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2011
There Will Be No Dream Scenario With Reyes
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Before I begin, former Mets clubhouse manager Charlie Samuels will be arrested after the NYPD concluded its investigation, but enough on that.
As Jose Reyes keeps sizzling and as this season keeps chugging along it’s now quite clear that Reyes wasn’t having a one or two week hot streak – Reyes is having the best season of his career. The timing is right for the 27 year old as this is usually when many players start to hit their peak performance levels. Of course having both hamstrings, your right calf muscle, and both Achilles tendons in perfect working order and pain-free does help.
So how are negotiations going? What negotiations? There are none. Alderson last said lets see how Jose Reyes performs this season, and Reyes said he’s not interested is negotiating during the season. Call it a game of chicken or what have you, but it is what it is, and neither side is talking – only ducking and deflecting. That can’t be good.
I won’t bore you with how Reyes ranks in the top five in the National League in about a dozen different categories because you’ve all heard it, read it, and know it. I will say Reyes is blowing Carl Crawford, Jayson Werth and Adrian Gonzalez out of the water offensively. So there’s that.
You’ll see a thousand more posts like this one between now and the end of the season when Jose Reyes becomes a free agent and has all the leverage in the world. It would seem like the worst possible way for the Mets to negotiate a deal with Reyes, because at least right now they have some leverage and bargaining power, but more important than that they have no other teams competing for him. Once Reyes hits the open market, given his age, his ability to ignite an offense, the scarcity of his position, and his apparent passion and enthusiasm for the game, you’ll have a dozen teams bidding for his services. That’s a fact.
Reyes will be the most talked about, written about, Tweeted about free agent of the winter once this season is in the books. And every single word that is written about him will find its way to your laptop, iPhone or monitor. There is no escaping it. Guys like Jon Heyman and Ken Rosenthal live for a player like Reyes to hit the open market – It’s exciting – It’s riveting – Jose Reyes hitting the open market is their wet dream.
But oh, how agonizing it will be for us - All of us.
While other teams drool over the possibility of fetching a prized shortstop, we may have to endure and put up with all those sublime and unending posts that will read “Mets Interested in Rafael Furcal” or “Mets Make Jack Wilson 2-Year Offer”. Please spare me.
Last offseason we went into the Winter Meetings needing a second baseman, two starting pitchers, a setup man and a bench. Mission accomplished… no wait, scratch that. This offseason we bring the same list only add to it a catalyst, a shortstop and a leadoff hitter.
I came across a decent article by Brian Costa in the Wall Street Journal where he said there would be no chance for a dream scenario. By that he means the Mets won’t trade Reyes for a haul of top prospects, and then re-sign him in the winter.
I don’t see that happening at all, but for a different reason.
First of all, if any team were to give up their best prospects for Reyes, it wont be for a two-month rental. They would want a negotiating window to sign him to an extension as the Phillies did with Roy Halladay and the Red Sox did with Adrian Gonzalez. So the chance of re-signing Reyes is nothing but a pipe dream or a warm drizzle of caramel on your sundae just to make you feel better.
The bottom line is that if Jose Reyes is still a Met on August 1st, he’s probably as good as gone. Why do you think they’ve been talking about the extra $50 million in payroll that will be freed up after this season? So that they could just turn around and re-invest it? Come on… You don’t really believe that - do you?
There will be no dream scenarios, no silver linings and no happy endings where Reyes and the Mets are concerned this offseason. The writing is on the wall.
About the Author: Joe DeCaro
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As Jose Reyes goes, so go the Mets. When Reyes is gone, so will the Mets. (and their fans) Nothing worth watching will be left as he is the only player they have that you would pay money to see. How many people go to games to watch David Wright or Jason Bay?
Wright? A lot actually. Granted, they tend to be the kind that also go to Justin Bieber shows, but still, thats a lot of tickets.
What is the point in paying a large sum of money to a player if he’s not going to bring you a championship?
People love yelling jose jose jose jose, but they like winning more. I enjoy Reyes who doesn’t, but a real Mets fan buys a ticket because the Mets are playing.
