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2011
With TC & Others: Sandy Was Right.
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Part of being a Mets fan in 2011 seems to be that you are segmented off into two groups. One group, wants the future to be bright while hoping to remain competitive. The other group seems to want to focus on 2011, and only 2011.
To me, the second group is what got us in trouble to begin with. In my view, there is a lot to be excited about right now but I’m cautiously optimistic.
Some may choose to call it negative, I choose to call it realistic. In 2007, 2008 and again in 2010 we were all fooled by the NY Mets. In 2007 and 2008, we were fooled to think this team had what it took to overcome a drastic tailspin and regain composure to propel into the playoffs.
In 2010, this team was actually in the lead for the wildcard on June 30, 2010. Lets not lose sight of what I just said. On June 30th, the Mets beat the Marlins in Puerto Rico to maintain a 1 game lead on the Dodgers for the Wildcard.
They were 44-34, and with all due respect to players like Jesus Feliciano, Alex Cora, Rod Barajas, and Jeff Francoeur… this year’s team is better than the guys who were on the field in June of 2010.
So I’m not ready to buy in fully. It doesn’t mean that I don’t watch every game. It doesn’t mean that I hope they lose, or root against them so I can see players like Beltran traded. It means I refuse to be fooled again by this team. I take each game day by day, and try to remain focused on the idea that at some point this team needs an overhaul of the farm system.
I enjoy watching Jose Reyes have an incredible season, one likely none of us have ever seen before. I remain committed to the idea that if the Mets are struggling to maintain a +.500 record after the Phillies series that follows the All-Star Game, that the Mets need to listen to offers on Reyes, Beltran and K-Rod.
I do not think they will get enough value for Reyes, so I expect in a worst case scenario where the 2011 Mets are under .500, that they would still keep Reyes, offer him a fair contract and if he walks, he walks.
But I can wait and see.
With all of that said, I realize there are people that wish to think that Sandy Alderson had or has nothing to do with this team’s success. I also realize those are the people that decided they disliked Alderson from day #1 because his name appears in 1 line of “Moneyball.”
From the start, Alderson had a plan and it started with Terry Collins. How many of you were begging, no in fact groveling for Wally Backman to be named Manager and then when they named Collins, you chose to reference the Astros & Angels failures to support your lack of support?
In a post on this site here are some quotes prior to Collins being hired: “Let me put it to you this way, if Collins does become the manager of the Mets, consider him the iceberg and the Mets the Titanic.”
“Nobody wants Backman? Maybe some people on this site don’t want him, but I do, there’s a movement on Twitter for him and in my opinion I bet if you took a poll of most regular fans who don’t blog or read blogs I’d be surprised if he wasn’t the favorite.”
“Collins seems to have had lost his clubhouse in Anaheim, but Bobby V lost his clubhouse, too, and he was probably the fan’s first choice.”
“Wow, this guy Terry Collins is kinda scary. What has he done to deserve such high praise from our front office? He seems like the worst out of all the candidates.”
“Terry Collins is another in a long list of mediocre choices for the Mets to interview for Manager. I have no problem with interviewing people on that list. What disturbs me is that Sandy Alderson has bought into the Wilpon’s DNA here… and that is, mediocrity is less expensive”
For the sake of full disclosure, in early November I supported Clint Hurdle as Mets Manager but was not down on Collins’ candidacy at all.
If somebody else was the GM (including Minaya) of this team, I frankly have 0 doubt that Wally Backman would have been hired to please the fan base. An attempt to fool the fans into thinking this team would be worth buying a ticket for, just because of their Manager.
No, instead Alderson hired the man that he felt was BEST for the JOB. Not best for a casual fan to come see dressed in a Mets uniform to relive their championship glory days.
When Collins was hired, our own Xtreemlcon posted a blog about how receptive to the hiring our younger players were.
Some interesting quotes exist in this post, including:
“You definitely know what he wants. Just by talking to him, you know he’s going to expect the best out of everyone, and expect everyone to do everything to give him the best. But, at the same time, he does it in a very respectful manner. And he doesn’t pull the wool over anybody’s eyes. He’s very straightforward with what he thinks. He’ll tell you what he thinks. You’ve got to respect that and like that as a player.” – Dillon Gee
Even within that post, several Mets fans were skeptical of Collins based on the fact that Alderson made the hire. Now, we look at the 2011 Mets and see players such as Gee, Turner, Thole, Pridie, Duda, Tejada making some sort of impact, all players that Collins worked with during his time with the Mets previous to his new role.
