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2011
Should The Mets Trade Reyes To The Angels For Trout?
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Now this is complete speculation on my part but with all the trade rumors buzzing, especially after the Mets slow start, it hit me, why not trade Reyes to the Angels for speedster prospect Mike Trout? He would be absolutely perfect for Citi Field. He covers a lot of ground in the outfield, blazing speed and is only 19.
Ever since the Angels let Chone Figgins walk in the 2009 off season, the Angels have lacked the spark they once had at the top of the lineup. Reyes could be that guy for them if the time comes that it is necessary for the Mets to trade him.
Yes, Mike Trout could become that spark plug for the Angels, but he likely will not be major league ready until 2012-2013. If the Mets come to the point where they trade Reyes, they will likely be in rebuilding mode; the perfect way to allow Trout to ease his way up to the majors. The Angels are not in a “win now” scenario, but acquiring Reyes could put them there.
The Mets could have drafted Mike Trout in 2009 but decided to sign closer Francisco Rodriguez instead. With Billy Wagner out recovering from Tommy John surgery and the club suffering their second straight September collapse, Minaya signed K-rod overpaying monetarily and with their first-round pick. Looking back, especially after the incident at Citi Field in 2010, it probably would have been in the Mets best interest long-term to keep their first round pick instead of signing K-rod.
As we know, Reyes is performing at the top of his game right now. He has 23 hits, six stolen bases and a .315 batting average in the first 16 games of 2011. With the team at a dismal 5-11 record to start the year and Reyes showing signs of old, the possibility of him being moved is becoming more and more likely.
If Reyes continues to perform at the level he is now, a prospect at the tier of Mike Trout may not be out of the question in order for Reyes to be acquired before the July 31st deadline.
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Clayton, a Long Island native and die-hard Mets fan, started writing online about three years ago. He is currently a Journalism major with a minor in Broadcasting at Seton Hall University. Although very disappointed with the current state of the team, Clayton remains hopeful that the young prospects in the farm system will bring the Mets back to a respected franchise in baseball once again. Besides writing for MMO, Clayton is also a staff member at 89.5 WSOU, Seton Hall's modern active rock radio station. You can contact Clayton by following him on Twitter: @Clayton_Collier or E-mailing him at MaybeNextYearMets@yahoo.com
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Bwahaha! Yes, of all teams, the Mets are “perfect” for “easing along” young prospects. Get outta here, this is a horrible idea.
Why would it be a terrible idea to bring in someone capable of 200 hits, 50 SBs .300+ avg, 300 TB 30-40 doubles and 10-15 triples and not to mention covering alot of ground in the outfield.
Citi field isnt a haven for power hitters. It is a haven for people like Reyes and Pagan. Speedsters and base stealers, which is what Mike Trout is.
And I did not say the Mets are perfect for Trout. I said Trout is perfect for Citi Field. Nor did I say that the Mets itself are perfect for easing along young talent because I know they are not. I said that teams in rebuilding mode are good for easing along young talent becuase there is no pressure to make an immediate impact on a club looking to compete.
Well, I can see your point. But what if he isn’t?? What if he turns out to be a wash??? Why would you trade a superstar?? A cornerstone. No, if I was going to trade Rayes (and I’m totally against the idea anyway),I’d trade for a good starting pitcher. Good top of the rotation guy. I don’t want to trade him or Wright, but if it happened I’d be getting my bang for the buck, or no trade at all. Personally if the Mets start rebuilding thats fine. Keep Thole, Rayes, Wright, Davis, Niese. Shell or trade everyone else!!!! Build around them.
I believe that Reyes will be handled similarly to how Alderson handled Rickey Henderson while in Oakland. Alderson traded Henderson then resigned him once his contract expired either at the end of that season or the end of the next season. I dont remember for sure. But the point is I believe Reyes will be traded, then have a strong push made to sign him this winter. Whether he will be a Met in 2012 remains to be seen.
And Yes Trout would be a risk, but so is any other prospect, if it comes to losing Reyes, would you rather have one of the most promising young talents in professional baseball or a first round pick that is much more likely than Trout to end up a bust. I would say it would be better to get Trout.
Trout’s the target. Trout PLUS Segura and someone else. because Jose returns two # 1 draft choices if you don’t resign him so it’s that or forget it. Unless hopefully we’ll resign him our selves.
Yes Agee! I was waiting for you to put your two cents in on this. I was hoping you’d comment when I wrote this haha
I figured you were thinking of me Clayton. Thanks man. The real shame though is we could have had Reyes AND Trout. Wasting those #1 draft choices every year. Tell me K-Rod for 36-54 million backing up Redding, Maine and Ollie? What kind of a freakin rotation is that?
Why give up your #1 pick for a closer when your starting rotation is so bad and there are players like Mike Trout out there who’ll be here for 6-10 years at an average salary of 2-5 Mill per year?
Geez. The lost opportunities this team always finds a way to seize. Makes you sick to your stomach.
As I mentioned further down. The Angels would have selected Trout and passed on Grichuk if they only had one slot. Fact. No need to be sick to your stomach. Now if Grichuk becimes a stud, go ahead and break out the large pepto– if you have left after watching frankie.
