Starless Mets Pound Pirates With 7-3 Win

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• XtreemIcon May 30, 2011 at 10:15 pm

  Great choice for the game ball.
• Dave [Retire 31] May 30, 2011 at 10:16 pm

  I find it sad that Pagan can get three hits, and his average is only at .209. At least Tejada is looking promising.
  • Bayonne Mets Fan May 30, 2011 at 10:26 pm

    Pagan got off to a bad start then got hurt. What can you do? So what, his numbers will eventually be there
    • Des May 31, 2011 at 5:46 pm

      Agreed. Pagan is a good player who has been singled out because the Mets have had a spotty trajectory recently. Pagan is really a great (and I mean great) athlete. He has had about an .290 BA with the Mets.

      Pagan injured his left shoulder during a game at Dodger Stadium in 2008, when he fell into the stands down the left-field line after catching an Andre Ethier fly ball. The Mets tried to minimize the injury but Pagan correctly stated it had something to do with his labrum, that of the Mets wasn’t. Pagan came back and has given the Mets a lot of quality playing time in 2009 and 2010. In those two years Angel has more than one thousand PA’s.
  • XtreemIcon May 30, 2011 at 10:29 pm

    Pagan is what he is. He’ll have a hot stretch and end up at .250 or so, then level off and fginishe the year around .260 or so. Big mistake not dumping him when his value was high.
    • Bayonne Mets Fan May 30, 2011 at 10:51 pm

      No because since he’s turned his career around with the Mets in 2009 he hasn’t hit less than .290 and even hit over .300 last year in a full season so why would he finish at .260? Because you hope he does? Sorry but it doesn’t work that way, if you are to believe that he has turned the corner and has become a good hitter than he should reach his numbers of around 290 to over .300 or so.

      As a matter of fact in limited play for the Mets in 2008 he hit .275

      So why do you say he’ll probably finish around .260? Especially since he’s never hit lower than that since coming back to Mets.
      • Bayonne Mets Fan May 30, 2011 at 10:52 pm

        That last sentence should read “Especially since he’s never hit lower than .275 since coming back to Mets.”
      • XtreemIcon May 30, 2011 at 11:19 pm

        Fine, you can have your .275. 15 whole points. It doesn’t matter anyway because he has no power and a career .331 OBP. So .260, .275, it doesn’t matter. His OBP is too low to hit at the top of the order and he doesn’t have enough power to hit in the middle. So you’ve got ourself a nice, feel good story as a 4th outfielder.

        If you even thought for a second he was the player we saw last season, you’d have yourself a nice 6th hitter with good defense. But last year was clearly a fluke. He’s the 4th outfielder he always was. And not because I hope he does. Because he is.
        • Bayonne Mets Fan May 31, 2011 at 12:18 am

          yeah that’s what i thought – you said he may hit .260 even though he’s never hit .260 as a Met because you don’t like him.

          As for being a piece for the future I don’t know but he’ll probably hit what he’s hit for the Mets the last 2 years and that’s around .290 to over .300. He even looks bigger now so who knows. And after his poor start which i don’t find unusual for anybody he’s come back strong after his stint on the DL. He even looks better, you can even say this is still kind of a spring training for him.

          And oh, as for his OBP it really doesn’t matter because Pagan also has gap power and can drive in runs so if he hits around 280 or higher not only can i probably guess his OBP but if he can give us 10 HRs or so, 30 doubles or so, then he can do a lot in either the 2nd hole or the 6th hole depending how the rest of the lineup plays out. He can drive in runs too which is more important.

          Turner right now is best guess for 2nd hole so Pagan may bat 6th.

          Also forget OBP because i think the Mets are among the league leaders in that stat but doing bad with RISP. We need the RBIs, the OBP is useless without it as we see it in practice now so forget the OBP and lets focus on RBI totals. Turner is making news with his RBIs and that’s the story – nobody cares about the OBP because we can finish last with a good OBP. But if we start driving in runs like we’re supposed only then will we move up in the standings so that’s that.

          Right now this team needs Pagan. And since his return so far it looks good.
          • XtreemIcon May 31, 2011 at 8:49 am

            “but if he can give us 10 HRs or so, 30 doubles or so, then he can do a lot in either the 2nd hole or the 6th hole depending how the rest of the lineup plays out.”

            Now you’re starting to understand. Yes, if the guys get on in front of him, when he hits for extra bases, runs will score. It’s a product of the rest of the lineup, not specifically Pagan.

            And also, what’s this all about? “you can even say this is still kind of a spring training for him.”

            If this is Spring Training, then what was………..Spring Training? And the 69 ABs he had in April? When’s he finally gonna be hitting in the regular season? August?
        • Vinny B May 31, 2011 at 10:46 am

          He actually hit better in 2009 than he hit last year….so no, I don’t think last year was a fluke at all.