The critics of Alderson and his staff can try in every way possible to make it seem like 2011’s “success” has nothing to do with him. They’d be wrong.
Hiring Collins to be the Manager when he could have hired Wally Backman to please the majority of the fans, or hiring Bob Melvin who always seemed to be pegged as the Manager To Be after Jerry would have been the easy way out for Alderson.
Also, you can say what you’d like about the off-season acquisitions, not every move can work out, and you can’t sign every player. Did Chris Young get injured? Yes. Did a Rule 5 pick not work with Emaus? Yes. It happens, but the mere fact the Mets needed to try and find a starting 2B through the Rule 5 draft says a lot.
If Alderson signs 1 player for twice as much money for say Capuano, then likely he has less money to work to fill another hole.
You can choose to ignore the fact that the Mets had limited funds to work with but managed to bring in Beato, Byrdak, Capuano, Paulino, Turner, Hairston, Harris, Pridie, Buchholz, and Isringhausen to the mix.
That’s 10 Major Leaguers who are on this team all in some way making a positive impact on the team. How many GM’s NEEDED to fill in 10 big league roles with limited funds to work with? Heck, how many needed to fill 10 big league roles period?
Before anybody tries to say Turner was Omar’s guy. Omar had every chance in the world to call Turner up in September and chose not to. Despite what he said on Mike Francesa’s show, Turner played in the final AAA game of the year last September and hit for the cycle! He was not injured.
With regard to Pridie, he also showed no confidence in Pridie. Seeing as Jesus Feliciano was chances on the big league roster and Pridie was given none.
Instead of doing it the way we’re used to which is buying 1 free agent and pretending everything is alright, he hired the Manager he believed could do the best job possible and didn’t do the easy thing which was to hire Wally Backman when he would have been blindly praised for it.
He brought in 10 major leaguers to fill a 25 man roster, he has proven committed to the draft through his front office hirings and firings and has always considered the franchise first before making any decisions.
Frankly, nobody can or should be arguing that point today on June 30, 2011, and I still do not understand why his critics act as though the Mets in 2011 are not in better hands than they were prior to his hiring.
About the Author: Michael J. Branda
I work for a non-profit organization, working closely with all of our fundraisers in hope of one day finding a cure. My time with MMO began in July of 2009 when I wrote a Fan Post defending Omar Minaya (before it was cool to do that.) I grew up a Mets fan with the mid 1980's teams. My favorite Met of all-time is (and was) Wally Backman. When it comes to sabermetrics versus old school thinking, I like to think I meet in the middle. I believe thinking of new ways to get answers is helpful, especially when the same way has not produced results. However, I think over-thinking certain situations can get you into trouble. I'm excited for the new regime, because I believe they have pieces in place to focus on several aspects of the Mets organization. I've waited this long for a World Series, waiting a few more years for another chance isn't going to kill me.
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| Team | W | L | Pct. | GB |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Braves | 26 | 17 | .605 | - |
| Nationals | 25 | 17 | .595 | 0.5 |
| Marlins | 23 | 19 | .548 | 2.5 |
| Mets | 22 | 20 | .524 | 3.5 |
| Phillies | 21 | 22 | .488 | 5.0 |
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Except for the Wontpons and their financial nightmare, I am finally happy with the direction the Front Office has taken. For the past two years I have been criticizing Omar and the way the organization was run. I thought Jerry was a buffoon and Omar a well-meaning talent scout who had proved the validity of the Peter principle. I liked Collins when they hired him because I thought he would take people to task and he has. I understand that they will not have the money for Reyes and I can live with that. There is no point in whining about it. Just because there is money coming off the books does not mean they can meet his price. There are other holes to fill as well. I think it is very interesting to see Collins use KRod the way he has with his option looming, and to hear Collins talk about how wonderful Reyes is, with free agency staring the team in the face. It just proves that he is not a puppet for the front office, and I like the fact that they are secure with that. I am finally willing to trust the front office for this team. When was the last time anyone could say that. The Cashen days? That is a sad testament.
