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	<title>Comments on: Morning Grind: Enough Is Enough, It&#8217;s Time For Bay To Grab Some Pine</title>
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		<title>By: Metsie</title>
		<link>http://metsmerizedonline.com/2011/06/morning-grind-enough-is-enough-its-time-for-bay-to-grab-some-pine.html#comment-158665</link>
		<dc:creator>Metsie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jun 2011 03:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh and I guess Gooden and Darling should never have been brought up that quick either!

You want to make a point then make an actual point not just make one up!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh and I guess Gooden and Darling should never have been brought up that quick either!</p>
<p>You want to make a point then make an actual point not just make one up!</p>
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		<title>By: Metsie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Metsie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jun 2011 03:49:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sure they do!
Braves started Heyward didn&#039;t they?

Were we in a pennant race last year?

There goes yor mejia argument...

Explain what they needed to do before you will say they are ready?

Or is ready just a something that happens when it&#039;s the Phillies guy who gets the start?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure they do!<br />
Braves started Heyward didn&#8217;t they?</p>
<p>Were we in a pennant race last year?</p>
<p>There goes yor mejia argument&#8230;</p>
<p>Explain what they needed to do before you will say they are ready?</p>
<p>Or is ready just a something that happens when it&#8217;s the Phillies guy who gets the start?</p>
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		<title>By: t agee</title>
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		<dc:creator>t agee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jun 2011 00:41:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Teams in pennant races don&#039;t have guys in their first couple of seasons of pro ball starting games.  And you might have forgotten about Mejia, Tejada, Parnell, Milledge, Gomez, Pelfrey, Humber, Vargas, Fern.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Teams in pennant races don&#8217;t have guys in their first couple of seasons of pro ball starting games.  And you might have forgotten about Mejia, Tejada, Parnell, Milledge, Gomez, Pelfrey, Humber, Vargas, Fern.</p>
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		<title>By: jdon</title>
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		<dc:creator>jdon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jun 2011 19:39:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think a shrink might be better.  He appears to be totally overanxious at all times.  He should lay back and try to drive the ball the other way.  He is constantly in front.  Also, where is his pitch recognition?  Chasing garbage off the plate all the time.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think a shrink might be better.  He appears to be totally overanxious at all times.  He should lay back and try to drive the ball the other way.  He is constantly in front.  Also, where is his pitch recognition?  Chasing garbage off the plate all the time.</p>
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		<title>By: jdon</title>
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		<dc:creator>jdon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jun 2011 19:33:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[right.  the problem is that the replacements stink.  why can&#039;t Bay so much as elevate a baseball.  Does he do it in batting practice?  I would not mind seeing Kirk.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>right.  the problem is that the replacements stink.  why can&#8217;t Bay so much as elevate a baseball.  Does he do it in batting practice?  I would not mind seeing Kirk.</p>
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		<title>By: Clayton Collier</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clayton Collier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jun 2011 18:43:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I was thinking the same thing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was thinking the same thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Metsie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Metsie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jun 2011 17:56:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If Beltran gets traded don&#039;t be surprised to see Kirk playing CF and Pagan moving to RF.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Beltran gets traded don&#8217;t be surprised to see Kirk playing CF and Pagan moving to RF.</p>
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		<title>By: Metsie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Metsie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jun 2011 17:54:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Humber? You guys missed the point there...He was a September call up, All the promising young kids get those. What was odd that we used a rookie while we were in a playoff race. Not that he was rushed up.

Was the problem that he got rocked in an important game making that ONE GAME stand out in your mind more than some other Rookie Debut in September such as Gee&#039;s where the game was pointless we were already out of it?

Milledge was an immature person not an immature player. He has had sexual misconduct allegations and even had that dumb High Five incident. But he was in the MiL for two years and raked at every level throughout.

Then they traded him. He had the talent but he was too immature to be a good player, thats all. Had nothing to do with how quick he came up!

As for rushing Gomez, did they really? I mean yes he came out and did enough for someone to want to trade Johan for him!

Sorry Clayton Mejia is about the only one you can say was being rushed and considering what they were asking him to do it would seem to be not as bad an idea as I thought seeing as how he didn&#039;t hold up under the stress of starting.

