Comments on: Don’t Look Now, But Beltran Has Been As Good As Ever

By: NYMetsfan

NYMetsfan — Fri, 01 Jul 2011 11:50:33 +0000

HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA

You are so funny, hippocrate

By: jessep

jessep — Thu, 30 Jun 2011 16:18:26 +0000

Mets62: The question in doubt was the fact alex68 references the fact that David Wright is a choker, and in the same breath gives Jose Reyes a pass and praises him.

The fact is, in September of 2007 and September of 2008 is the ONLY time in which we can really figure out who let the Mets down. They badly needed every player’s BEST and frankly, they got it from Wright and didn’t get it from Reyes.

Reyes had one of the worst September’s of any qualified hitter in 2007.

I’m in no way denying or diminishing the role of Reyes earlier in that year but the question at hand is choking. Nobody gets called a choker for their play in May. They get called a choker for their play down the stretch, especially in a pennant race.

In that case, sadly Reyes failed and Wright did not.

So really all I’m looking for is an end to this “choke” claim, because it always seems to happen with praise for Reyes. Nobody here calls Reyes a choker do they?

By: METS62FAN

METS62FAN — Thu, 30 Jun 2011 16:05:51 +0000

Jess, as a graybeard who attended his first game @ age 5 or 6 in Ebbets
I can assure u that I’ve a lot of respect for the value of stats; but little personal use for them. What I can tell you is how my gut reacts in critical late game situations in the past few seasons; Reyes due up, stomach is fine, brain is conjecturing on how many diffeeent methods he can cause damage; Wright due up stomach is tight, brain is praying desperately for a miracle. I’ve also never denigrated one of my own with that Choke moniker, though I suspect, Wright, more than most feels too much personal responsibility for his team’s failures. so much so as to nearly cripple him. Reyes appears much less encumbered to the point of too self involved in concentrating on what HE can do @ that moment within his capabilities , unlike Wright who desperately wishes to hit a 3R jack with no one on base into a gale force headwind. Perhaps this is a byproduct of their job descriptions as a leadoff hitter compared to a meat hitter?

Another reason why I’m not a fan of evaluation via stats in favor of eyeballs is simply stats that reflect a player’s making excellent contact on balls driven into circus catches with RISP only show a failure to produce; not the drive that meant the difference between a near game winner; but for pisspoor luck & a dribbler to the pitcher so-so effort. These are both FAILURES under pressure, one induced by lack of fortune the other lack of competitive character
We’ve all recently been reminded of Migel Cabrerra’s competitive character & despite his superior offensive stats, I’d much prefer a David Wright’s brand of failure than Miggy’s.
I wonder if Fl’s dealing both Miggy & D-Train to Detroit in 1 pkg had anything to do with their similar off-field abuse issues?

By: METS62FAN

METS62FAN — Thu, 30 Jun 2011 15:10:40 +0000

Jessep, I beg to reconsider your “asleep at the wheel” to “beyond exhausted coma”
FYI, SS is one of the most demanding positions, successful SB are batering.

2007 160G 78 SB
2008 159G 56 SB
That’s ONLY 3 days off over 2 full Seasons…
Jess, did u ever consider the obvious, that it was Reyes’ play from April To August that created those leads on 8/31 the buullpen (Ayala,Sosa,Mota,Heilman) was allowed to squander, no leadoff hitter in history could possibnly have added enough in September to counteract the destructiveness wrought by that inept succession of bullpen freaks especially in addition to what he had already provided.
Jess, I know you’re intelligent. Smart enough to realize it’s 6 mos of contributions that make a winning Season, not just one. If Reyes was AWOL for those Septembers u may have cause to criticize; but ALL too frequently those months he and his fellow hitters supplied leads late only to see them squandered frivolously by those summoned in with gasoline by Willie & Jerry

Jess give the guy credit for those leads we collapsed from instead of rediculously blaming him for what only a miracle could have avoided.