“Part of being a Mets fan in 2011 seems to be that you are segmented off into two groups. One group, wants the future to be bright while hoping to remain competitive. The other group seems to want to focus on 2011, and only 2011.”
well, I’m not in any of those groups – I believe the Mets ARE competitve(not hoping) and I believe the future IS bright, with Ike Davis, David Wright, Jose Reyes, in the infield, and Jon Niese and Dillon Gee in the rotation. With an infield like that, everyone under 30, and all of them good hitters, yes the Mets will have a bright future – we just gotta keep Reyes.
‘With all of that said, I realize there are people that wish to think that Sandy Alderson had or has nothing to do with this team’s success. I also realize those are the people that decided they disliked Alderson from day #1 because his name appears in 1 line of “Moneyball.”’
I wouldn’t say he had NOTHING to do with the team’s success – Paulino was a good move. Bucholz and Isringhausen were good too – So a few of them worked out, and some of them didn’t – Just like I expected. And hiring Collins was probably his best move. But he also made a terrible move having ONLY one lefty hander in the bullpen. and there was PLENTY of lefties availble, but he only signs one, and in this division? ugh
…..oh and your just assuming that Omar wouldn’t have hired Collins – You don’t know what would have happen if Omar was GM – And as for moneyball, I didn’t even know Alderson was in it, I never read it, and don’t care to either. And before you say(cause I know it’s comin)”how can you attack a book you never read?” well, I’m not attacking it, I just couldn’t care less about it.
“Before anybody tries to say Turner was Omar’s guy. Omar had every chance in the world to call Turner up in September and chose not to. Despite what he said on Mike Francesa’s show, Turner played in the final AAA game of the year last September and hit for the cycle! He was not injured.”
Come on Jessep. Omar got Tuner. If Omar never gets Turner, Sandy wouldn’t have been able to call him up – End of story. and besides, Alderson had a chance to give Turner a spot on the team in ST, but instead he went with Emaus.
“With regard to Pridie, he also showed no confidence in Pridie. Seeing as Jesus Feliciano was chances on the big league roster and Pridie was given none.”
And again, if Omar never gets Pridie, Sandy can’t call him up. and wasn’t Pridie called up because Collins wanted the best fielding CF we had? If Collins dosen’t say that, maybe Alderson doesn’t call him up either?
Yeah we get it. Everyone was Omar’s guy. Turner passed through NL waivers and no one bit. Then he the Orioles picked him up, then dumped him and he passed unclaimed through the entire AL and then, at Wayne Krivksky’s reguest, we picked him up. One of countless waiver wire acquisitions made throughout a baseball season.
No question Turner was considered nothing but an AAA organizational infielder that represented a potential increase in the talent level of the Bisons. Nothing more or he would have gotten a September callup at the very least. I knew when we acquired him and thought it was a no brainer to pick up the guy but figured there was something wrong with him. I suspected it was his defense, couldn’t hit a curveball or swung at everything under the sun but that turned out not to be the case at all.
He’s 26, had 5 minor league seasons under his belt and would undoubtably have played a lot better at 2B then a too old Castillo or a too young Tejada and most of all would have allowed Tejada to develop his game in AAA. Let’s face it, a .188 BA vs. RHP clearly showed Tejada’s bat was not ready and that did cost us games last year and it didn’t do him any good to be in a lineup of so many guys who swung at everything.
Turner wasn’t brought up in September to give Tejada and Arias chances and he wasn’t brought before September because that would have meant cutting Castillo, something Omar wouldn’t do.
A large part of this off season was devoted to discussing what Omar’s guys will do vs. Alderson’s guys despite the fact that Omar was here for 6 years and Alderson 6 months. As if that’s a level playing field. Was anyone claiming in 1999 that Olerud, Reed, Ordonez, Agbayani, Payton, Jones and Alfonzo were brought in by someone else?