And if he had shined in relief and became our future closer we could trade away K-Rod to get some kids we would not have to rush because trading him didn&#039;t create a hole that wasn&#039;t already able to be filled by what we have.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Humber? You guys missed the point there&#8230;He was a September call up, All the promising young kids get those. What was odd that we used a rookie while we were in a playoff race. Not that he was rushed up.</p>
<p>Was the problem that he got rocked in an important game making that ONE GAME stand out in your mind more than some other Rookie Debut in September such as Gee&#8217;s where the game was pointless we were already out of it?</p>
<p>Milledge was an immature person not an immature player. He has had sexual misconduct allegations and even had that dumb High Five incident. But he was in the MiL for two years and raked at every level throughout.</p>
<p>Then they traded him. He had the talent but he was too immature to be a good player, thats all. Had nothing to do with how quick he came up!</p>
<p>As for rushing Gomez, did they really? I mean yes he came out and did enough for someone to want to trade Johan for him!</p>
<p>Sorry Clayton Mejia is about the only one you can say was being rushed and considering what they were asking him to do it would seem to be not as bad an idea as I thought seeing as how he didn&#8217;t hold up under the stress of starting.</p>
<p>And if he had shined in relief and became our future closer we could trade away K-Rod to get some kids we would not have to rush because trading him didn&#8217;t create a hole that wasn&#8217;t already able to be filled by what we have.</p>
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		<title>By: Clayton Collier</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clayton Collier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jun 2011 17:44:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I would say next year assuming no signing there. that Kirk is the starting 2012 centerfielder for the Mets]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would say next year assuming no signing there. that Kirk is the starting 2012 centerfielder for the Mets</p>
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		<title>By: Metsie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Metsie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jun 2011 17:32:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Like I said Duda will likely be brought up if Davis&#039;s injury is extended. Evans is getting his chance because he was sent down in favor of Duda when camp opened. So they are going to give Evans a chance to show and if they are not impressed they will then swap him for Duda until Davis gets back.

The others should stay down until someone goes, You not going to rest Beltran at this point and Pagan is doing well after his long rest. So unless you have a place to play them everyday they are much better off where they are.

I think Bay is tradeable if he gets hot soon so they should let him work it out lower in the lineup and see if some form of Bay, Kid and a Salary gulp can&#039;t make room for Kirk or F-Mart.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like I said Duda will likely be brought up if Davis&#8217;s injury is extended. Evans is getting his chance because he was sent down in favor of Duda when camp opened. So they are going to give Evans a chance to show and if they are not impressed they will then swap him for Duda until Davis gets back.</p>
<p>The others should stay down until someone goes, You not going to rest Beltran at this point and Pagan is doing well after his long rest. So unless you have a place to play them everyday they are much better off where they are.</p>
<p>I think Bay is tradeable if he gets hot soon so they should let him work it out lower in the lineup and see if some form of Bay, Kid and a Salary gulp can&#8217;t make room for Kirk or F-Mart.</p>
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		<title>By: Clayton Collier</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clayton Collier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jun 2011 17:26:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Metsie, wouldnt you say Lastings Milledge was rushed? or Humber or gomez?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Metsie, wouldnt you say Lastings Milledge was rushed? or Humber or gomez?</p>
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		<title>By: Metsie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Metsie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jun 2011 17:24:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hmm Wright is in that age range you seem to be hot on touting as their BEST years....

Whats his story?

Generation K was rushed up, Omar didn&#039;t really rush anyone. Has Rushing Ike actually hurt us? How about Niese? Maybe Pelfrey?

The only kid he rushed was MEJIA! They wanted to make him a CLOSER so they could dump K-Rod. Something you seem to support in many of those 20 year rants!

Develop a Closer like the Yankees and Boston you say....

Well I trashed it as a mistake but your good at hindsight, what does hindsight tell you might be all Mejia is food for? A few Innings but won&#039;t hold up to a lot of innings.

Really thats the only kid you can say Omar rushed. 
And as Mejia and F-Mart shows, doesn&#039;t matter how old you are you can still get hurt because injuries are NOT predictable!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm Wright is in that age range you seem to be hot on touting as their BEST years&#8230;.</p>
<p>Whats his story?</p>
<p>Generation K was rushed up, Omar didn&#8217;t really rush anyone. Has Rushing Ike actually hurt us? How about Niese? Maybe Pelfrey?</p>
<p>The only kid he rushed was MEJIA! They wanted to make him a CLOSER so they could dump K-Rod. Something you seem to support in many of those 20 year rants!</p>
<p>Develop a Closer like the Yankees and Boston you say&#8230;.</p>
<p>Well I trashed it as a mistake but your good at hindsight, what does hindsight tell you might be all Mejia is food for? A few Innings but won&#8217;t hold up to a lot of innings.</p>
<p>Really thats the only kid you can say Omar rushed.<br />
And as Mejia and F-Mart shows, doesn&#8217;t matter how old you are you can still get hurt because injuries are NOT predictable!</p>
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		<title>By: Clayton Collier</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clayton Collier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jun 2011 17:23:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I see what your saying and I agree,but Duda is raking, why not give him a shot? he can play some 1B too.

You may be correct on Kirk. He might need to wait until after the trade deadline.

and F-mart seemed to be much improved in his breif time this season. defensively and offensively]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see what your saying and I agree,but Duda is raking, why not give him a shot? he can play some 1B too.</p>
<p>You may be correct on Kirk. He might need to wait until after the trade deadline.</p>
<p>and F-mart seemed to be much improved in his breif time this season. defensively and offensively</p>
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		<title>By: t agee</title>
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		<dc:creator>t agee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jun 2011 16:31:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is all in keeping with the Wilpon plan of avoiding the best years of All Star caliber players and either rushing kids up here at 20 or signing 32-40 year olds.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is all in keeping with the Wilpon plan of avoiding the best years of All Star caliber players and either rushing kids up here at 20 or signing 32-40 year olds.</p>
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		<title>By: Metsie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Metsie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jun 2011 16:04:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You say that Claytn but the problem is everytime Duda and F-Mart have been brought up they don&#039;t hit any better than Bay does!

