Comments on: Alderson Could Make Substantial Offer To Reyes

By: theonlymaskman

theonlymaskman — Wed, 06 Jul 2011 13:38:11 +0000

I’m glad the GM is apparently starting to figure that out. Why wasn’t he on board from the start? He apparently came to the Mets with a knife sharpened for Reyes. Glad to see he is FINALLY recognizing talent once the fans were marching through Citi with signs to keep Reyes. He is responding to fan demands and nothing more.

By: Donal

Donal — Tue, 05 Jul 2011 15:51:59 +0000

He was full of criticism? Like when he said that Reyes was “a joy to watch”? Or when he said he hoped Reyes could be part of the Mets’ future for a long time?

Oh, you are still stuck on “stolen bases are a footnote”. Guess what: they are. They bring minimal production boost even when you are highly successful at it. Since 2005, the Mets have been first in steals in the NL except for 2008, when they finished second. How many playoff runs did they get out of that? Stealing, when done at at least an 80% success rate, is a luxury at best.

Reyes’ game is so much deeper than stolen bases and Alderson understands that. He’s maturing as a hitter (he’s working counts more than ever) and seems to have finally forsaken that uppercut swing and embraced what he is :a line drive gap hitter with super human speed.

By: Metsie

Metsie — Tue, 05 Jul 2011 15:02:25 +0000

Well OMM, Too much ASSUMPTION going on here regarding Sandy and his Philosophy.

Sandy may have invented moneyball but it wasn’t his choice to do it.
Ownership kind of forced it on him.

Before that he didn’t shy away from spending money.

He didn’t use Moneyball in any of his other stops.

Too much is made of Sandy’s Saber use and Moneyball involvement.

He is a pragmatic manager not an ideologue as some here are!
He manages to fit the situation.

And you can’t really blame him for wanting to see what Reyes does himself before making a determination on making him the highest paid SS in baseball.

You wouldn’t buy a multi millon dollar mansion based on a picture you saw in the catalog would you? You would go and see it first hand before you put down that kind of money.

The ones around here who want us to use Moneyball are trying to use Sandy as justification of their concepts not his.

He’s not a genius but he also is not a dolt.
The only thing you can take from his involvement in the Moneyball principle is that when pressed really hard he can adapt to any situation put in front of him and find a way to deal with it.

He has a tough nut to crack here but I do feel he is capable of handling that.

He won’t use moneyball unless he has to.

And even if he did, Moneyball with Jose Reyes, David Wright, Ike Davis, Daniel Murphy under contract would not kill our franchise!

I am fine if he plays moneyball with the minor fill ins and signings provided he is still willing to pay for that Big Bat and Big SP Arm when it is needed.

Too many extremists in this world right now…

Moneyball, Buy Talent…

What is needed is moderation right now.

Not moneyball, Not wild Spending…

Just good situational awareness and action.

If everyone knew reyes was going to have the year he has then his trading would never have been discussed in the first place!

By: theonlymaskman

theonlymaskman — Tue, 05 Jul 2011 14:05:24 +0000

I know, so what! I was personally never a proponent of trading Jose’ as many here were. The thing that stands out is that Mr Moneyball maty be changing his tune. Let’s see him deliver on that before buying into it.

By: theonlymaskman

theonlymaskman — Tue, 05 Jul 2011 14:02:40 +0000

I’m willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, but I’ll buy into it when he gets the new contract with Jose’ signed. Until that time, he’ll have to prove it to me. Realize this might all be a psycho game to get fans to cough up attendance dollars. Let’s see the Wilpons put their signature on the contract. That will change the nature of the game by sealing the deal. When that happens, i’ll give these people some credence. Talk is cheap, let’s see action.

By: theonlymaskman

theonlymaskman — Tue, 05 Jul 2011 13:58:18 +0000

That’s rather obvious to even the causal observer. My point was that it was enlightening that Alderson was possibly seeing values that extend beyond his Moneyball parameters. Earlier this year he was full of criticism regarding the value of Jose’s talents. Now perhaps true value is creeping into his feeble mind.