Omar has LOTS of guys he not only drafted or signed as IFA’s and will for another ten years or more. Some look great like Davis, Niese, Harvey, Familla, Tejada, Puello, Gorski, Flores, Tapia, Urbina, Morris, Den Dekker, Vaughn. Others look possible, others not so much, some have bombed out already. Pelfrey, Thole, Gee, Murphy, Niese and Duda were drafted and developed by Omar. Pedro, Wagner, Alou, Castillo, Bay and Perez were Omar’s guys too. So were Sosa, Mota, Schowenweiss, Redding, Livan, Putz, Ayala, Church and Schneider.
Sandy hasn’t had a chance to get any of his guys yet until the June amateur draft and hopefully will nab a half dozen of the best international free agents starting Saturday. Then he’ll have a chance to start getting “his” guys.
My point is, how can you give Sandy Alderson any credit for Justin Turner, when Turner was already here before he was hired? How does that make any sense?
“A large part of this off season was devoted to discussing what Omar’s guys will do vs. Alderson’s guys despite the fact that Omar was here for 6 years and Alderson 6 months. As if that’s a level playing field.”
and that’s not true. I’m not doing that, you just THINK I’m doing that. All I said was Alderson could have done a better job this offseason- I felt there was other guys available that fit the team better than the guys he signed – And if those players were signed, it would have INCREASED our chances at making the playoffs. That’s all I said. Your trying to make it out to be something more than what it is. It was just like how I criticized Omar a few seasons ago, and now I defend him all the time.
It would be pretty funny if a few years from now, I’m defending Alderson because your complaning that he didn’t draft superstars at every position – I could actually see that happening.
The real story here is that some people just aren’t willing to see the Mets adopt a more successful strategy like Atlanta, NYY or Boston have a long time ago. They want to piece together a team every year from the limited number of questionable health risks, rejects and expensive and soon to be in decline free agents.
They want to continue to play monkeyball every year with the roster and now are mad as hornets that some of the NYM operating revenue is being diverted away from the Major League team and put into areas where it will do the most good for the most time.
A fundamental shift in philosophy from rewarding people for playing well for other teams to drafting signing and developing the highest possible talent within our own system so we will no longer be stuck with dinosaures or rejects as our only options.
This is very scary for some people but what is really scary are the results that monkeyball has realized during the last more than two decades.
Do you realize that we have won exactly one World Series game in
twenty five years. One game. WITH the largest payroll in the entire National League.
Monkeyball has produced more World Series games won for us in 25 years than only Wash/Mont, Pitts, Mil, Cubs, Houston, San Diego, Colorado, Baltimore, KC, and Seattle. Ten teams we have won more World Series games than in 25 years. Exactly 1 more game than to be exact. With the largest payroll in the League and people are getting upset that we’re changing away from a piece it together every year approach to a try to compete for a decade at a time approach? Very short sighted to say the least.
This team should easily have the same number of World Series games won as other teams like Atlanta (11), Boston (8), Toronto (8), Florida (8) Minn (8), Philly (8), SF (7), St. Louis (7), Oak (5), Cleveland (5) ChiSox (4), Cinn (4), LA (4), LAA (4), AZ (4).
Face it. Monkeyball has run it’s course. It had two decades to produce and failed. One World Series game won, WITH the largest payroll in the entire league.
It’s high time we start putting big money into the future instead of the present or our future will be no different than the last quarter of a decade.
Please define “monkeyball” for me.
I don’t like spending a lot of money on free agents either, that’s why all the guys I said Alderson should have signed were either on 1 or 2 year contracts, and all of them were signed for under 10 million.
Is that “monkeyball”?
Oh and I’m not “scared” of anything. All I said was that I thought there was other players available that were better fits for the team than the ones Alderson signed – I’ll even give you a quick example – D.J Carrasco signed for the same EXACT contract as Randy Choate – Randy Choate fit the team better because he would have replaced Pedro Felciano, and given us another lefty in the bullpen – So, is saying to have more than one lefty in the bullpen, and in this division, called “monkeyball” too?
Here’s what I don’t get either, you name the Redsox and the Yankees as teams that have a succesful “successful strategy” when they have the #1 and #3 highest payrolls in the major leagues. Isn’t your point NOT to go out and sign big free agents? Don’t you say that’s our downfall? But that’s what the teams YOU say have a succesful strategy do. Like Carl Crawford, John Lackey, ect. and Sabathia, Teixeria, ect.