As I have said before, teams win Word Series without a Jose Reyes type player. Just check the World Series winners of the last 10 years. When he pops a hamstring he is gone for 3 months. Other guys come back in 4 to 6 weeks. I am not keeping Jose for his’entertainment value. I do not go to games to see him. I go to see wins. I don;t hate him, but I would not pay him the kind of coin he will ask for. And he will want a lot. If winning is your goal, he ain;t worth it.
Jdon, by being a Met fan who claims to not go to games to see Reyes play; but to see the Mets win, I be;lieve you may have created the ultimate NYM oxymoron as typically they are conjoined activities. Reyes playing = Mets’ winning or haven’t u been paying attention.
Another under-appreciated oft injued spakplug @ age 27 in 2005, was Rafael Furcal by the pitching dominant Braves. Their 10 yr reign of division dominance(’95-’05) withstood the losses of GLAVINE(’03) & MADDUX(’04); but collapsed under the loss of Furcal(’06) despite his only averaging a mere 130G/season. despite his not being a pitcher or a Jones, his loss derailed the train in Atlanta. with the Braves sinking to alsoran status in the 5 yrs hence.
How many ATL fans do u think knew they were paying to see Raffy when they thouight they were paying to see their Bravos win?
Jdon, ever consider the reason so many WS winners do so without a Reyes type is simply because there are so few Reyes types as to make bald eagles seem overpopulated.
here are certainly 3B comparable or better than Wright, SP comparable or better than a healthy Santana in ALL of their individual talents.
Like it’s said of victorious immortals in the HIGHLANDER SERIES, it should be said of Jose Reyes, “THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE!” Let’s not be Brave-ish & realize after he’s gone how much we needed him. Shurholtz & Co. were so desperate they were furious as Boras used them to up LAD’s ante for his client(Raffy) in his last F/A go-round.
“What is the point in paying a large sum of money to a player if he’s not going to bring you a championship?”
Well what makes you think trading Reyes will change the latter part of that equation?
Who makes winning a championship easier?
Reyes or Tejada? Cause think about it thats what your going to have at SS if you decide Money is worth more than Winning Games.
By saying Reyes can’t bring you a championship so get rid of him your not SOLVING your problems just creating MORE of them!
So it’s basically a battle of Business or Baseball!
Your running a Business. MONEY TRUMPS ALL!
I’m trying to run a Baseball team. WINNING TRUMPS ALL!
I can not make a baseball decision purely on money. And in Reyes’ case it shouldn’t matter because all he would be doing is replacing Beltran (who is most likely to go and off the books) as the most expensive guy on the team!
If Saving money then save it by not replacing Beltran and find a KID who has the potential to be Beltran. (Maybe Kirk!)
But to say well we can’t win with him so trade is also saying “We Might as well lose without him” too!
It is a defeatist approach Like giving away 10 Million dollars to buy lottery tickets, all because you think having 10 Mil in your pocket isn’t ENOUGH, and hope two or three of those lottery tickets will pay you back more than the 10 Mil you gave up!
Is that REALLY smart?
Think about it. If you want to get to the number 10 but only get to 5 now, Is the next SMART move to minus 5 and start over or merely to add 5 more someway somehow and let it ride while you go and try to develop something to add for the next time you need more juice?
With ALL of this HUGE $$ DEMAND conjecture surrounding Jose’s contract issue, has anyone read or heard any actual target figure from either Peter Greenberg, agent, or Reyes himself? I haven’t; but I only have access to electronic NY papers here in NC. I still do NOT believe Reyes is this avarice golddigging player who prefers being a mercenery player for top $$$ as I doubt he’d stay with Greenberg rather than switch to sure to get top $$$, Boras by now. No?
It’s all too simple, yet so very inappropriate for those, who’ve quit on this team’s future to harken back to yesteryear pre-F/A negotiations when clubs made “we lost with u, we can lose without u” judgements in today’s baseball, what one player can be that big a difference maker? Whomever, u cite, I’m certain he doesn’t bat leadoff.
so right; too few have come to the realization that Citifield with it’s vast dimensions, meadows for gaps, quirky angles for richochets & LF overhang was optimized for Reyes’ game, not Wright’s! Wright may be “THE FACE”; but Reyes is “THE SOUL” as well as heart & addrenelin.