By: t agee

t agee — Tue, 05 Jul 2011 12:54:23 +0000

Reyes biggest injury (torn hamstring tendon) occurred while he was rehabbing a calf strain. I’m not saying it could have been prevented but I am wondering just like I wonder if Beltran’s knee would have gotten better if he was taken out of the lineup for a couple of weeks at the first sign of the injury.

It really doesn’t seem like these athletes are receiving the best care possible.

By: t agee

t agee — Tue, 05 Jul 2011 12:45:43 +0000

Metsie, just let them say it then. Who cares. You have to build your team with the correct thought process in mind, if your making decisions based on solid, rational reasons and something goes wrong, it goes wrong. Nothing you can do about it. Most decisions around here for the last decade or so have always been grounded in hope, not realism and when so many things are dependent on hope you have no chance of having them all go your way.

You cannot control the way things eventually work out, all you can do is use the best most practical and logical judgement in all your decisions and if you do that most of them will work out the way you want. Clearly a 28 year old SS who has already played great in this lineup, park and City is WAY different than many of the signings we have made in our recent past.

By: Midwestern Met

Midwestern Met — Tue, 05 Jul 2011 06:02:06 +0000

This is good news; there aren’t too many players in this league as electrifying as Jose.

http://midwesternmet.blogspot.com/2011/07/game-85-mets-5-dodgers-2.html

By: DaveUpstateNY

DaveUpstateNY — Tue, 05 Jul 2011 04:09:34 +0000

“one reader (Met Maniac) called Jose Reyes’ 2011 season as the offensive equivalent to Dwight Gooden’s 1985 season when he went 24-4 and won the Cy Young award. If he keeps it up, Reyes will certainly have himself the best offensive season in franchise history.”

Let’s not compare half a season to the best season any Mets player ever had. It’s rare enough to see a pitcher these days have an ERA under 3.00; Gooden’s was a mere 1.53. Insane. If Reyes keeps up the numbers for the whole season, we’ll all be happy.

By: russell Zanca

russell Zanca — Mon, 04 Jul 2011 18:10:36 +0000

I am still skeptical about Murph, too, but, Man, you should entertain the idea that he is a work in progress.

Don’t you think he’s made some huge improvements as an infielder? I think he has made biggest improvements at first where he has turned in some real gems. Not suggesting he replace Davis, but if Wright and Reyes continue as Mets, we have a huge conundrum among Turner, Tejada, and Murph.

By: MetsMan86

MetsMan86 — Mon, 04 Jul 2011 17:44:41 +0000

I’m sorry man, but I hate the ciritisim that Sandy hasn’t signed anybody to a big contract in his past, so that dictates that he probably won’t sign anybody here. His moves in OAK and SD were based on what the cheapskate ownership alloted him. And what was Alderson supposed to say before, that he would commit to re-signing a player before he got to see what he’s dealing with? Every GM if they had the chance would try and sign Reyes, seeing what he’s doing right now. Reyes has shown what he’s worth, and it’s on the Wilpons to fork over the money and Alderson to get the deal as possible for the franchise.

By: russell Zanca

russell Zanca — Mon, 04 Jul 2011 17:28:29 +0000

Hey, I’ll make a contribution from my salary to keep Reyes here. This way I’ll spend less on booze because we probably won’t lose so much. It’s a win-win.

Shall we take up a collection?

By: gary s.

gary s. — Mon, 04 Jul 2011 17:27:51 +0000

My point was that 5 years for 100 mill plus incentives makes him the highest paid ss in mlb.How can u blame the mets g.m. for trying to make him the highest paid ss in mlb?Plus in the past the met front office has been more worried about making the fan base happy than building a winner with disastrous results (jason bay).When we signed Pedro Martinez, everyone knew he would break down in a couple of years.If we sign reyes to a 7 year deal, the same thing will happen.My bottom line remains the above 5 year deal plus incentives.If that is not enough, good luck to you, Jose.

By: Bayonne Mets Fan

Bayonne Mets Fan — Mon, 04 Jul 2011 17:26:21 +0000

ehh i don’t think he’s a work in progress like the other guys we talk about. It’s just my take on him but I don’t think his fielding will progress to much more than what it is and he’s also not the brightest bulb on the basepaths either.

I think Murphy can have really good offensive seasons but more like an Oscar Gamble type part time player with less power of course, maybe hit .300 or so but as a 200-400 AB sub, fill in , role player.

