Comments on: Rome Wasn’t Built In One Day

By: Metsie

Metsie — Thu, 02 Jun 2011 20:22:06 +0000

Did our pitching staff get better when we cut Ollie?
No!
Did Castillo SOLVE the 2b situation? NO!

So you would be wrong to say they made us better, having them might have made us worse but not having them did not make us better!

If we had replaced Ollie with his twin it wouldn’t be an improvement. It was the guy you got to REPLACE them that made the team better not the subtraction of the player itself that made us better!

By: Metsie

Metsie — Thu, 02 Jun 2011 20:19:36 +0000

name them!

Name those promising young starters they are going to give up for a 6 month rental and the priviledge of paying crawford money or more to Reyes…

In Fantasy Baseball yes that deal can happen. In the MLB you will get one past 1st round draft who might help you three years from now and in that 4 or 5 years you think it’s going to take you will be calling to trade one of those pitchers to get a SS so it’s a ruthless cycle!

The Multi-Minor for BIG STAR never turns out to be a good deal for the guy who gave up the big star.

Count all the ones you think it did and then tell me what percentage of ALL the deals like that those few good ones were on the whole.

You can get those guys Just as easily (or the one promising one out of the three) by packaging a Turner and Evans just as easily and not create a hole at SS while your getting him!

By: ben_yoel

ben_yoel — Thu, 02 Jun 2011 19:23:26 +0000

Reyes will be back in 2012

By: ben_yoel

ben_yoel — Thu, 02 Jun 2011 19:22:30 +0000

Umm yea I do. We can’t get any worse…

By: ben_yoel

ben_yoel — Thu, 02 Jun 2011 19:19:05 +0000

LOL

By: t agee

t agee — Thu, 02 Jun 2011 19:15:25 +0000

We got better by getting rid of two guys. Ollie and Luis. We also got better by losing Hampton and Glavine, albeit a few years later.

Getting rid of Bonilla, Alomar, Vaughn, Cedeno, Burnitz. Sometimes those moves have to be made. This is not one of those times. Reyes’s agent should be contacted and numbers should be exchanged.

By: jdon

jdon — Thu, 02 Jun 2011 18:59:46 +0000

Reyes isn’t coming back. The new regime will not start a true rebuild by overpaying in money or years for their first significant free agent. And he is not going to give discounts, not with his injury history. His agent will walk him away. The question is, do you want 2 draft picks or a good prospect? I remember reading before this year that Reyes numbers would NOT make him a top tier free agent. Anyone know where he stands on the Free Agent tree? Because if he ain;’ worth 2 firsts, I surely trade him. If he is, maybe I think about it.

By: Metlomaniac

Metlomaniac — Thu, 02 Jun 2011 18:51:45 +0000

No, but Reyes and Wright can land you promising young pitchers who are tracked to be #1 or #2 starters. I probably wasn’t entirely clear in my post, but my take is that it will be 4-5 years before the Mets are a playoff team, when Reyes and Wright will be nearing their mid-30′s. While Reyes likely would bring back little in a trade, due to his pending free agency, Wright can if he can reestablish his value when he comes back.

By: Metsie

Metsie — Thu, 02 Jun 2011 16:33:49 +0000

And what does moving Wright and reyes do for that Pitching pray tell?

You – We have no Pitching, lets get rid of our SS and 3B!
Me – We have no Pitching and we have no SS or 3B!
You – ? Whats your answer then? Get rid of even MORE players?

DO you think Reyes and Wright are going to get you Halladay and Lee?

Really?

By: Metlomaniac

Metlomaniac — Thu, 02 Jun 2011 16:14:40 +0000

You think the Mets are headed in the right direction, Ben? Can I have some of what you’re smoking?!

They’re heading in the right direction if the direction is straight downward. Even if they keep Wright and Reyes, we’re looking at this line-up for 2012:

Reyes
Pagan
Wright
Bay
Davis
Turner/Murphy
FMart? Duda?
Thole
P

I’ll admit, not terrible, But Hallady, Cliff Lee, Josh Johnson, et al aren’t exactly quaking in their spikes. And who’s pitching? We’ve got tons of 4 and 5 starters, and very little that can be penciled in as a potential ace or #2. Who’s closing? Bullpen?

This is why, as much as it pains me to say it, they should look to move Reyes now, and Wright in the offseason (let’s face it, Wright has been trending downwards for a few years now, and is coming off a pretty substantial injury – his value isn’t exactly at an all-time high!). If they can’t get good value for Reyes, keep him, offer arbitration, and take the draft picks if (when) he leaves.

By: Metsie

Metsie — Thu, 02 Jun 2011 15:50:19 +0000

You guys seem to miss the biggest point….

NO TEAM has ever gotten better by getting rid of someone…
It has always gotten better by GETTING someone!
Getting rid of reyes, Wright, Bay, and Beltran might make space for you to play someone new but it won’t make you better or be an improvement over what was there already unless you find the player that actually would do better than those guys!

By: t agee

t agee — Thu, 02 Jun 2011 15:44:07 +0000

You cannot make up for the 8 years of **** drafts that preceeded Omar here and then the six years in which he handed over 6 of our top picks, blew a bunch of high picks on college relief pitchers and then after 2007, stopped spending on IFA’s.

There wasn’t anything close when Omar got here and there still isn’t. Kirk may very well turn out to be a corner OFer who’s bat once again places RF in the leagues lowest percentile. Wilmer is STILL playing SS! WHY?

There is a very good reason why players who were waived by other organizations represented an increase in our high minor league talent level and it’s not because the system was brimming over with prospects banging on the door.

You really cannot fix 23 years of incompetence and buffoonery in two or three years. We have some things to work with, we have some other pieces to help out but this is going to a project that will take 6 years before we’re functioning at an acceptable Major League level.

By: chris

chris — Thu, 02 Jun 2011 14:53:30 +0000

yes, Rome wasn’t built in a day. The majority of it’s city was built in about 62 years which sounds about wight for the Mets rebuild project.

By: MetsMan86

MetsMan86 — Thu, 02 Jun 2011 14:46:24 +0000

All the “trade talk” is mere speculation, and is another example of why I HATE the media today; everyone trying to be the first ones to report something with ZERO credability behind it.
Alderson saw the writing on the wall when he signed on as the GM, and knew his job was going to be building a future with a team that at the moment would be doing more with less. Does that future include Reyes? If it didn’t before, Reyes’ performance so far definitly has Aldersons attention now. Does it include Wright? Performance will dictate that.
Too all the inevitable people who will come and bash Alderson and his “saber” crap, just hussssssssh. I gotta believe Alderson isn’t going to turn down a (hopefully) more robust payroll to continue to scrape the bottom of the barrel. The thing I’m looking forward to with Alderson is getting people in here based on repeated production, and not just overpaying the hottest name on the market.
This years team just has too much dead money and massive albatross contracts that were/are doing NOTHING-ZERO-ZILCH-NADA!

By: alex68

alex68 — Thu, 02 Jun 2011 14:44:23 +0000

yeah, agree, but we aint building rome with bay, wright and fragile ike davis, a dumb baseball player, no reyes, no beltran, no starting pitching, no bullpen, no bench and a bunch of double A players playing in the majors.. ohhh, and last but certainly not least, NO MONEY TO SIGN ANY GOOD OR DECENT FREE AGENT!!!

By: Donal

Donal — Thu, 02 Jun 2011 14:26:43 +0000

Exactly, you can’t prepare for the 2011 season starting November 2010. It’s a process.

Also, enough speculation about Reyes. We don’t know what his priorities are. He may or may not want a Crawford deal. No one here knows and baseless speculation doesn’t help anyone.