Cheer up guys and look at he bright side. At least we picked up his $11 mil option for this season, and healed him up nicely so that he can give his new team 6-7 years of excting baseball. They say that no good deed goes unrewarded. And true enough, we have Ruben Tejada waiting in the wings.
More like 4 years on a 6-7 year contract.
See, here’s the thing with Reyes.
#1 You can’t sign him to a long term deal because he’s fun to watch or the fans like him. You just can’t. The same people who say you have to win in New York, seem to be the same people that say you have to keep Reyes to fill the seats.
You can’t have it both ways. If the Mets signed Bobby Bonilla, Milton Bradley and Carlos Zambrano today… I’d buy a ticket tomorrow just to see what happens.
#2 Jose Reyes is having a career year right now. Key phrase right now. I’m sorry for those who do not believe in a player overperforming during a contract year… but it’s no myth.
#3 Lets just say Reyes will sign today for $100m/6 yrs. That’s a huge huge gamble to take on a player who really hasn’t proven to be an elite offensive SS and his greatest skill is his speed which will diminish over the years. If this were 2005, and the Mets had a realistic hope for 06, 07 etc. it’d be a no brainer.
Can you honestly justify paying Reyes a contract he’s likely not going to earn while the team is bad?
#4 We have no idea what the payroll needs to be in 2012. No idea. We can speculate, but there really is no way for us to know until somebody with authority says so.
There’s a ton of money coming off the books with
Beltran 18.5
maybe KRod $8 (after buyout)
Castillo $6m,
Ollie P $12m
That’s $44m and change right there. But, the Mets are still without a closer, RF, and realistically maybe 2 SP slots without losing Reyes at SS.
The only way I see them signing Reyes is if they trade Wright and or Bay. Bay could potentially go, but I’d be shocked if they traded Wright…even though they should.
He’s going to be the casualty of war so to speak in this whole Minaya mess.
A few other things… if anybody thinks Reyes is going to give a hometown discount to a team in such chaos right now, when its his last and only real shot at a big contract… you’re nuts. Jayson Werth and Carl Crawford don’t get monster deals so that Reyes can give the last place Mets a hometown deal.
Lastly, I hope there is a conversation with Reyes and his agent prior to July 31. I mean, the Mets should at least find out (if they don’t already know) what it will take to sign him before he hits the open market.
It’s just ridiculous how the Mets run the team. We always have millions upon millions of dollars to spend on either frequently injured or underperforming free agents that are past or well past their prime, but nothing for our own players in their prime.
What a complete joke.
If it’s a choice between Reyes and Wright, it has to be Reyes for a lot of reasons, most importantly Flores can play 3B but not SS. Secondly by signing Reyes we could have them both for two more years. Thirdly Wrights skills are more replaceable, just look at how many 35 and over SS’s there are in the Majors right now.
I do take exception though with the term “rental.” True, Reyes could leave after a couple of months but whatever the cost to acquire him is it would be mitigated by the two early round draft choices he would leave behind so it’s not like a team would lose prospects and only get Reyes for 2 months and that’s it. Besides, someone could get him and have him for three months and a ticker tape parade as well.
2009 or 2010 was the correct time to talk extension. Too bad we were busy lavishing wheelbarrows of cash on K-Rod, Perez and Bay. That money alone would have gotten us Reyes and a starting pitcher for 5 years each.
2009 or 2010 was the correct time to talk extension. Too bad we were busy lavishing wheelbarrows of cash on K-Rod, Perez and Bay. That money alone would have gotten us Reyes and a starting pitcher for 5 years each.
Very well said.
Jess, perhps u can enlighten me as to exactly when a bonafide authorized spokesman for Reyes, indicated his contract value requirements as I’ve failed to read or hear of any. I HAVE; HOWEVER READ a never ending number of presumptions,assumptions,estimates & opinions; but not one traceable to Reyes himself. I’m afraid this is sounding similar in nature to the “experts penciling Cliff Lee imto the NYY rotation last yr at about this time.
