. Even if you pitch around him then you have to pitch to Heyward, Uggla, Freeman, Prado, McCann, Chipper. Tough deal, and you can’t turn Beltran or Chipper around in a tough situation either.
The better bet is use a subsequent years asset to give yourself the Beltran advantage otherwise you really run the risk of having that incredible pitching staff undone by a couple of longballs like you guys did to Philly last year.
Anyway your call. Gary Brown or Zach Wheeler or Atlanta Christian Betancourt/Eddie Salcedo/Mike Minor/Randal Delgado/Julio Teheran.
And remember. He’s not costing you a dime to add but the difference between having him on your team or your opponents team in a 7 game series is massive. 28 AB’s for you or 28 AB’s for them in what promises to be 2-1 and 3-2 games throughout.
’86, DON’T MIX YOUR CONDITIONS SINCE I BEIEVE THE “TOP PROSPECT INCLUSION WAS LIKELY THE CONTINGENCY FOR OUR EATING THE CONTRACT. AS U SAY WHY BOTHER, OTHERWIASE. WHEN A GM INDICATES ACQUIRING TOP PROSPECTS IS HIS FOCUS & CONTRACT RELIEF IS NOT. I, FOR ONE, DO NOT INTERPRET THIS AS IMPLYING A WILLINGNESS TO ACCEPT EATING THE 6-8M REMAINING WHILE ACCEPTING FOR EXAMPLE A MUTT & JEFF INFIELD COMBO, ALONG WITH “IRON MIKE” RELIEVER. ’86, ALDERSON HAS A TRACK RECORD OF ASTUTE DEALINGS & FORGET THE PAST AS HE IS THE VERY FIRST FULLY VETTED EXPERIENCED GM IN FLUSHING SINCE CASHEN RETIRED WITHOUT A TRAINED SUCCESSOR.
’86 WHERE DO U GET THIS CRAPOLA FROM? SOMEONE MUST HAVE SLIPPED SOMETHING NASTY IN YOUE CEREAL BOWL…
HAVE U NEVER BARGAINED BEFORE? NO ONE ADMITS TO WHAT THEY ARE WILLING TO DO ONLY WHAT THEY WON’T DO, IT’S CALLED POSITIONING FOR LEVERAGE. JUST LIKE THE NYY WERE NEVER GOING TO PAY A-ROD BORAS’ EXHOBITANT DEMANDS(lol)
Ok, yeah, whatever. Not sure where the hate is comin’ from. I didn’t say anything that wasn’t known anyway.
What do you think about allowing the team we trade him to to negotiate a contract with him?
there won’t be a window. Likely no time for it, and he wants to be a FA anyway.
JOE, EXACTLY WHAT PART OF SCOTT BORAS IS HIS REP, DO U FAIL TO UNDERSTAND. BORAS NEVER ALLOWS ANY CLIENT TO FOREGO AN OPORTUNITY TO REACH THE OPEN MARKET! THAT IS WHY, I ESPOSWE THE CALCULATION THAT PHL IS THE BEST TRADE DESYINATION FROM A NYM PERSPECTIVE AS IT ALL BUT ELIMINATES THEM FROM REPLACING IBANEZ WITH BELTRAN NEXT SEASON AS IBANEZ HITS THE F/A MKT THIS OFFSEASON & BORAS’ REPUTATION FOR PACKING CLIENTS’ BAGS IS WELL EARNED.
teams that can taste a shot at the WS, and really feel they are a big bat short, will quite possibly “overpay” (for what in a free market, like in the offseason, they wouldn’t) to get that missing piece.
and also keep in mind prospects are like currency. If you don’t use them, they add no value. And you can use them in trade just as easily as on the field.
So, if you say 5 stud SP prospects, you can afford to give one up for beltran, since you have others. Not as likely to happen if you only have 1! same logic if you have a young star at a position blocking a good prospect. Better to get value now on the big club, than to have a guy buried in the minors for a few more years.