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		<title>By: jdon</title>
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		<dc:creator>jdon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jul 2011 16:42:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Annie--anything with a price tag is a product.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Annie&#8211;anything with a price tag is a product.</p>
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		<title>By: Annie Savoy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Annie Savoy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jul 2011 16:37:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hodges14 - Thanks for an excellent explanation.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hodges14 &#8211; Thanks for an excellent explanation.</p>
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		<title>By: Hodges14</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hodges14</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jul 2011 15:19:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I applaud you for this Annie, but this change you speak of is not new at all and mostly the cause of a team owner being elected to become commissioner. Yes I&#039;m talking about Bud Selig. The baseball you and I grew up watching and loving ended when Giamatti died and Vincent was illegally ousted from office. With an actual team owner running things, integrity was out the window and profit and loss statement were all on the table. Ballparks became malls, century old uniforms became annual fashion changes, breaks inbetween innings would go from 90 seconds to 3 minutes to double ad revenues, more post games would be added, more teams will be allowed to go to post season, etc. This is why new fans are so different than older fans, they dont see eye to eye because they grew up watching different versions of the game. Money is 100% of the discourse on all these websites where they all write like they are on the teams board of directors and hold stock in the company. That is the norm now.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I applaud you for this Annie, but this change you speak of is not new at all and mostly the cause of a team owner being elected to become commissioner. Yes I&#8217;m talking about Bud Selig. The baseball you and I grew up watching and loving ended when Giamatti died and Vincent was illegally ousted from office. With an actual team owner running things, integrity was out the window and profit and loss statement were all on the table. Ballparks became malls, century old uniforms became annual fashion changes, breaks inbetween innings would go from 90 seconds to 3 minutes to double ad revenues, more post games would be added, more teams will be allowed to go to post season, etc. This is why new fans are so different than older fans, they dont see eye to eye because they grew up watching different versions of the game. Money is 100% of the discourse on all these websites where they all write like they are on the teams board of directors and hold stock in the company. That is the norm now.</p>
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		<title>By: Annie Savoy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Annie Savoy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jul 2011 14:49:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Donal - Good advice. 

My baseball heros go way back and are mostly pitchers - Seaver, Ryan, Darling, and two first basemen John Olerud and Keith Hernandez. I wish Pedro Martinez had stayed on, but family first and he went home to be with his ailing Dad and never returned.

Bernie Williams gets a mention from me too as he patroled centerfield at Yankee Stadium for years, and did it so well, that hardly anyone noticed until he left.  Now, we have an assortment of candidates for the position and they can&#039;t hold a candle to Bernie. 

These guys played the game and played it well.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Donal &#8211; Good advice. </p>
<p>My baseball heros go way back and are mostly pitchers &#8211; Seaver, Ryan, Darling, and two first basemen John Olerud and Keith Hernandez. I wish Pedro Martinez had stayed on, but family first and he went home to be with his ailing Dad and never returned.</p>
<p>Bernie Williams gets a mention from me too as he patroled centerfield at Yankee Stadium for years, and did it so well, that hardly anyone noticed until he left.  Now, we have an assortment of candidates for the position and they can&#8217;t hold a candle to Bernie. </p>
<p>These guys played the game and played it well.</p>
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		<title>By: Donal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Donal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jul 2011 14:40:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For the record, the Mets made no money &quot;selling&quot; either Rodriguez or Beltran. They ate all of Rodriguez&#039;s salary for the year and most of Beltran&#039;s.

And the sad fact is, professional baseball was always about money. Hell, amateur baseball has been about oney and ego for a while now.

From Lannin and Frazee to Comiskey to O&#039;Malley to Charlie O to Turner to Steinbrenner to now, the teams are a business. The main differences now are there is so much more money coming in, there are more people getting a cut and its more out in the open.

