Comments on: Dillon Gee – The Poor-er Man’s Rick Reed

By: Mark Anthony Ramirez

Mark Anthony Ramirez — Thu, 16 Jun 2011 17:21:09 +0000

I hate the title of this post for many reasons and I will mention a few of them.
Reed was an ok to solid pitcher who, was a fighter and a thinking mans pitcher. Personally i think that’s where the comparison should end. First off Gee has better stuff than Reed ever had. Better breaking ball, changeup has better movement and Gee, throws harder, more consistently than Reed ever did. Reed would top out at 90 maybe a few times a game. Gee, has topped out at 93 or 94 a few times and consistently is at 90 or over. Yes, Gee does and has pitched well just throwing his fastball between 87 and 90 but, he has the extra when he really needs it. Rick, never did, he never had that tiny bit extra. Also Gee has much better movement on his fastball as well. Everything Gee throws moves. Even when his fastball is only topping out at 88mph it moves up in the zone.

He is honestly more like Greg Maddux, than he is Reed. Now, can Gee reach Maddux like success? I do not know, nor will I predict such a thing. Maddux was a pitching junkie, he made every pitch move and he knew every batters tendencies and weaknesses. If Gee devotes himself to learning every line up, and if he has that special something inside of him, whether it is the desire, the fire or hunger, if he has it, he can be a very successful big league pitcher for a long time.
Lastly, let Gee forge his own legacy, and career. Yeah we all like to compare the present to the past but, many times we either set ourselves up for disappointment or, we do not really appreciate what makes the current, so very special all on its own.
M.A.R.
Lets Go Mets!

By: Metstheory22

Metstheory22 — Tue, 14 Jun 2011 12:31:37 +0000

Agreed Sarge. I have already heard people want to trade him before he comes down to earth. We are trying to build a winner, not trade our assets. I would keep him over Pelfrey at this point. Pelfrey has regressed from last year and I still see him being a free agent with Boras as his agent.

By: Joe Spector

Joe Spector — Tue, 14 Jun 2011 01:59:15 +0000

Salutes the Sarge!

By: NYMetsfan

NYMetsfan — Mon, 13 Jun 2011 23:11:26 +0000

Right because in his very limited major league experience with a winning record YOU can tell he’s a below average pitcher.

I bet you told your kids there was no Santa Claus too

Stop letting people pee in your Fruity Pebbles.

By: NYMetsfan

NYMetsfan — Mon, 13 Jun 2011 23:08:28 +0000

No WE have not – YOU and some of your boys club has, but those that know game know otherwise.

You obsession is sick.

By: sarge

sarge — Mon, 13 Jun 2011 22:54:13 +0000

So only when Gee shows that he can win against “good” teams, and who determines this in a year where there is so much parity in NL and in NL East?

He has pitched good against good and bad teams and as he masters his curve and learns the league and how to pace himself then it doesn’t matter what team he faces if he has control of his pitches and a good game plan.
Sheesh let us not get too happy over a home grown talent that showed last year and not so far this year that he can pitch in the majors and deserves to be here against good, bad, in between, struggling, injured whatever teams.

He pitches against whomever happens to be the team that day and that is all that matters to all you nay sayers out there.

He pitches “like” Reed and Maddux because of his control and two seam fastball but he is still learning but he is progressing great and let us rejoice in a good Met prospect.

Yeah!

By: Metstheory22

Metstheory22 — Mon, 13 Jun 2011 19:23:34 +0000

Agree Annie with everything you just said:)

By: alex68

alex68 — Mon, 13 Jun 2011 19:21:29 +0000

or that oliver perez contract was well deserve and he’s still got upside. lol idiots right..

By: Joe Spector

Joe Spector — Mon, 13 Jun 2011 19:13:11 +0000

Some people tend to only see the negative and portray it as reality. Then again someone out there still thinks Anthony Young was actually pretty good..lol.

By: jessep

jessep — Mon, 13 Jun 2011 19:10:45 +0000

All I’m saying is, wouldn’t you rather see how he fares about legitimate contending lineups before you decide “how he pitches”

He’s not facing very tough lineups right now. Pitching to Utley-Howard or Votto-Bruce is a little different than… Overbay-Tabata etc

I don’t need to be “right” and predict how he will do. I think Mets fans wanna be the 1st to decide a young player will be legit. “oh I called it!” Meanwhile in almost every instance, the longevity is a failure.