By: Metsie

Metsie — Thu, 30 Jun 2011 15:04:34 +0000

Well Chuck it wasn’t just Beltran, folks around here pretty much wanted to run the entire team out of town a month and a half ago!

All because of a 5-13 start to the season.

And as I always say, it isn’t how you start it is how you finish!

By: jessep

jessep — Thu, 30 Jun 2011 14:43:27 +0000

When you wake up in the morning, do you just run around in a circle until you get dizzy?

By: jessep

jessep — Thu, 30 Jun 2011 14:19:53 +0000

Donal: You clearly did not read the posting guidelines of alex68.

Step 1: Mention Jessep for no reason

Step 2: Mention David Wright in a negative way, even if the blog is about nothing in regards to David Wright

Step 3: Knock Wright for being unclutch, praise Jose Reyes who was asleep at the wheel in September of 2007 and September of 2008 which was the time when every Met fan needed him the most.

Step 4: Spell franchise with a z.

By: chuck

chuck — Thu, 30 Jun 2011 14:07:45 +0000

Why do so people want to run him out of town. Just keep him the whole yr and offer him a 2 yr 18 mil contract. Thats not crazy money and with his kneee more than fare value.

By: alex68

alex68 — Thu, 30 Jun 2011 13:52:41 +0000

no, i don’t. again, be a man, since you like talking S*** and try to bring others down with your supposed “knowledge” of baseball, please elaborate on who is on your list to be on the mets future plan??
F*ing douzhe

By: alex68

alex68 — Thu, 30 Jun 2011 13:46:03 +0000

real quick before i forget, kudos to collins for manning up when ask about byrdak, he took the blame and said he was right to be upset, i screw the pooch.. players see that, this man wasn’t the sexy choice to be the manager, but it clearly seems it was. kudos to saber sandy for the choice, collins shows his players he cares for them and they’re playing for him really hard, and is paying off as the mets are 37-27 since starting the season 5-13..

By: alex68

alex68 — Thu, 30 Jun 2011 13:41:11 +0000

step 1: mention jesseP for NO REASON??? how about you’re a front runner, a poser who hates reyes and love overratedwitzki who’s a POS coors fielf product
Step 2: david wright’s a choker
step 3; you just mad reyes is having an MVP season, will get paid and your beloved will be traded
step 4: franchize!!!!!!!!! zzzzzzzzeeeeee ..douzhe that’s what you are..

By: Donal

Donal — Thu, 30 Jun 2011 13:03:09 +0000

He’s finally healthy after how long. He’s quietly been one of the best OF of his generation. Just an absolute beast.

By: Metstheory22

Metstheory22 — Thu, 30 Jun 2011 13:01:46 +0000

Agree also. Quiet leader. Glad he is producing and will miss him when he is gone.

By: alex68

alex68 — Thu, 30 Jun 2011 13:00:50 +0000

don’t read what i got to say if it bothers you, donalickety

By: Donal

Donal — Thu, 30 Jun 2011 12:59:24 +0000

The article is about how awesome Beltran is, not your hate boner for Wright or anyone else.

By: alex68

alex68 — Thu, 30 Jun 2011 12:16:55 +0000

clayton, great article, i’ve said many times, this guy IS a leader, he don’t make up excuses about such and such is injure, or this guy is hitting behind me.. no, he goes out, plays and perform at a high level, yes he was hurt, but in 7 years he’s given us 4 1/2 good years, not great but not horrible either, is a shame he got hurt because we could’ve had a superstar leader for many years..
you said this “In the absence of Ike Davis and David Wright, the Mets could have easily been done for if Beltran had performed at the level that everyone was expecting to see from him this season” that’s why is called a prediction, you never know whar you’re getting from year to year bases on baseball, who would’ve thunk wright would become useless? or bay a POS after 36 hr with boston? some things in baseball are just spookie, year to year bases, that’s baseball, i am just glad this guy is producing the way he is, he’s a good guy and we should have embrace him better instead of falling in love with guys who called themselves leaders or face of the franchize while choking under pressure, this guy leads by examples, not making cliche quotes…

EL ESTA AQUI!!!!