Pence will do it at the deadline and Beltran in FA….

I think thats why Pence might be worth giving up the kids for where Beltran may not since he is merely a 3 Month rental.

It would have to be a team that is already just fine without Beltran and just want to get some overwhelminf force to add to that.

Pense does have neutral platoon splits which would help our lineup at the end of games especially with Carlos sure to be gone but he is NOT a good two strike hitter and that is one thing that only gets worse with age.

A trade for Pence costing something we have in abundance is not a no go because we don’t have anything in abundance. Trading him for a couple of C level prospects like Lutz, Satin, Dykstra doesn’t sound appealing from the Astros perspective.

If we could get him at a very low cost, play him in RF for 2013-2104 and cash him in for two high draft choices as a Type A FA that would make a lot of sense but I just don’t see it happening at a reasonable price.

I think teams needing a good OF for the stretch run might look to Beltran first if they’re not in the market for a guy for their future like Pence would be. Off the top of my head, I can think of the Mariners and Rays, both in the playoff hunt and both having Ackley and Jennings, respectively, on the horizon and not looking to block them with Pence. Get a talented guy who can fill out the year with playoff experience and keep the rookies out of pressure baseball.

The Rangers are a team I could see in the market for Pence. He’s played some CF, though not much (95 games) and not particularly well, but the Rangers are currently starting Endy Chavez in CF and their best CF prospect is only 21 and stinking up AA (and didn’t overly impress in A ball,either).

Pence will waste a lot of negotiating time. I would bet his deal goes right down to the wire which means teams looking for an OF might go to the wire leaving us with no partner to negotiate with until Pence goes…

That will hurt the return we get for Carlos unless they work out some arrangement with us before as a backup before they try for pence.

Silly me, thinking you were a man all this time.

In regards to Pence I think the asking price will be more than for Beltran. Pence should have more suitors and I also think that deal will take longer than any deal for Beltran. If we ask for too much they might as well try for Pence with the same package meaning it will be much more difficult for us to trade Beltran as long as Pence is on the block.

We basically agree on Pence as far as worth. What I was trying to get at was with Pence out there Beltran is harder to trade. Now maybe once Pence gets packed off You get a little more for Beltran but the fact that Pence is an option is going to lower the bar on what we get for Carlos.

As for the others, Well they won’t really have to give up major prospects to get them. So if we price Beltran too high they would be more inclined to trade for the lesser that doesn’t kill thier MiL and go after Beltran in FA if they really want him.

Can you clarify, because I think differently. Pence is the best player on that list not currently a Met. He’s probably better than Beltran at this stage. Kubel’s a decent hitter, but that’s about all. That says to me that the pickins are really that slim and if a team needs an upgrade in RF (or maybe they even give Beltran a shot in CF), they’ll really need to bring it trade-wise. Sure, the Mets will have to eat salary regardless, but maybe they get better players back because in some sense they hold the leverage of having the best accessible OF. Remember, as good as Pence is, he’s very cheap this year and under team control for two more. That combo will demand much more in a trade than Beltran will.

Look at all those OFs on that list (Granted some should not even be there)
It shows it will be difficult to get a lot for Beltran at the deadline without paying salary.

And I’m almost turning in my opinion and thinking it might not be such a bad idea to resign Beltran to a 2 or 3 year deal. Yes the Knees are a BIG RISK but he is getting the job done.

If we are going to pay Salary to trade and still not get much I would rather trade Bay than Beltran.

But I doubt highly Sandy will feel the same way.

All players peak at different times and all players decline at different times. The overall less talented Keppinger or Turner in their prime, will put up way better numbers than a former All Star entering his decline.

Keppinger at 25 and just entering his prime would have provided at the very least some depth, and at a position of severe need for us. The guy we traded him for wasn’t even as good and we just cut him, got nothing for him as usual.

The answer to this teams chronic needs at multiple positions is more prospects, not less. Here was a 25 year old 2nd basemen in AAA who needed to be put on the 40 or we might lose him for nothing in the rule 5 but because we have so many 35 year old’s stashed in AAA we trade him away.

Was the Keppinger – Gotay trade really worth keeping Ramon Martinez?

who gives a saber crap about OPS+..maybe you and sandy and jessePodesta, that’s it..

great points.. is good when i come in here and find good post or replies from ppl like you.. straight to the point.. unlike some ppl who only see numbers…