Certainly nobody can fault Reyes for looking out for himself & his evergrowing family; but I can’t help; but believe that if his intent was to MAXIMIZE his payout; how likely is it that he’d stay represented by Peter Greenberg, whom some claim sold his arbi rights too cheaply yrs ago. Isn’t it just as logical to conclude that just as Rafael Furcal, Andruw Jones & Robinson Cano did prior to their first bite @ F/A that Reyes would have sought out Scott Boras representation?
Allowing Reyes to reach the open masrket is blatantly irresponsible.
Too many miss out on the Atlanta lesson of 2006. for 10 years ’95-’05 the Atlanta Braves dominated the NL East primarily through pitching; however that dominance withstood the losses of Glavine in ’03 and Maddux in ’04 without skipping a beat; but it was suddenly & irrevocably snapped at the loss of their “27″ yr old sparkplug SS, Furcal in the ’05 offseason. Certainly, Furcal had been injury prone through his career averaging less than 130G/Season. Just as the “BRAINTRUST IN ATL” underestimated Raffy’s contributions so too does the F;lushing Triumvirate seemed poised iupon the identical precipice. the lesson to be learned is that some players possess a combination of skills so unique as to make them irreplacable despite the depth of your farm system. If Atlanta & it’s renowned development program has been incapable of providing Furcal properties in a player @ any position over 5 years how can the Mets’ paltry dessert of a farm possibly replace that which is Reyes, CLEARLY THE MOST ESSENTIAL IRREPLACABLE MET IN FRANCHISE HISTORY.
How can I say that when my personal favorite Met was/is “THE FRANCHISE” George Thomas Seaver? Despite Seaver’s being added & subtracted twice since this franchise began. I believe one Doc Gooden certainly can be considered @ his peak, replacement grade for Seaver. Are there not a number of pitchers in MLB since 1977′s Seaver to Cincy disaster; I would submit there have been fewer Reyes types.
As to affordability, the present day payroll is approximarely $143M; by substracting Beltran & K-Rod that number deminishes to $112M which includes Reyes’ current $11M meaning that even should he get as much as $20M the net effect is only increasing that $112M to $121M. Certainly some creativity can be employed with milestone achievement bonuses to be eaerned or not; perhaps even a 3Y “mutual” opt out clause to protect the player from failed promises to improve & the team from failed expectations to perform can be implemented; regardlewss of amount or formula used to reach a satisfactory agreement. RETAINING Reyes should be Alderson’s key top priority to restructuring a team capable of actual contention by 2013(Reyes’ 30th yr).(’13 ismy guess @ earliest contention likely achieved with constyricted finances)
If I were attempting to restructure this team from a Minaya influenced .500 battler to an Aldersonized Contender, I would be prepared to build upon the curreent infield as my foundation:
DAVIS
MURPHY
REYES
WRIGHT
POSSIBLY THOLE
Any current player considered unlikely to contribute to contending in 2013 should be marketed to either improve towards that goal by building upon this foundation, or even replacing one or two with decidedly better options. BAY,BELTRAN,SANTANA,DICKEY,ISRINGHAUSEN,CAPUANO,HARRIS,HAIRSTON,K-ROD,BUCHOLTZ,BYRDAK,PELFREY,PAULINO,HU,TURNER,NICKEAS,MISCH,PAGAN,IGARASHI should all be considered “available” as none should be expected to contribute towards ’13′s drive for the POST. This time, the roster/payroll should be built intelligently by adding expensive pitching to a competitive reasonably payrolled roster. Anyone, presently on the roster aged 28+ should be considered expendable.
My 3 primary cornerstones would be Davis, Reyes, Wright replacing any with better, I consider an absolute longshot & highly unlikely.
Certainly u don’t decimate the current team all at once; but during the course of time beteween today & April 1, 2013 u stay opern for player commerce while constructing the Best minimum wage team u can surround your cornerstones with, if no ultimate glory achieved by 2015, contract the franchise, fill Citifield with as many boobirds as possible rewarding them with 72 virgins by pushing down the plunger. lol
50% of payroll should be rotational!