          And you’re skewing his numbers if you count his career OBP becuase your counting his 1st two seasons with the Cubs, that were not good – Both of those years his OBP was .306….He’s clearly a different player now than he was on the Cubs, so that’s why his career numbers to me are useless. But for his career as a Met(almost 300 games) he is hitting about .290 with around .340 OBP, which is fine because he gives you good defense and great speed.
          • XtreemIcon May 31, 2011 at 10:53 am

            Sorry, I’m not believing a 10-year pro has completly turned his career around after one good season. He played half a season in 2009. Especially since he came STORMING out of the gate this year.
            • XtreemIcon May 31, 2011 at 10:59 am

              Not to mention all the fielding and baserunning mental mistakes he made in 2009 that more than a few people didn’t want him back last season because of.
            • Vinny B May 31, 2011 at 5:25 pm

              And I’m not believing a guy who hit almost .300 the past two years, played good defense, and has great speed, is a backup.

              Last year wasn’t the only time he played good, he hit better in 2009 than he hit in 2010….sure it was a half season, but it was a very good half a season – he hit .306 in 09.

              Maybe he was playing hurt to start this year? You don’t know. And since coming back he’s hitting over .400…..
              • Donal May 31, 2011 at 5:28 pm

                I think you mean 1 1/4 year for Pagan’s last 2 seasons.

                I have no idea why 7 months negates the last 6 years, but OK.
                • Vinny B May 31, 2011 at 5:51 pm

                  No, he played 88 games in 2009, which is a half a season, and then played a full season last year.

                  I’m not gonna count Pagan’s career numbers because his 1st two years with the Cubs were bad, and he’s CLEARLY a different player now then he was then….So what his numbers were with the cubs are useless to me.

                  what I’m going to count is his numbers with the Mets – so for the Mets he’s a .288 hitter, he played good defense, and has great speed – He’s a solid major league player.
      • NYMetsfan May 31, 2011 at 7:50 am

        One good year means he turned his career around? Just like Fernando Tatis when he had a career year and won Comeback player of the year, and then followed it up with becoming a GIDP machine?

        As a Mets fan I want them ALL to succeed, but can we let them prove themselves a little more before pouring their HOF plaque.

        This guy is going to bat for Angel Pagan after ONE very good year, yet is glad David Wright is hurt………. what a clown.
        • Vinny B May 31, 2011 at 5:37 pm

          Terrible example – Fernando Tatis was 33 years old that year, and only played 28 major league games since 2003 – In 2009 Angel Pagan was 27 years old and hit over .300, and followed that up with a season where he hit .290…he’s still in the prime of his career while Tatis was at the end of this career – big difference.
          • NYMetsfan May 31, 2011 at 6:24 pm

            Ok……..I’ll buy that…….

            I don’t buy how Bayonne defends Pagan over his limited success yet is happy Wright is hurt……THAT makes no sense for someone that CLAIMS to know the game.
• Bayonne Mets Fan May 30, 2011 at 10:17 pm

  Gee 5-0, wins matter. Tejada looking very, very smooth at SS, it definitely is his natural position…and hitting too.
  • Donal May 31, 2011 at 5:34 pm

    Yes, wins by the team matter. Kind of the point of getting good players.
  • Des May 31, 2011 at 6:02 pm

    Tejada looks very smooth but he’ll never be mistaken for Jose Reyes. He has less range and a weaker arm. Reyes throws bullets to 1B. Comparatively, Tejada throws lollipops which means that even if goes into the hole, he doesn’t have Jose’s arm to complete all the plays at 1B. Ruben’s arm is OK, but he can’t do what Jose can.

    I’ve noticed that Ruben is recently making better contact when batting. But I haven’t seen enough physical strength to really belt the ball with consistency. He’s gotten a bunch of Craig Counsell hits. He’s hit ‘em where they ain’t but that won’t be good enough over the long haul. He’s still a work in progress.
    • Bayonne Mets Fan May 31, 2011 at 6:48 pm

      How do you know he has less range? How do you know that? By one game?

      And how do you know he won’t become a better fielder at SS than Reyes if he’s not already? Nobody said he’ll ever hit like Reyes but even though he’s new and still learning I think he’s already smarter than Reyes and won’t make bone-headed infield plays like Reyes.

      You’re not objective at all so you’re analysis is based on prejudices most of the time anyway and you’ve “allegedly” watched baseball since the days of the Brooklyn Dodgers so if you haven’t learned to be honest in your assessments by now you never will. You’re simply not an honest person.

      Reyes has a great arm no doubt but I’m sure there have been great SS on winning teams who don’t have to have great arms but be tremendous fielders, maybe like Buddy Harrelson? I don’t know how the arms were for Mark Belanger or Phil Rizzuto but i think accuracy and intelligence accounts for something.