The trick to enjoying the game as its being played is to shut out most of the world and just enjoy the game. And don&#039;t get attached to anyone.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For the record, the Mets made no money &#8220;selling&#8221; either Rodriguez or Beltran. They ate all of Rodriguez&#8217;s salary for the year and most of Beltran&#8217;s.</p>
<p>And the sad fact is, professional baseball was always about money. Hell, amateur baseball has been about oney and ego for a while now.</p>
<p>From Lannin and Frazee to Comiskey to O&#8217;Malley to Charlie O to Turner to Steinbrenner to now, the teams are a business. The main differences now are there is so much more money coming in, there are more people getting a cut and its more out in the open.</p>
<p>The trick to enjoying the game as its being played is to shut out most of the world and just enjoy the game. And don&#8217;t get attached to anyone.</p>
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		<title>By: Bayonne Mets Fan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bayonne Mets Fan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jul 2011 13:19:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s not the same anymore Annie,

Back in the day all we would be talking about is the Mets fighting for a Wild Card and staying in the race.  My God it&#039;s still July, the Mets are 6.5 games back and I&#039;ve seen enough of them over this season that I don&#039;t particularly think any of the other teams in the NL outside the Phillies are that great at all.  None of these teams don&#039;t stand out and I don&#039;t think any of them are anything to be afraid of.  And it&#039;s July still.

But don&#039;t bring any of that up when you try to talk about baseball here because you get scoffed at and mocked up by other people here who get off more on talking about how much money the team saves (Like we cared about that in the past - it&#039;s was their business not the fans) and they also get off on whoop-de-doing about alleged prospects that may or may not be able to help this team 3 or 4 years down the road.

We have a GM tearing a team apart in order to save a few bucks.  Never used to be like that i don&#039;t care what kind of situation he inherited.  But hey, like a team that takes on the personality of it&#039;s manager (and the Mets are the perfect example of that) we have a newer legion of fans and some lost older ones who blindly follow a guy who seems more interested in turning this New York team into the Oakland A&#039;s and he&#039;s said as such too.  

Well so far this team is winning IN SPITE of the GM and not because of him.  And why? So he can save a couple dollars in hopes of getting a few kids who MAY or MAY NOT be able to become something in a few years? And then what happens? When and if they become stars they leave for big money like anyone else would do. And then what happens? Another White Flag will be waved just like now.

Good thing the players dictate the pace right now and not the GM.  Like I said at the beginning of the season we have a front office who thinks they&#039;re smarter than the game and the game is coming right back and biting them on the butt so far.