As long as the payroll doesn’t sink below $100M the Mets should be able to sign Reyes to a long term contract.
http://www.amazinavenue.com/2011/5/7/2158656/2012-finances-and-jose-reyes-an-analysis
Tru, the avenue’s analysis is significant; but it only highlihghts what I’ve said for sometime is the biggest no-brainer decision possible, TRADE, OFFLOAD SANTANA ASAF!(AS SOON AS FEASIBLE) With a payroll likely between 100-120M designating 25% of it to a player who, at most, effects a mere 20% of the Season’s outcomes(33GS) is absolutfreekin irresponsible to the Nth degree. Where’s the logic? Should a miracle happen & Santana actually contributed 33GS winning everyone does that alone get, what we can field for the remaining 70-80M to the Promised Land? What good is there in keeping a Miracle Santana who wins 33 if u can’y afford to supply others capable of 65-70Ws without his involvement? Just as the 85ers weren’t ready to truly capitalize on Gooden’s excellence. At the current rate of payroll deterioration, it’s unlikely this team is contending before 2013 or 2014, at which time Santana will be 34,35 yrs old making his highest annual salary 25.5M. Truly the concept of Jahan Santana, the Met Ace, was for a time that has departed with the Madoff millions.
He doesn’t have as much Leverage as you might think at the end of the year…
As long as we offer Arbitration those lost picks a bidder will have to give up will be a deterrent to giving him too much money.
Jessup it seems you think Wright and Reyes should both go…
Guess that tells me what your answer is to my reply to your other post.
Metsie, I certainly wouldn’t pay Reyes $100m to wear a uniform. I mean don’t get me wrong, I’d love nothing more than to see them hoist a trophy together but it will not happen. Reyes doesn’t exactly show signs of a player who will age well considering he’s clearly lost a step with his legs already.
Wright is a good, not great 3B.
Signing both of them when they are due for contracts will likely put them past their 33rd, 34th birthday. What has to happen for the NY Mets to win a championship between today and 6 years from now?
They need a massive overhaul of the farm system, and essentially will need re-tooling at every position except 1B and maybe 4th/5th starters.
That doesn’t happen overnight. Reyes has some value and Wright has a ton of value on a trade market. They won’t trade Wright, I’d be shocked if they did… but its the best move to make if rebuilding the farm is #1 priority
“What has to happen for the NY Mets to win a championship between today and 6 years from now?”
They need two ACE Pitchers….
Harvey could be one, Holt could but maybe not be the other.
If the latter is true go and buy one ace!
Thats really all it would take for the current team with some work to replace the loss of Beltran’s Bat!
I don’t know what David Wright is making but it would seem to make more sense to trade that guy for starting pitching and whatever else you can get to help this team and keep Reyes.
They are making a HUGE mistake if they let Reyes go and keep a choking BUM like Wright. As I said a million times replacing what Wright brings to the table is much more easier than replacing what Reyes brings despite his instances of brain-lock. I know all the chicks who like the cute WHITE guy with the dimples will be screaming but it’s about winning. Signing Reyes and moving Wright is more sensible.
Why don’t you and Jimmy knock off the racist crap?
Is Jimmy your soulmate?
Oh and the other thing I forgot to mention – let’s keep the guy who’s let the dimensions of Citi Field get into his head and move the guy who Citi Field was specifically built for.
Real smart.
Anyone who thinks David Wright is a bum is simply ignorant of baseball. Its one thing to value Reyes more because, yes, production at short stop is much harder to replace, but to make it like Wright hasn’t been one of the top 3 at his position in the NL or a perennial All Star and MVP candidate is simply ignoring the facts.
Yes it is hard to replace production at SS. But the concern has to be team production. If you upgrade at other positions you can accomodate the loss. And how much production do you need? If you get the kind of pitching you need you can win without a ton of runs. The mets should actually be looking to sign or trade for a better offensive player than Reyes, instead of over paying Reyes because the Nationals and the Red Sox were idiots this past off season.
Jdon what you say would be true if the deal you made ACTUALLY improves any other position on your team.
But the history on those deals has on almost EVERY occassion that the team that gave away the known good guy got pretty much squat for him.