Just to get things out of the way, want to say you are setting yourself up for abuse with the title of the post LOL (but I know you can take it!). Anyway, I’m with you in this level of thinking, I didn’t go into great detail but I spoke of something similar on Kiner’s Korner today, about how there are people basically want to throw a ticker tape parade for hitting .500! Yet when history has dictated, we should be cautiously optimistic about things. I hate to say “it’s early” because realistically it’s not — but given the Mets style of play lately, it’s fun to watch for sure, but let’s not count our chickens. As you mentioned, it’s doing that what got us into this fine mess to begin with. I’ll be happy to be competitive in September.
Well Jess, I don’t really have an issue with what you said but I will point out that you started off the article saying you won’t be fooled again, note our position this year compared to last year as proof and then go onto glowing praise of Sandy for pretty much being in a lesser position than last year despite the fact that we have Beltran in full health and actually priming and Reyes playing much better than anyone.
I don’t see how you can say you won’t be fooled about this season and then go and fool yourself into thinking Sandy had much to do with it other than maybe hiring Terry.
Yes Terry deserves a ton of credit but not in regards to Reyes and Beltran. They have other motivations other than Terry that is driving their numbers.
Terry is pretty much for all intentes and purposes, Backman with experience. There is no reason to believe Backman wouldn’t have the same affect. I was one who said NO to Backman because of the experience factor and he may be a future consideration now that he is getting it.
But only if we are being fooled by the play we are seeing now and it all turns to crap.
And that could happen as soon as Reyes or Beltran is sent away!
I applaud Terry but I also applaud all those kids everyone thought were worthless when the season started. All the Kids who have made the key hits when Beltran and Reyes had already had their AB.
Is it too soon to buy into what we see as the NORM for our beloved Mets?
Probably but it is definitly too soon to start saying that Sandy had much of anything to do with that success.
I understand the thought fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me…
Well I will remind you that many of the same things were said about Omar when he got here and had that 3 year run of competitivness.
Don’t be fooled again!
truth is there is no problem being fooled. Just enjoy what you get when you get it. Thats what the season is about. As the song says, It’s not the Kill, It’s the thrill of the chase!
Metsie: Thanks for the reply. I think what I meant was, I won’t be fooled into thinking this team is a serious playoff contender yet. Seeing competitive baseball and being happy is different than seeing competitive baseball and thinking the playoffs are right around the corner no?
I picked the Mets to win 81 games this year in our MMO predictions, and frankly anything above that is gravy on top in my book.
Like I said I didn’t really have issue with any part of what you said, I personally stay away from predictions because they are quite pointless in my world. Predictions are never based on fact, Anticipation is a much better way of looking at the team.
And by that I mean if these guys are CAPABLE of playing the way they have then it is reasonable and factual to say they CAN play at a championship level.
We may only be seeing the highpoint of what they can do just as we saw the LOW point back in April with the 5-13 start to the season.
The question is will we get more May and June than April when all is said and done.
I just think too many people worry so much more more about the future or what might happen that they miss the great time that can be had in the now!
I’ve said it here before many times. If you already have decided which way the season is going to go and decided thumbs down you will not enjoy the runs like we are having now because instead of watching some pretty good baseball you will be too busy looking for the event that is going to ruin it all for you and miss all the good you ARE getting at the moment.
Basically if we focus on the tree we will miss the beautiful forrest and scenery around it!
i won’t even refer to the article writer by name, but this is just another “i love sandy alderson” article without referance, what the article writer is trying to do is kiss as-s w/o ppl recognizing it, because he loves his sabemetric ppl..
collins was a good choice i’ve give him credit for that, but what else has alderson done other than act quick and take his garbage players he brought in out of the roster quicker than what maybe omar would’ve did? who did he sign that’s top notch player for us? or who out of his guys has even helped produced? other than paulino for now i don’t see 1 player that’s helping us EVERYDAY… this is omar’s roster from pretty much top to bottom, alderson hasn’t done squat for us and the article write is kissing his a-s-s like there’s no tomorrow
Alex: Name 3 sabermetric statistics that Sandy Alderson has used or references in an interview since joining the Mets?