This is a Wild Card race and that&#039;s what we should be talking about.  As a matter of fact there&#039;s still time to ADD to this team not subtract cuz God knows White Flag Sandy has tried to subtract enough.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not the same anymore Annie,</p>
<p>Back in the day all we would be talking about is the Mets fighting for a Wild Card and staying in the race.  My God it&#8217;s still July, the Mets are 6.5 games back and I&#8217;ve seen enough of them over this season that I don&#8217;t particularly think any of the other teams in the NL outside the Phillies are that great at all.  None of these teams don&#8217;t stand out and I don&#8217;t think any of them are anything to be afraid of.  And it&#8217;s July still.</p>
<p>But don&#8217;t bring any of that up when you try to talk about baseball here because you get scoffed at and mocked up by other people here who get off more on talking about how much money the team saves (Like we cared about that in the past &#8211; it&#8217;s was their business not the fans) and they also get off on whoop-de-doing about alleged prospects that may or may not be able to help this team 3 or 4 years down the road.</p>
<p>We have a GM tearing a team apart in order to save a few bucks.  Never used to be like that i don&#8217;t care what kind of situation he inherited.  But hey, like a team that takes on the personality of it&#8217;s manager (and the Mets are the perfect example of that) we have a newer legion of fans and some lost older ones who blindly follow a guy who seems more interested in turning this New York team into the Oakland A&#8217;s and he&#8217;s said as such too.  </p>
<p>Well so far this team is winning IN SPITE of the GM and not because of him.  And why? So he can save a couple dollars in hopes of getting a few kids who MAY or MAY NOT be able to become something in a few years? And then what happens? When and if they become stars they leave for big money like anyone else would do. And then what happens? Another White Flag will be waved just like now.</p>
<p>Good thing the players dictate the pace right now and not the GM.  Like I said at the beginning of the season we have a front office who thinks they&#8217;re smarter than the game and the game is coming right back and biting them on the butt so far.</p>
<p>This is a Wild Card race and that&#8217;s what we should be talking about.  As a matter of fact there&#8217;s still time to ADD to this team not subtract cuz God knows White Flag Sandy has tried to subtract enough.</p>
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		<title>By: Metstheory22</title>
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		<dc:creator>Metstheory22</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jul 2011 13:13:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Maybe if this was the 70&#039;s, both Rodriguez and Beltran would have stayed with the team the whole year.  Salaries were not what they are today and would not have been a factor in these trades.  If Rodriguez did not have the 17M option and Beltran contract still had draft picks maybe Alderson would had worked with that to keep them both.  There was no way to vest that option on K-Rod and also have Beltran walk away with nothing to show for it.  Why would Omar have okayed that stipulation from Boras and why would Boras put that in a contract?  Either way Beltran gets the money he is worth.  Hopefully the players we get back help the Mets down the line.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe if this was the 70&#8242;s, both Rodriguez and Beltran would have stayed with the team the whole year.  Salaries were not what they are today and would not have been a factor in these trades.  If Rodriguez did not have the 17M option and Beltran contract still had draft picks maybe Alderson would had worked with that to keep them both.  There was no way to vest that option on K-Rod and also have Beltran walk away with nothing to show for it.  Why would Omar have okayed that stipulation from Boras and why would Boras put that in a contract?  Either way Beltran gets the money he is worth.  Hopefully the players we get back help the Mets down the line.</p>
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		<title>By: MetFan Lou</title>
		<link>http://metsmerizedonline.com/2011/07/are-athletes-simply-a-product.html#comment-169357</link>
		<dc:creator>MetFan Lou</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jul 2011 12:58:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t buy this for a minute. Look if you&#039;re standing in a batters box after a 95mph brush back pitch and you know another one is coming-that is desire, guts and a love of the game. Forget the money. When most careers are 5-10 years for prime time you have to make the money. I love the new stadiums. I go to Turner Field and it is a monument to the Braves. I love the food and all the gizmos and gee whiz stuff and the fans are as passionate as ever. Baseball competes with all the other pro sports for fans and some multi tool players so you have to be competitive. I hate the all star homerun derby as gimmicktry. As a sidenote, nothing to do with this article but happy to see Bert Blyleven in the HOF. He pitched 60 yes I said 60 shutouts in his career over 287 wins. Phenominal! PS: If you go to any teams website you can still get tickets for 5-10 dollars and there are lots of them too. The braves have a package for 50 bucks for 4 tickets, hot dog and a coke. You can&#039;t go see a grade &quot;B&quot; movie for that. I love baseball and I have adjusted to the &quot;modern&quot; game. My advice if you feel this way is give it a try. I love wearing my METS hat!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t buy this for a minute. Look if you&#8217;re standing in a batters box after a 95mph brush back pitch and you know another one is coming-that is desire, guts and a love of the game. Forget the money. When most careers are 5-10 years for prime time you have to make the money. I love the new stadiums. I go to Turner Field and it is a monument to the Braves. I love the food and all the gizmos and gee whiz stuff and the fans are as passionate as ever. Baseball competes with all the other pro sports for fans and some multi tool players so you have to be competitive. I hate the all star homerun derby as gimmicktry. As a sidenote, nothing to do with this article but happy to see Bert Blyleven in the HOF. He pitched 60 yes I said 60 shutouts in his career over 287 wins. Phenominal! PS: If you go to any teams website you can still get tickets for 5-10 dollars and there are lots of them too. The braves have a package for 50 bucks for 4 tickets, hot dog and a coke. You can&#8217;t go see a grade &#8220;B&#8221; movie for that. I love baseball and I have adjusted to the &#8220;modern&#8221; game. My advice if you feel this way is give it a try. I love wearing my METS hat!</p>
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