By: sarge

sarge — Mon, 04 Jul 2011 16:59:34 +0000

Off topic a bit but David Wright is still among the best 3b, look at who is starting in AS game this year, Polanco, and tell me that he is better than David?
I know the fact that Phillies fill their stadium adds to the votes he gets but wow, what a bad year for 3b when Polanco is the best at a power position?

Jose’s future will be decided after season and if as he says he wants to be a Met for life then I hope the and his agent will look for top dollar while allowing Mets some versatility in dollars so team can be made better to compete in a tough division.

We can speculate all we want but until the season is over, how Met’s finish will also have an impact on how much Jose gets.

I for one want Mets to keep David and see him and Jose be the left side of infield for the next 5-6 years at least.

By: Bayonne Mets Fan

Bayonne Mets Fan — Mon, 04 Jul 2011 16:57:06 +0000

i’m sorry but i’m still not sold on Murphy as an everyday player. I still think he’s more of the super sub variety in that he can pinch hit, fill in, and play enough on a team to get 300 ABs or so.

There’s no denying he can hit in the clutch and I trust him in big spots and I definitely see him playing in a winning team I just don’t want to see him on the field. I don’t see his fielding changing that much and he always hurts us in important spots on the field. He fields just decent enough to be a utility guy.

Super sub or trade bait is what I see Murphy as, not a starter.

By: nathan

nathan — Mon, 04 Jul 2011 16:56:13 +0000

I would hate to be Sandy. This is a tough deal. You can not replace Jose’s performance but if it takes a 7 year deal than you are stuck with a bad contract at the end. He could hold up but that is the exception rather than the rule. The comment that Wright will hold up better than Reyes is in my opinion hogwash. Wright is a good player and I like him being on the Mets but he has alot of hitches in his approach and they have gotten progressivly worst as the years have clicked by. Jose may be having a career year but I do not attribute this to nothing but health and timing. Jose will be a great player for at least the next 4 or 5 years because of that I say sign him but if he wants more than 7 140 then let him go. It will be hard to do but it’s what’s right.

By: Metsie

Metsie — Mon, 04 Jul 2011 16:47:01 +0000

Big difference between AMONG the best and the actual hands down BEST…

Yes David is an All Star. And a damn fine baseball player. But once a back starts having issues they never ever really go away!

That makes him a much higher risk to being a High Money Contract that is a waste to injury even more than Reyes is yet your not getting the BEST 3B in the game just someone AMONG the best in the game.

Now Wright could come back and show he is the best 3B in the league between now and the time we have to decide to resign him.

But David has never had a season where he seperated himself from the other 3B’s in the league the way Reyes has.

I am not saying we should NOT resign him when his conttract is up but it is not imperative to sign him based on what he has done so far.

Especially considering that Murphy is there to take his place and will need a position to play once Ike gets back without platooning him with lets say Turner or Tejada (Neither of which is a good replacement for Reyes)

We have options with David and he won’t get a contract that makes him the highest paid player in the game unless he actually gets his Prince Fielder impression down and starts hitting those HRs.

But that said I personally think the right move is to keep both Wright and reyes to build around. Hope Niese and Gee are also proved to be CORE build around talents and with the emergence (we Hope) of Harvey Holt and Mejia, We take the path the Phillies have taken and start from here with what we have (as opposed to firesale)

Phillies kept Rollins and Utley and then filled around them to complete their core before they bought pitching to seal the deal. Better than the Yanks plan who now have a core that is all getting old at the same time and as a result the new core is not quite as good anymore.

If we resign Wright and Reyes, Keep Davis, Murphy, Pagan, and Niese,
If thats not enough CORE to build around then what the hell is?

By: Bayonne Mets Fan

Bayonne Mets Fan — Mon, 04 Jul 2011 16:43:53 +0000

Bad wheels? Where did that come from?

Put yourself in Jose’s shoes. You’re going to want to think of you and your family’s own future down the road too so you’re going to have to bend a lot more than that cuz 5 years at 20 is not going to cut it.

And if you expect to get him with that deal that’s wishful thinking. Mets would be extremely lucky if Jose agreed to a deal like that. Would you if you were him? I know I wouldn’t.