Maybe Kirk will but here is the problem with bringing him up...

First he should not be rushed.
Two bring him up now and if he does succeed everyone will want us to include him in one of the destined to happen future deadline trades...

Kirk is not going to see the MLB until after Beltran is gone, and or F-mart fails.

Is replacing Bay going to change our chances of winning this season?
NO!
So then it makes a ton more sense to let him get the work in and try to fix his swing and approach or at least hit enough to make him wanted by someone if we are willing to pay part of his salary in a trade.

If we were 2nd in the Division or the Wild card it might make some sense to sit Bay, but where we are it makes zero sense at all!

You are going to have plenty of opportunity to see Kirk and F-Mart late this year or next season. You will probably see Duda in a week to come in and play 1B if Evans doesn&#039;t hit. I doubt Duda will hit either.

He hasn&#039;t before when he got the opportunity and unless he is tearing up the MiL now it really makes no sense to think promoting him would be a help.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You say that Claytn but the problem is everytime Duda and F-Mart have been brought up they don&#8217;t hit any better than Bay does!</p>
<p>Maybe Kirk will but here is the problem with bringing him up&#8230;</p>
<p>First he should not be rushed.<br />
Two bring him up now and if he does succeed everyone will want us to include him in one of the destined to happen future deadline trades&#8230;</p>
<p>Kirk is not going to see the MLB until after Beltran is gone, and or F-mart fails.</p>
<p>Is replacing Bay going to change our chances of winning this season?<br />
NO!<br />
So then it makes a ton more sense to let him get the work in and try to fix his swing and approach or at least hit enough to make him wanted by someone if we are willing to pay part of his salary in a trade.</p>
<p>If we were 2nd in the Division or the Wild card it might make some sense to sit Bay, but where we are it makes zero sense at all!</p>
<p>You are going to have plenty of opportunity to see Kirk and F-Mart late this year or next season. You will probably see Duda in a week to come in and play 1B if Evans doesn&#8217;t hit. I doubt Duda will hit either.</p>
<p>He hasn&#8217;t before when he got the opportunity and unless he is tearing up the MiL now it really makes no sense to think promoting him would be a help.</p>
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		<title>By: Metfan Lou</title>
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		<dc:creator>Metfan Lou</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jun 2011 15:44:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[How about bringing in a batting coach to work exclusively with Bay for a temporary time and let them do their thing at Citi Field on off days and you could even leave him behined for a series and they can have the field to themselves. What do you have to lose at this point.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about bringing in a batting coach to work exclusively with Bay for a temporary time and let them do their thing at Citi Field on off days and you could even leave him behined for a series and they can have the field to themselves. What do you have to lose at this point.</p>
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		<title>By: Clayton Collier</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clayton Collier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jun 2011 15:33:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Metsie, send down or release Harris. Call up Duda Kirk or F-mart? They would be able to hit better than him.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Metsie, send down or release Harris. Call up Duda Kirk or F-mart? They would be able to hit better than him.</p>
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		<title>By: Metsie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Metsie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jun 2011 15:18:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well he certainly isn&#039;t going to get his stroke back sitting on the Bench.

He provides good fielding and since we do not have anyone who is going to hit any better than him to throw in there it makes no sense to bench him. Just move him down in the order and get that damn hitting coach on top of him.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well he certainly isn&#8217;t going to get his stroke back sitting on the Bench.</p>
<p>He provides good fielding and since we do not have anyone who is going to hit any better than him to throw in there it makes no sense to bench him. Just move him down in the order and get that damn hitting coach on top of him.</p>
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		<title>By: happy little metsies</title>
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		<dc:creator>happy little metsies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jun 2011 15:13:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Go metsies....hate on Bay.  Afterall, it is in your history and your make-up to hate on your own players.   Keep up the good work.  Its what makes America glad they aren&#039;t metsie fans like you all are!!!!!!!    maybe you can have an official boo and throw things at bay day and help sell some tickets to your new ghost park.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Go metsies&#8230;.hate on Bay.  Afterall, it is in your history and your make-up to hate on your own players.   Keep up the good work.  Its what makes America glad they aren&#8217;t metsie fans like you all are!!!!!!!    maybe you can have an official boo and throw things at bay day and help sell some tickets to your new ghost park.</p>
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		<title>By: Clayton Collier</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clayton Collier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jun 2011 15:11:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well Lackey was off to a terrible start, but Last year he was at least respectable, unlike Bay. So between that and the fact that the Redsox outfield is basically set, I do not think that trade would happen. But I do see the value in trading one bad contract for another. Not only does it give us fresh blood but it allows for Kirk, Duda or F-mart to make their way in.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well Lackey was off to a terrible start, but Last year he was at least respectable, unlike Bay. So between that and the fact that the Redsox outfield is basically set, I do not think that trade would happen. But I do see the value in trading one bad contract for another. Not only does it give us fresh blood but it allows for Kirk, Duda or F-mart to make their way in.</p>
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