I won’t cite examples as it is pretty much universally true if you look at the deals with the benefit of hindsight.
Unless you have someone who almost already or is a year away from it to replace and near equal the performance of the guy your giving away. you have given away more than you are likely to get back in return.
I am sure there is a deal or two in recorded history where this didn’t happen but they would be the RARER occurrance.
If you think you are going to rebuild this team by Trading Reyes name another .300 hitting SS we have or could replace Reyes with. Do you really need to trade a Reyes to get a better hitting OF/CF than Pagan? Would any team give you that guy for Reyes?
Say it’s Wright, Your gonna lose about .280 25HR 100 RBIs and what do you think you’ll get back for that? An Ace Pitcher? or will it be Minor MAYBES?Ace is Not going to happen dude!
Even if you did find someone to, you gave up a guy who could win 5 games a week for a guy who could win 1 every 5!
Now if they trade Wright we at least have some options. Murphy could play 3B (natural position) leaving Havens for 2B and whatever you got for Wright could help later on MAYBE if it actually turns out to be good.
The PROPER way to build a franchise is to take your time and build it properly.
Fill in where you can, Draft well and when those drafts are ready to be a core then fill in with what is needed.
So what Jessup is saying is correct how we get there may be a bit different.
If I’m going to have to pay FAs to fill in until my “BUILD FROM WITHIN AND THE DRAFT” plan is ready, I just as soon give that money to Reyes and Wright who will be mid 30′s and STILL tradeable at anypoint until the contract runs out and just get on with the business of Building a core in the Minors.
If we have Wright and Reyes we can play in the mid market where decent players who don’t cost much can be had and maybe you get as lucky on them as you think you will be trading Wright or reyes for to Lottery tickets.
But if you think trading away all the guys who are actually worth something away is going to accellerate your core build you will be pissin in the wind!
We will just get worse! Willing to sit through that for 4 years unbtil we have made enough 1st round picks to actually have a shot at a solid core youth movement?
I would if they came out and said so, but the rest of this city will not!
And the second Wright or Reyes is traded away the countdown on Sandy’s employment clock will start ticking.
Two years from that time the FO will be run out of town by the fans and the media!
I hope not but I know this town!
But you do not have to get a .300 hitting SS. That was my point. Wvery team does not have a .300 hitting SS (by the way, Reyes is NOT a .300 hitting SS and you cannot project that after all these years. We are 6 weeks into the season). You need the OVERALL production to be similar. Whether it is a shortstop, or an improving 1B, or a stud 2B, or a new CF or RF, does not matter. You just have to make sure that you get defense at SS first. If Reyes can bring in some pitching, fine. And you are right. The mets’ trades have primarily been on the negative side through their recent history. But when you have GMs like Steve Phillips, Dan Duquette and Omar Minaya making the calls, that is what you get. The Wilpons do not hire well. My basic point is that Reyes and Wright are not taking this team to any promised land. We got where we got in 2006 because Beltran and Delgado were big time. We need better players than David and Jose. David can be kept as a valuable complementary player, or maybe he can be traded too. If Reyes can bring back young, controllable pitching talent, maybe you trade or sign for bigger boppers than Wright and Reyes. I just do not think he wll be worth the money or the time. I am not saying he is a bum, just that people tend to overrate him, and forget the fact that his injuries do come, and they seem to last forever.
“Wvery team does not have a .300 hitting SS ”
PRECISELY! There aren’t many SS’ who hit the way Reyes hits!
SO keep him and you know your SS hits better than most every other team’s SS!
Yet finding an OFer who hit better than BAY (for argument sake) is rather easy and you don’t need to trade Reyes to get that!
By trading away your rare advantage (better hitting SS) to get an easy advantage someplace else you have given up performance in an area where it is hard to EQUAL or REPLACE it you not GAINING but merely treading water!
But if you leep the RARE gift and go after improving the OFer not only did you get the overall gain your looking for but didn’t have to lose any ADVANTAGE to get it!
You have to take into consideration how HARD it is to get the position you want to trade and upgrade. great hitting OFers are a dime a dozen. You don’t need a Rare commodity like Reyes at SS to get one of those!
