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2011
Matt Harvey Slammed In Worst Game As A Pro
An article by Hojo's Mojo
One night after Bobby Ojeda sang the praises of 2010 first-round pick Matt Harvey, the right-hander suffered his worst outing as a pro. Harvey allowed a first-inning grand slam, a two-run homer in the third inning, and before he could get out of the fourth-inning he had given up a total of seven earned runs.
His final line was as follows: 3.2 IP, 7 H, 8 ER, 7 H, 1 BB, 3 K, 1 HBP.
Shake it off kid.
Original Post 5/10 – Bobby O Says Matt Harvey Could Help Mets This Season
Tonight during the Geico Postgame Show on SNY, Bobby Ojeda was asked how the Chris Young injury impacts the rotation going forward.
“Obviously this is a devastating blow to the rotation, you could say he was the Mets best starting pitcher this season. Now they will have to turn to Dillon Gee who has done an outstanding job for the Mets so far. Throw him out there and see what he can give you.”
He then switched gears and said, the Mets have two pitchers in the minors who could probably help this team at the major league level. One of them he said was Mark Cohoon who is pitching in Binghamton. “Solid pitcher, good stuff, could probably make the jump and handle it okay.”
He then said, “but the best option the Mets have is their 2010 first round pick, Matt Harvey. He’s 23 years old and they have him pitching at St. Lucie, he’s too old to be down there and too good. Why the hell are they letting him pitch in St. Lucie for? He’s a big college kid and very refined. ”
Actually, Matt Harvey is still 22, so he misspoke there, but the rest of his argument was very compelling.
The big right-hander hails from the University of North Carolina and has been absolutely dominating at Class A St. Lucie, where he has a 4-1 record and 1.10 ERA in six starts, while striking out 10.7 batters per nine innings.
Ojeda also said, “Harvey has overpowering stuff and great control, they should have started him at Binghamton and by now he would probably be knocking on Buffalo’s door and then the Mets soon after that. And by they way, this is not rushing him. Harvey should be in Double-AA being challenged and he’s good enough to move through the system this season at an accelerated pace and he wouldn’t be the first pitcher ever to do that.”
In a way I’m pretty excited to hear a savvy veteran like Bobby Ojeda speak so confidently about how good Harvey is and his enthusiasm and argument for moving him up was very surprising and caught me off guard.
I have a lot of respect for Bobby O, and I look forward to seeing how the Mets handle Matt Harvey as the season wears on. One look at his numbers does indicate that Ojeda is probably right about having Harvey start the season in Binghamton rather than St. Lucie.
I wonder if anyone in the front office was tuned in to SNY and listening to Bobby Ojeda tonight?
I will add this, another injury to a starting pitcher would really mean dire straits for the Mets and they will most likely have to turn to one of their pitching prospects. Unless of course they make a trade for a starting pitcher. D.J. Carrasco is pitching terribly since being demoted to Buffalo and that 2-year deal he signed is starting to look like a waste of money.
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anybody agree better start writing their apologies for the never ending blasts on the Minaya/<anuel guys for the so-calledMejia screw up. Compelling argument, after you all fell in love with Sandy's law of not rushing a guy. What a joke. If it happens andhe's ruined I'm sure it will be Omar's fault. lol.
Bobby O is a studio analyst. He has no desicion making roll with the Mets what so ever, so I have no idea what you are saying.
You better start taking your meds on a more regular basis.
When did Bobby O. say that Harvey was an option to be a member of the New York Mets starting rotation in 2011?
He said it after the game when they did their recap show on SNY.
another young pitching talent for us to screw up.
Yeah Bobby said it but that doesn’t make him right!
Under NO CONDITION should we rush a AA player to the Majors to make up for a lack of starters!
Especially when we filled our rotation with guys we knew had a very high potential to not make it through the season.