AGAIN, do me a favor, other than paulino (i give you him but remember, he’s not an everyday player, juust a back up catcher having a career year for us which is great) name me a move, player that alderson has given the roster of the current mets that is givin us productivity????
I’m fairly certain I gave you 10 big leaguers on this roster in my blog post.
who are the 10???
I know he counted Turner, Pridie, Harris and Hairston.
So, two of the guys were already here before Sandy was hired, and he counts two backups, who aren’t very good.
Vinny B: 2 guys who weren’t given a chance by Omar. The fact Omar said Turner was hurt in September 2010 and that is why he wasn’t called up gives me every reason to credit Alderson with the move. Considering turner wasn’t hurt in September and finished the AAA season by hitting for the cycle!
And Harris and Hairston are bench players. But who takes their place without them? You need a 25 man active roster don’t you? Have Harris and Hairston not contributed at all to the 2011 Mets?
The AAA season ended September 6.
Maybe he left him down there to finish and then he got hurt thus why he wasn’t brought up with the Big Club in September?
don’t you think that maybe turner in triple A was a gift for him?? as it made him better!
NO, he was better because sandy left him at triple A while he brought up his guy eamus…
Alex: Are you saying Justin Turner became a big league bench/platoon player because he played in AAA from Sept 1-6?
So when rosters expanded on September 1, he left Justin Turner to finish out a losing season in AAA rather than call up the then 25 year old infielder to give him a chance in the big leagues?
Did Sandy get Turner and pridie? Was he the one that got them? NO – They were here before Sandy was hired.
Sandy can’t call them up, if Omar never gets them.
And if Sandy LOVED Turner so much, why didn’t he make the team in ST? And Pridie was only called up because Collins wanted the best fielding CF we had, maybe if Collins doesn’t say that, Pridie wouldn’t have been called up?
And Harris and Hairston can EASILY be replaced. Every team has guys like them.
And if Sandy LOVED Turner so much, why didn’t he make the team in ST?”
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Why did Sandy have to get Brad Emaus when he had his guy all along in Justin Turner?
So, Turner isn’t “Omar’s guy” because Omar didn’t call him up, but he’s suddenly “Sandy’s guy” when he in fact, didn’t call him up either.
so we wasted a rule 5 pick on a guy who was with the team 2 weeks?? why pick the POS on the first place then??!1
Because he used his available options first? He cut Castillo, neither Turner, Murph or Emaus took the 2B job in Spring Training so he used the player who he was guaranteed to lose if he didn’t perform well. That’s a smart move. Turner was there, and could be called up. Emaus couldn’t be sent down.
Beato, Capuano, Byrdak, Izzy. On, like, a $25 budget. And Collins.
Tim Byrdak is a serious downgrade from what we had a season ago.
The Mets lost TWO very good Left handerd RP’s in the offseason, and they were replaced by ONE guy, who is average AT BEST. Now, it was 100% the right move to move on from Felciano, but the PERFECT replacement for him would have been Choate. He was cheap, he didn’t cost a draft pick, and most importantly, he was good.
Takahashi should have been brought back also.
I don’t understand why you would only have ONE left hander in your bullpen, and in this division, when there are plenty of guys avialble that could have been signed, and were cheap too.
the writer of this article doesn’t want the mets to lose, or trade reyes or beltran.. yet in every post he refers to the same thing!!!!!!!
it seems to me that’s what he wants, just like he rooted for the A’s to be the mets, and votes tulowitzki as the starter SS in the ASG…
I’m starting to pity you
Come what may, you guys are the most entertaining POVs on the blog, and you often make me laugh out loud. Passion, a little twisted at times, but who doesn’t love the JP and A68 passion!
thanks russell. i waited too long to come back and set this guy straight.. i mean, come on, writing articles about urinals?? on a sports blog??
Men watch sports. Men use urinals.
Connection, established.
men watch sports, drink beer, eat hot dog.. urinals?? after thought when we know when can “use” the urinal anywhere.. what? you’re too good to never use the street or a tree as your “urinal”??
huh? Are you asking me if I’m too good to urinate in the street?
well are you?? because if you’re complaining about urinals is for a reason!!!!!