Who was the last Mets minor leaguer who wasn’t a top prospects (excludes Reyes, Wright) that REALLY turned out to be a quality big leaguer from the start of their career? More times than not, the reverse happens… so I’d rather not sit here and pretend he’s something he’s not. Can he be? Sure… but after 14 starts, deciding what he’ll be over the course of a 200 inning season is ridiculous

By: Joe Spector

Joe Spector — Mon, 13 Jun 2011 19:07:52 +0000

Jessup I didn’t try and paint Gee or Reed as great as Greg Maddux was. Clearly the man is a HOF’er. All I said is there are times Gee invokes Reed. Both Reed and Gee have the same style, now when it comes to pure talent, we know who stands out.

By: Joe Spector

Joe Spector — Mon, 13 Jun 2011 18:58:03 +0000

No doubt Reyes is a dynamic player, especially on the bases, and makes others better due to the pressure he puts on opposing pitchers. I look at it this way the Mets can get by w/o Wright but they can’t get by w/o Reyes. That doesn’t mean we should automatically trade Wright. In a world where the Mets are winners both Wright & Reyes should be a part of it.

By: jessep

jessep — Mon, 13 Jun 2011 18:46:55 +0000

Alex: For starters, I was not replying to you. If I was, I would have… replied to you. The author of this blog references Maddux both in the article and in comments. It’s not all about you.

And when you compare Dillon Gee to Greg Maddux, you’re calling Dillon Gee a #1 type pitcher. You can’t be compared to a Hall of Famer and then suddenly claim you’re not saying he’s a #1 type pitcher.

This conversation has also come up in the shoutbox where people have said Dillon Gee is better than guys who were Top 10 in Cy Young voting in 2010.

The point is.

Dillon Gee has faced almost every subpar offense that the NL has to offer. He’s pitched in the major leagues as a starter less than half of what you want your starters to do in just 1 season. He has 14 career starts.

You can’t tell me you know what Dillon Gee is after 14 starts. So I’d rather sit back and enjoy the ride and watch it unfold rather than throw names like Maddux out there as though claiming he’s anything like Maddux isn’t a ridiculous claim today.

By: jessep

jessep — Mon, 13 Jun 2011 18:05:29 +0000

I like Dillon Gee, there’s nothing to dislike… my problem is that I’m seeing people drink the kool aid way, way too early… similar to the way they did (myself included) with Daniel Murphy. I’m not going to fall for it again.

The guy hasn’t even played a full season in the major leagues and we have people comparing him to Greg Maddux? People get mad that LeBron James is compared to Michael Jordan… at least there’s a reasonable argument (wrong, but reasonable)

The average offense he’s faced in 2011 as a starter is ranked *20th in baseball*. You have to win the games you pitch and you can’t choose your opponents by my goodness, I’d like to see how he fares against other teams like Cincy, St. Lous, Mil, Col, Phi before I call the guy Maddux-esque.

There’s nothing wrong with being a good 4/5 type starter. I hope that is what we have here. Saying he’s a #1 type is setting yourself up for dissapointment

By: Annie Savoy

Annie Savoy — Mon, 13 Jun 2011 18:04:46 +0000

It’s his demeanor on the mound that impresses me, particularly for such a young pitcher. He’s got his plan and he follows it, much like the veterans do. I’d very much like to see him play with the Mets for a long time.

By: Russell Zanca

Russell Zanca — Mon, 13 Jun 2011 18:00:52 +0000

Yeah, but he stinks, he’s nothing. Just wait till the NL hitters figure him out…wah! wah! wah!

Ah, Mets fans: nothing is ever what it is, but what it should appear to be.

By: alex68

alex68 — Mon, 13 Jun 2011 18:00:49 +0000

fair enough…again, gee pitches like maddux.. he’s calm at the mound, he’s very savvy and knows how to pitch. those are maddux like intangeables. that’s pretty much what the writer and i are saying. noone is saying “oh em gee, he’s 7-0, he’ll be like maddux”, we’re saying that his way to pitch is maddux like

By: alex68

alex68 — Mon, 13 Jun 2011 17:45:19 +0000

by the way, mets are 9-0 when he starts this year, and 13-2 overall when he starts in his short career as a met

By: alex68

alex68 — Mon, 13 Jun 2011 17:27:58 +0000

mr know it all says: “The guy hasn’t even played a full season in the major leagues and we have people comparing him to Greg Maddux?”

what i actually said: “greg maddux-like pitcher. everytime he pitches it reminds me of maddux how he kept hitters off balance and painting the corners”

once again.. trying to start a fight you know you can’t win…

By: alex68

alex68 — Mon, 13 Jun 2011 17:25:14 +0000

mr know it all:

haven’t seen anyone say he’s #1 type or ace type. but he’s got such a cool, calm and collective demeanor that is hard not to start realizing this guy is special in some ways, you don’t have to throw 96 mph to be a good pitcher, to be a good pitcher you gotta be able to KNOW how to pitch, and from what i’m seeing this year and last year, this guy KNOWS how to pitch..