They should simply let Gee be the 5th Starter give Capuano a semi-promotion that he has seemingly showed is deserved and fill the open Pen spot with a TRUE reliever so that Misch can go back to Buffalo and keep sharp and extended so if Capuano or someone else is felled by Injury we don’t have to worry about dipping into AA to get a starter!
I don’t want to see Harvey or Holt until September when the rosters go to 40 and you might want to give them a taste of the MLB at a time when it probably can’t hurt us.
No need to rush we aren’t competing for anything at this point and there is no way Harvey is going to make up all those games behind and more likely to ruin him and put us in a deeper hole.
Let Gee pitch already! He has done a fine job so far! Maybe if he continues you can trade Gee and some of these other guys we can’t use for an even better pitcher!
I’ve blogged this before, I’ll do it again. Harvey needs this year to split between Hi A and AA, next year is AA to AAA. THAT is the fast track for this kid. He will be ready for the bigs in 2013. To rush him up here this year for no good reason, would be a disgrace, and something I would expect from Omar and Manuel.
Is Bobby O off the wagon again?
Why is he off the wagon???? Tim Lincecum was signed on July 1 2006 and debuted May 1 2007 in leass than a year.
Did the Giants rush him or did Lincecum force their hand as Harvey is doing in Single-A.
As a matter of fact, in spring training I said Harvey should be in AA by May 15 and BBuffalo by August 1 and possibly a September callup. I still stick to that because Harvey is that good. We are not talking about a bun like Mike Pelfrey or Eddie Kunz here. This pitcher has the goods.
I’m sorry I missed Ojeda last night, but the truth is he knows more about pitching and Matt Harvey than any poster on this site or any other baseball site.
You just cannot compare a kid who dominates in A+ in his first 6 starts to a 2 time Cy Young award winner and say because the Cy young winner could do it so can the kid. Is it possible? Yeah but just remotely possible.
Lincecum wasn’t up here in his first professional season anyway. Lincecum also was striking out almost half the hitters he faced. That’s outer worldly, hence the nickname.
Rushing yet another in a long long line of prospects up here to address the failure of the previous regime to develop any high end answers would far more likely result in Harvey becoming skittish around the plate, not develop his stuff to the point where he can trust it.
Harvey is just now starting to face the same lineup a 2nd time. This is a crucial building block in a pitchers foundation. Hitters make adjustments to pitchers, pitchers make adjustments to hitters. This step can not be bypassed.
Everyone knows that the unknown pitcher has the advantage the first time around. Let’s see how he does a second and even a third time through each team. That experience will serve him really well when he gets up here.
If things go well as I expect I’d give him a couple starts in AA in August, start him there in 2012 with a potential mid season bump to Buffalo.
If everything is going really well I’d start him in Buffalo in 2013 and if off to a good start bring him up in June.
Once in a generation you get a Lincecum or Gooden who defy the odds. It’s not realistic to expect there to be very many guys like that and the downside of rushing him is unforgiving.
The only reason anyone would consider Harvey in the Majors this year is because of the lack of top shelf starting pitching in our system ready right now. That issue cannot be corrected by risking one of the solutions we should have from 2013-2020. It would be a tremendous set back and just isn’t worth the risk.
At some point we have got to get to the position where prospects are pushing the GM, not the other way around. That’s when we’ll know we’re ready to challenge the Phillies and Braves.
yeah but at the time Lincecum was brought up from the minors he wasn’t a 2-time Cy Young award winner.
I would think the results in tonight’s game would temper your enthusiasm for rushing yet another unprepared young player up to the big leagues.
nah, i don’t second guess. Today is May 10th. See me in June
Lincecum had a 14.9 K rate in just 13 starts. Harvey has a 11.0 K rate in 6 and it’s gone up three straight games. Struck out 9 in 6.2 innings in last start I think. He’s gaining on Lincecum.
agee, if you recall back in early March, I spoke extensively about Harvey and how refined he was and how he took his lumops in college and suffered adversity and kept adjusting and getting better. Maybe by chance you will remember before spring training games even started when I said he’d be rising fast because he is that polished.