The Dodgers tried the same thing you folks are attempting now when they traded Piazza. Trade a guy who drives your team because of MONEY! You hope to get something back that will make the whole better but ask the dodgers how that worked out!
I think you are hung up on positions, and lineups, which do not overly concern me, but that is fine. How many runs the team scores as a team concerns me more. The fact is, Reyes will want more money than he is worth. So Sandy will not re-sign him. Let’s talk about trade value. I think his going is a foregone conclusion, either at the deadline or at the end of the season.
How much is he worth Jdon?
Give me a number?
Dodgers traded Piazza for Sheffield because Piazza wasn’t worth the money.
They wound up paying Sheffield as much as Piazza wanted in the end and he was no Mike Piazza!
MONEY should not be a factor….
Not if your focus is WINNING!
The idea is to build the best team possible not the cheapest (moneyball) or the most expensive (Yankees unless that expense is getting you the Best team in baseball!
I know you guys have a bad taste for FA and contracts after the Perez and castillo fiasco but the truth is whoever you sign for this year’s money is going to be a virtual bargain compared to a lesser guy the next year who some dumb team gave a big money contract to!
Was Werth worth the money he got?
Is Crawford?
NO!
Truth is NO PLAYER is ACTUALLY worth the money they get!
Reyes is going to get a lot of money for the REASONS I stated above.
Not many SS’ can do what he does with the bat!
It is a rareity!
Your MONEY value is based on the laws of SUPPLY and DEMAND!
SS’ like reyes are high in demand and very rare!
THATS why he is getting the money he is going to get.
And I don’t disagree that Sandy will likely trade or have this fire sale you guys support.
But I am telling you if he does that he had better draft a miracle that jumps three levels in two years or Sandy will be looking for a job in 3 years!
He will not last trading away those guys without a WS appearance or win soon after!
He will get FIRED!
Is that what you want to see?
Not this year.
Bayonne: Does Reyes not choke in big spots? I think I forgot when he became so clutch?
chicks? cute WHITE guy? What is this – a 1950s high school forum?
What a degrading and insulting barb directed at female baseball fans. Not to mention borderline racist.
Just reading some of your comments I can assure you that there are tons of female baseball fans that know quite a bit more about the sport than you appear to.
Here, read this below. Maybe you’ll learn something.
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ys-forbes_most_underpaid_baseball_players_051111
so what happens when Sandy Alderson says chicks dig the long ball?
Listen, chicks was NEVER degrading when I was growing up, used every day, especially if you’re a rock music fan or in the business like i am, the word CHICKS is used all the time, and even while talking with CHICKS> people I know still use it today and if you’re a CHICK i’m gonna continue to use it.
“chicks dig the long ball?”
Actually like Corn and very small seeds!
Bayonne, maybe you were a terrific coach of young teenagers. But you are dense socially. I can’t imagine you passing your ‘values’ onto some impressionable kids. In our so called time of enlightenment, did you refer to kids by the skin appearance? You are so ‘dated’.
AND i will use Cute White Guy again too. Not that I use that term a lot for any guys lol.
Chicks, chicks, Chicks. I dig chicks too but I’m a Cute Tan Guy.
What you are, is ignorant.
Contrary to your antiquated beliefs, female baseball fans do not equal groupies.
I’m done with you on this discussion. It’s obvious the point is well beyond your comprehension level.
Just for the record White and Black are not colors, they are classified as OPAQUES!
And Chick ARE Cute!
Until you pick the fuzzy little yellow things up and they crap all over you!
You’re coming off as a slob Bayonne. Pull yourself together and get with the 21st century. We treat the opposite sex with respect these days…and some inherent racism appears to have come out as well. A shame.
People….it is totally ridiculous to speculate what will come of Jose Reyes!
There are so many scenarios and opinions out there and they are totally contingent on the financial position of the Wilpon’s. If they do not find an investor shortly then we will see a fire sale of some sort at the trade deadline. It is sad that a team with the talent that it has now other than starting pitching will not be able to go out and spend a buck on any quality free agent pitchers available.
Met fans should pray for getting the Wilpon’s to sell our team.