How does one rate a urinal? Is it aesthetics, flush-ability, or?
Sloat: Hah! It was actually based on the fact the Citi Field urinals were bowls with no barriers and when I went in there I was welcomed by young people standing far away and aiming and older gentleman not knowing where to put their eyes.
Citi Field has very awkward urinals!
ohh, now you’re pity me?? answer the question and man the f*** up!!
aren’t you the guy who comes up with stats, facts and the true?? prove to me and the world, who has alderson brought in to help the mets on daily bases?? if he needed to fill out 10 spots with little money, how is the team winning because of him?? aren’t this omar’s players (for the record, hated omar as a gm and wanted him gone since he signed your fav player oliver perez)
Joe D is a very fair man that runs this site, how about you grow a set and write your own article. First requirement however, is to actually know what the game of baseball is about. Oh, sorry, maybe you can find another blog that you can pen your poison.
Omar got Turner because nobody wanted him. It wasn’t like he made every attempt to acquire Turner. And the fact remains, Justin Turner was not a September call up and Omar said it was because he wasn’t healthy in September. Yet, he played for AAA Buffalo in September and on the final day of the year hit for the cycle. He could have been called up, but Omar chose not to.
you know.. i am not sure why joe D lets you write this type of article here..
Because it’s not offensive, I don’t curse or threaten people, and I don’t try and insult people every chance I get?
Now why he lets you comment on articles? Not sure.
you’re the biggest poser here, and to top it all you’re a douzhe.. wanting to correct ppl about how they write, never agree or give ppl respect on their opinion, when back into a corner push to get ppl out of the site because you feel offended, you insult ppl more than you think..
man up and answer the question i’ve asked you many times, since you want to get rid of all mets right now, and don’t like the future of this team please elaborate on who would you call the mets of the future??
I don’t even understand the question because it starts with a poor attempt at insulting me.
Are you asking what I call the “future” of a baseball franchise? The Mets have no catcher of the future, no legitimate RF for the future, they don’t have 3-4 pitchers we can safely expect to be in the rotation one day, and they don’t have 4-5 pitchers we can safely expect to be in the bullpen sooner rather than later.
What are you looking for me to say? That Justin Turner hitting .260 ish is the future of the Mets? He’s a solid bench/platoon player. Is that the future?
The point of running a baseball franchise (with an S not a Z) is to try and win now, while sustaining a consistent flow of young talent to replace your older players. When this year is all said and done, the Mets will need a new starting RF, they may need a SS, they will probably need at least 1 legitimate SP, and probably 3-4 relievers including (possibly) a closer.
Is that a good enough answer for you?
how many team in baseball got a future C, 1B, 2B, 3B, SS OF’s on the wing you moron!!!!!!!!!
stop kissing saber sandy’s as-s!!!!!
is nimmo the answer?? i am sure since you’re a sabertician who loves this front office despite haven’t done squat for this team you think is the answer…
the mets are winning for the mets, not in spite of alderson lack of anything on this team.. if you wanna say collins was a great hire, fine, but to kiss alderson’s as-s for NO REASON IS plain PATHETIC!!!!
Hey Alex68, where did you go to school? S.T.U.P.I.D Central?
no.. actually i went to YMWAMIF university
Hippocrate, you just did everything in this post that you called Jessep out on. I guess it’s your rules nor no rules.
If people don’t bow at the church of Alex68 you just call them names instead of having an actual counter argument like an adult.
Pathetic? Do you own a mirror?
Thole could be the catcher of the future. His defense worries me, but he can improve, he’s still young, and he’s still new to the position.
But I think his hitting is going to fine, he’s a good hitter.
this F/O drafted nimmo, i am sure jesseP would say he’s the answer…
The guy hasn’t played a single second of pro ball. Can we please give him a chance? even one at bat anything!!!
If Omar didn’t get him, Sandy can’t call him up.
all you need to know about the writer of this garbage (jessep) is he would rather have 9 good seasons than win 1 world series in that time frame. this kind of stupidity discredits everything else he says.
Have you ever written an article for MMO?
