Barajas hit a go-ahead HR in the 9th inning,off Cordero. And hit a walk off HR. Blanco hit a walkoff HR the next day, and Thole hit a walkoff HR too.

If they were able to hit FOUR, in a SEASON, Wright should be able to have more than 5 or 6 in his CAREER. He’s been playing for 8 seasons, so he’s had plenty of opprotunites.

Stop worrying about my “defintion” of clutch. You know what, just forget the word clutch for now….This is about how many BIG hits he has in his career. Like Driving in the winning run, or the tying run late in the game, walkoff hits, ect – THAT’S what I want to know, how he hits in those situations, and I don’t think he hits well in those spots. And none of you have proven that he does hit good in those spots.

And you still don’t see why your postition is untenable?

Extreem gave me what I already knew. I knew Wright could get hits early in games against bad teams.

And you? you all you proved is that Wright didn’t have many clutch hits, because all your doing is avoiding my questions!

That’ll get you far.

After having this discussion, think it’s obvious that wright isn’t a clutch hitter. Since you all think he’s a clutch hitter, I asked all of you to give me the clutch hits in his career, and you didn’t answer, Xtree, gave me hits he got when the season was pretty much over, and hits very early in games against bad teams – that was NOT what I was looking for.

And t agee gave 5 or 6 examples of him being clutch, but the problem with that was he’s been playing for 8 years, two close playoff races, and one playoff apperence and that’s all he’s got? 5 or 6 in 8 years? That doesn’t sound very clutch to me.

Nope, you give vague examples.

“So I know if i’m gonna try again, whatever I say isn’t going to be good enough for you, so why don’y YOU define it for me?”

Because you just dismiss it. Why waste my time?

“According to ExtreemIcon, the AB in the first inning against Arizona was a “high leaverage situation.” But so would be the AB against Rivera in 06. That’s very flawed because the AB against Rivera was in a MUCH bigger spot than the one against Arizona. ”

Why? What is the scale?

” So why do they count as the same? Aren’t some high leverage situations HIGHER leverage siuations than others?”

Oh, ya, there is a scale. The problem for you is, its more complicated than “clutch or not”

According to ExtreemIcon, the AB in the first inning against Arizona was a “high leaverage situation.” But so would be the AB against Rivera in 06. That’s very flawed because the AB against Rivera was in a MUCH bigger spot than the one against Arizona. So why do they count as the same? Aren’t some high leverage situations HIGHER leverage siuations than others?

But you still haven’t defined “clutch”. You are just declaring various random scenerios “clutch” and then accusing of us just labeling something when in fact there are specific parameters that a situation must meet before being labeled as high leverage.

An AB in the 1st inning against Arizona isn’t a high pressure AB. But an AB against one of the best closer’s of all time, and you have the winning run on base, THAT’S a high pressure AB. Do you realize how different those two situations are?

Do you understand why that makes you a hypocrite?

The double he hit off Rivera was a clutch hit, the go ahead HR off Codero was a clutch HR, and the hit the other night against the Marlins was too – that’s the kind of hits I’m talking about. Your talking about HR’s he hit when the season was pretty much over, and hits very early in games agaisnt some of the worst teams in the league – there’s nothing clutch about that.

Since I went a rattled off eight or nine clutch hits Wright had last year in only the span of two months, why don’t you be a dear and do a little research and find someone, anyone, just one person respected in the game who can be quoted as defining “clutch” and grace us with that person’s definition. Not just the quote, also the link to it.

A clutch AB is going to be a very high pressure AB. Being down 3-0 in the first against Arizona isn’t really a high pressure situation. A high pressure situaion MOST of the time will be late in the game with the game on the line, and if it’s late in the season and your still in it, the season will be on the line too. Sure there are some high pressure AB’s early in the game. Like the other night against PHI. But the majority of high pressure AB’s will be late in the game.

It’s unbelievable how precise I have to be with the words I chose, because if I’m not, it will get turned into something else. Like what your saying about the AB against the Cubs. OF COURSE it was a clutch AB. Everyone knows that. Your making it sound like I’m saying it’s only a clutch AB if it’s the last game of the season, which is not what I meant, and you know that too.

If it’s a hit in high pressure situation, which would most of the time be late in the game, then it’s a clutch hit. Got it? And a lot of those hits you gave me were not hit in high pressure situaions.

That’s what I like to call “XtreemIcon doesn’t know how to read.”

Folks, that little skit is what I like to call “There is No Such Thing as Clutch.” No one can define it. The “close and late” stat? Pure garbage. It’s a “close and late” plate appearance if you’re down by five in the bottom of the ninth with two outs and come up with the bases loaded. You can hit the ball a million miles, still not win or even tie the game, and it counts as “clutch.” However, Vinny seems to think that clutch hits only take place when……what was his quote? “…with the game or the season on the line.”

And that’s obviously not true. We all know clutch hits can come at all times. I mean, Wright gets killed for leaving Murphy at third base, but we all know both the game AND the season wasn’t on the line there. When Wright struck out, was the game over? No, that was only the first out. And there was another inning left! And correct me if I’m wrong, but that wasn’t game 162, was it? I mean, if the Mets had won some games after that game, could they have still made the playoffs?

So according to Vinny, we can no longer blame Wright for that one, because it wasn’t a “clutch” situation.

Or, we can do the logical and smart thing. We can keep stats on plate appearances of which the outcome has a huge impact on deciding the game. So if you’ll excuse me, I’m gonna call that PA against the Cubs a high leverage situation, and I’m also gonna call the two-run single Tuesday high leverage, as well, even though it was the third inning. It was a huge hit. Similarly, when the Mets are in a real early hole, like say 3-0 in the first inning, and Wright homers the Mets right back into the game, I’m gonna go ahead and call that a big hit in a big spot.

It’s just the right thing to do.

I don’t have a dog in this fight. I never said he was or wasn’t clutch but I am sick of hearing him blamed when no one else every is for 2007 and 2008 especially when he did hit well in Aug and Sept of those years.

One thing I would point out though is that he has less chances due to us having so many holes in the lineup and so many 1-2-3- innings from the bottom of the order costs him AB’s.

If you moved any hitter into Boston’s lineup they would have more clutch hits simply due to opportunity, conversely if you moved many hitters into ours, they would have less opportunities during the last couple of years at least.