      You call them Craig Counsel hits but they’re still hits. I have a feeling if it was someone you liked you wouldn’t have said that. Hits are hits and while I don’t expect Tejada to stay at .300 NOW he is without a doubt already hitting better than last year. That is a fact.

      This is year 2 of a work in progress so what the hell is wrong with you. This is just like last year when you KEPT ON SLAMMING IKE DAVIS on this board on a daily basis when he simply was a rookie who is learning and he still is. You kept on saying silly things like “Well if Ike doesn’ learn to do this and if Ike doesn’t learn to do that” And I kept thinking how dumb is this guy to not recognize well of course the kid has to learn these things. And some of us could just tell in this case that Ike would learn. He’s learning all right and if he didn’t get hurt was on his way to a 35-40 HR year already in his 2nd season.

      How old are you? Aren’t you supposed to know by now you judge rookies as they develop?
      Tejada is without a doubt hitting better and big deal if a couple are of the cheap variety – I see improvement and evidently – so do the Mets.

      He may go down again but he is getting better
• Met Maniac May 30, 2011 at 10:19 pm

  Willie Harris 0-5?? Now btting .215 and he left 4 men on base in the game. Why is he still even here?

  But on a positive note, the Mets won a game without their one true leader and MVP Jose Reyes. Justin Turner is starting to look like the real deal! He is unstoppable! Thanks Omar!
  • XtreemIcon May 30, 2011 at 10:23 pm

    Harris never should have been here. I hate that signing and hate even more that despite his epic failures he’s still here.
  • NYMetsfan May 31, 2011 at 7:43 am

    Thanks Omar? What a funny guy………….
• Mr North Jersey May 30, 2011 at 10:41 pm

  Nice win.

  Gee pitched great. 7 innings 3 runs 8 k’s 0 walks. and his ERA is under 4.00. Solid pitching from Gee.

  Turner & Murphy looking good as well.

  Justin Turner over his last 10 games: 41/AB 14/H 8/RBI .341/BA
  Daniel Murphy over his last 10 games: 38/AB 16/H 5/RBI .421/BA

  Last but not least Ruben Tejada albeit a small sample size he has held his own at the plate overall while providing solid glove in the field.

  Coming into the game Tejada was hitting .265/BA and with his 3 for 4 raised his BA 51 points (That’s what happens with small sample sizes) to .316/BA

  Good game.

  Lets Go Mets
• Midwestern Met May 30, 2011 at 11:56 pm

  Mets bast the Pirates back to the Caribbean. Read all about the offensive explosion at Midwestern Met: http://tiny.cc/gdcbz
• Dan May 31, 2011 at 12:55 am

  Is it just me or are we one of the biggest surprises this season. People had us written off before the season even started and were playing close to .500 baseball. with what we had coming in I was praying to be around 500 ball and so far its kind of working out and we can be in a very good position cause we’ve played about .500 ball with Davis and Wright out, now imagine them in the line up add a healthy Johan add some arms to the pen and rotation we can compete for a wild card spot. It will be difficult yes but Terry has had us playing OK baseball through all these injuries and what not so he can lead us through the good.
  • Lou May 31, 2011 at 8:23 am

    a good win yes but not as rosy as you think. Pirates are 24-28 and the Mets 25-28. We beat a team on par with us, however we play poorly against plus 500 teams, like the Braves, Philly. The Cubs embarrsed us in the last series. Now the positive, we can see a glimpse of the future in Tejada, Turner, Pridie, Gee, Niese, Thole and Davis and the rest of the guys if we lose Reyes and Beltran. Another point. If BAY didn’t collapse on us and hit like he did in Boston we would be a lot closer to first than last so if he breaks out it would be our only shot at a wild card.
• jdon May 31, 2011 at 5:05 am

  Looks like Ike won’t be back any time soon. Or David.
• sarge May 31, 2011 at 12:13 pm

  I did not give us too much chance to wing this game when I saw the lineup, Harris leading off, sheesh Terry where did that bit of imagination come from.

  Mets showed me last night that they are a scrappy bunch and yes these are your parents Pirates but they have a winning record on the road and the Morton kid had been pitching great lately so I wouldn’t say that this is a mediocre team.
  This kind or pitcher would give Mets problems in past but with a young group of hitters, Thole, Angel, Turner, Tejada hitting at the same time it makes it easier to take the lost of David and Ike for awhile.
  Awesome game by Gee, just what I expected from him
  • Russell Zanca May 31, 2011 at 12:24 pm

    Pirates are improved from last year, but a complete no-name team again.

    I was most impressed that we rocked their “untouchable” reliever.

    My hope would be the 2011 Mets make the playoffs, but barring a miracle, this won’t happen. However, no reason we cannot finish .500 or a few games above; would be huge for us this season.

    And by all means, build the future around Reyes!