Nope. Why? Because all this loser ever does is complain about someone or something & then leave. Sad.
Hey dumbas$ flow, everyone one of my comments is backed by fact. You just like to ignore the truth and support the dumbest owners in sports. Keep your head in the toliet and watch the nym become the black and yellow of Pittsburgh.
Is that the best comeback you can come with, fairy? Facts? LMFAO! Your “facts” come straight from your ass! Dumbest owners in sports? I’ve seen MUCH worse (Reinsdorf, Angelos, Ricketts, Davis, Dolan, etc.) It’s funny…you only show up when the Mets lose and not when they win. I wonder why? You’re the worst kind of Met fan: The whining, bitching, “I’m never satisfied” type. Just leave this site and never come back, dipshit.
will: I’m not going to run and hide from the fact that I said I’d rather make the playoffs for 10 years and not win a World Series than make the playoffs once in 10 years and win it all.
Sorry I’m not gonna lessen my beliefs for you. A great franchise doesn’t hope to win it once in 10 years and then go away. The Twins are a better franchise over the last 10 years than the Marlins even with Florida’s championship this decade.
It takes more talent to sustain a winning franchise for 10 years 162 games a year than it does to win 11 games in October.
Would I absolutely LOVE it if the Mets won a World Series? Yes. But I wouldn’t want them to win and then ignore the years following that championship.
The best franchises in a 10 year span do not try to make it to the playoffs once and roll the dice. They try to make it every year, because making it is a major accomplishment… and we as fans would be considered LUCKY if we saw the Mets in the playoffs for the better half of a decade.
Well put! There is a valid argument for either side as long as it is not as drastic as you put it. I mean win a championship and then say finish with a solid record just out of the wild card (maybe a few breaks away from play-offs) or go deep into the play-offs every year and be a strong franchise. As long as you don’t pull a Marlins and buy a championship then instantly dismantle it, this is a solid argument!!! I for one go for the championship but I’ve never had one of the teams that I’m a fan of have one of those long standing runs of competitiveness.
I think what would make it an even more compelling argument is if the players on the team were mainly home grown types! If the team stays play off bound and bounced each year with rentals and F/A’s I would find it very hard to root for that.
All that being said I cast my vote for the championship. I wouldn’t have been able to have been a Buffalo Bills fan in the 90′s.
Promoting Terry Collins is by far the best move Alderson made, and with regard to something you said, I almost had an opportunity to interview Collins over a year ago but it never panned out. But while doing my due diligence to prepare for the interview, I was able to to ask some Cyclones and B-Mets about him and to say they loved him would be an understatement. Collins may have been the most intense, hard working, dedicated person working under Minaya and nobody had one bad word to say about him. I was not a Wally Backman supporter when we were looking for a manager, instead some of you might remember I was advocating for Ryne Sandberg. But when Collins came into the picture, I was very intrigued and in the end he turned out to be the best choice. He has the experience to work with veterans and the patience to work with the kids. This team needed someone who could do both those things. The way he handled the Beltran transition to RF was flawless. He’ll be a lame duck next season, but I hope they do try and extend him next spring because his professionalism and never say die attitude is rubbing off on the whole team.
I was for Terry Collins the first time I saw him. At last a nice guy that treated people well and shared with them his knowledge and experience.
At that time there were those who were still beating the drum for Wally Backman who has a police record in Arizona telling us all we need to know about his beating up his wife and other women, and drug and alcohol use as well as lying to the police, etc. I was very surprised to read comments from some on this blog that it didn’t matter what Backman did off the field, they wanted him on the field anyway.
Collins was the perfect person to change the culture of the Met Clubhouse. His handling of the Beltran situation was the result of his understanding of players as people as well as Major Leaguers and his coming into the rotation instead of the pen in Atlanta when we were really teetering sent a big message too but the biggest move by Alderson was getting rid of deadwood Ollie and Luis. With them here moping around (or others like them) nothing would have changed in the Met clubhouse attitude wise.
We would have had the exact same lackadasical play that Omar and Jerry tolerated around here in 2009 (not much could have been done) and 2010.
Nice to see some energy on the field.
Jessep, just got to this article. Thanks for the shoutout.