Ya, but you say a lot of silly things. This is merely an example.
I do remember Maniac. You even provided a link of some video. You were right, he does look really good. I just want him to be ready when he gets here. Let him push the FO, not the other way around.
There are very few pitching prospects that can withstand taking short cuts. This team has way too many deffencies to take any of thos kinds of chances, and for what? To get 3rd or 4th place? Not even close to being worth the risk.
Lincecum struck out 104 out of 236 minor league hitter he faced. Harvey 39 out of 129 none above A+.
At some point this organization and it’s fans should start to look at what is most likely, not just the best case scenario. It is most likely that Harvey is NOT a future 2 time Cy Young award winner and therefore shouldn’t be compared to one during his development. If it becomes more and more likely through demonstrated success, then we could consider that possibility but not after just 6 starts in A+.
One other thing to consider is Lincecum was drafted signed and started his first professional game all in the same season. Harvey didn’t. Harvey was drafted last June and didn’t throw his first professional pitch until ST this year. Lincecum was already in mid season form when he started his career.
Sometimes it’s worth taking a chance, this isn’t one of them.
I’ll try to answer that question.
It is one thing to saw through everyone at Hi-A then get promoted and saw through everyone at A or AA and in one season did it almost every outing for a full (or at least half) a season.
He has been good but he has not actually breezed through his outings. Very Impressive yes but it’s not like he really is in a different league than the guys he is beating. It has to be consistent before you put the pressure on him.
I have no problems if they promote him to a higher MiL but at this point we should not throw this kid to the wolves in a season that isn’t even close yet!
Ask me again in July after he has been promoted and continued his success.
Bobby O once again demonstrating why he is in the studio, where desicions are not made, and not actually running a team.
Hey if the kid is a special talent and he could do it, then bring him up. I’m with Bobby O.
What would be the reason for “rushing” Harvey? Is Matt Harvey going to lead us into the playoffs? Will Matt Harvey develop faster in the major leagues than pitching in Bingham. or Buffalo? Will having Matt Harvey on the roster ensure a 4th place finish?
What’s the rush?
yeah really what’s the rush.this team doeasn’t seem to be going anywhere.no sense of bringing a kid up to play on a losing team.no one benfits.
What’s the use in rushing him if, in July, the Mets are still 7-9 games out and under .500? The Mets should not rush him. Let him prove himself in AA the 2nd half of this year with a possible late promotion to AAA and see how he performs. If he dominates AA and does OK in AAA then, by all means, give him a chance to earn a big league rotation spot in 2012. You see what happened in rushing Jenrry Mejia, who reached the Majors before his 21st birthday. Take time to make sure he’s really ready before bringing him up, that’s all I’m saying.
Has Harvey even thrown a change-up this year?
He might be getting by in High-A with just fastball command at this point.
That said, he clearly has nothing to learn from FSL hitters anymore, and its time for him to be challenged in the Eastern League.
You know who else dominate the Florida State League in a handful of starts? Mike Pelfrey.
Ya, we can wait a little while.
I think it’s time to employ a little “what would Omar do” and then do the opposite. Yeah that might work.
Forget that. I want to see Harvey throwing nothing but cutters for one inning every 17 games. Thats how this team is going to win long term.
I don’t mean to sound mad, but…. What was in Bobby O’s coffee the other day LOL.
But seriously, Matt Harvey is going to need a year or two before the Mets should really consider calling him up. By calling him now, would be the stupidest decision Sandy Alderson has made since he joined on as GM of the Mets. Yes, i may be going “Greg Pomes” on everyone here, but i really hope that it doesn’t happen.
OK, now that he got shelled, will the band wagon jumpers and delusional ones shut up about him and move on to the next flavor of the week?
Leave the kid alone and let him develop.
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It’s a good character builder for him…you don’t want the first game he struggles in to be at the AA, AAA, and especially not the MLB level. This is a good thing for his progression. Let’s see how he reacts in his next start.
He looked more like Paul Harvey.
Good day