I think priority number one is to trade Beltran. Im planning on writing an article about it. Since we will get absolutely nothing in return for him I see no advantage in keeping him. Bay Ike and Wright can suffice if we by some miracle end up competing down the stretch.
Anyway, I know, could you imagine a lineup with Reyes Pagan and Trout? that’d be incredible.
I wonder what 2009 would have been like without k-rod. Maybe Feliciano would have closed?
LOL. And Segura? Maybe for Segura. Trout is untouchable. Period. Jose returns only one pick. An extra pick. But drafting is a crapshoot so why hold a draft position in such high regard? Nonsensical.
Jose returns two picks. The signing teams pick and a supplemental. Most likely that signing teams pick would be in the first round #18-32 and the supplemental # 33-45 or so. There is a chance the signing teams pick could be protected meaning the exchanged draft choice would most likely be # 45-60 but that is unlikely as Reyes would probably sign with a better team than a worse one.
Three months of a terrific player at an area of need for the Angels and the inside track on signing Reyes long term or two high draft choices. Either way they can’t lose unless they fell out of the race after acquiring him.
Why is the draft choice so lowly valued by you? After all that is how the Angels got Trout in the first place.
“Why is the draft choice so lowly valued by you? After all that is how the Angels got Trout in the first place.”
That’s pretty much how every team gets players minus int’l free agents. Don’t get your point.
“and the inside track on signing Reyes long term or two high draft choices.”
Teixeira (sp?). Inside track goes to highest bidder.
Not if he loves your offer, team and city. Then he accepts and takes himself off the market….before the end of the season. Never even hits free agency.
Angels would never ever make this trade for one year of Reyes.
Never.
They have alot of money left over from losing out on trying to get Crawford and Beltre and Lee. Angels are looking to spend money so it is possible they could trade for him then extend his contract.
They spent their $ on Wells. Payroll is already at $138 million.
You are way off base here
It is a hypothetical article. Like if we traded Reyes for Jon Lester or something like that.
And that has nothing to do with what you posted. The Angels are not looking to spend money.
That’s what your missing. It’s not one year. Actually it’s half a year but could easily turn into 5 or 6 years without the loss of a #1 draft choice OR it’s 2 #1 draft choices in their pocket, PLUS 3 months of a terrific player at a huge area of weakness for some of their current prospects. The vast majority of ML All Stars come from the first and 2nd round (or IFA market) and the worst that could happen is they get to select two more of the best 60 amateurs in the whole country and get 3 months of a great player.
The LAA have the 2nd highest attendance in the AL, they have lost salary during the last few years, Lackey, Figgins, K-Rod, Vlad, Glaus, Cabrerra, Anderson, Erstadt. They may have added some but they have plenty to spend and the idea of Reyes would be perfect for them, but I’d push Wright their way long before Reyes.
This shouldn’t even be a question. This is one of those “Without a second thought” kind of moves. However, we can probably get more out of the deal. I’d see if the Angels would add Hank Conger to the deal. A young switch hitting catcher that has been compared to Victor Martinez, and for years, David Wright. Very disciplined, hits for average, power, and not bad behind the plate from what I’ve read about him.
Also, we didn’t lose out on Trout. Trout was acquired as a supplemental pick in the Mark Teixeira deal. The guy we lost was a guy by the name of Randal Grichuk.
We still could have signed him with the first round since he had made it to the supplemental pick
Grichuck was actually taken with the pick we forfeited for K-Rod at #24 of the first round. Trout was taken one spot later at #25 with the pick the NYY forfeited for signing Texeira.
Trout would have been there for us if we had a pick and if we wanted him. No guarantee that we wouldn’t have selected yet another in a long line of slot selection busts but when you sit back and examine what has worked for us (trading prospects to the Marlins when they hold fire sales for instance or signing or drafting guys like Reyes, Wright and Davis) and compare those results to signing guys like Wagner, K-Rod, Pedro, Bay, Schowenweiss, Mota, Castillo, Perez, Alou you have to come to the conclusion that we get better production for far less money with our own guys, and we have many many more options because of having those guys in our farm. There are no options with Bay other than to hope he produces.
If we had any available options at 2B or starting pitching we wouldn’t have signed Castillo or Perez to those contracts, wouldn’t have put Murphy in LF, wouldn’t have resigned and counted on El-Duwue at his age, wouldn’t have wasted 11M on Schowenweiss and 5 M on Mota and lost all the games they cost us.
Grichuck and Trout were both high school players, enticed to give up college offers and start their career’s with a little extra cash over and above what their “draft slot” called for. That’s how teams get guys with the best talent. That’s how the Red Sox get a guy like Bard and we get a guy like Parnell. That’s the difference.
Come on, be serious. You really think we’d trade Trout AND Conger for Reyes???
Reagins would be fired on the spot if that happened. That’s a trade we used to make in the old days, before getting wise as a franchise.
“Reagins would be fired on the spot if that happened. That’s a trade we used to make in the old days, before getting wise as a franchise.”
Tony Reagins + “getting wise” = You needing to wake up.
Granted the Kazmir deal and maybe the Wells deal were both highly questionable. He did also trade Kotchman for Teixeira and turned one of the 2 draft picks for losing Teixiera to FA into Trout, and also swung the Haren deal. Hunter was also a good FA signing, granted he’s starting to decline late into the contract. Abreu in 2009 was a good signing, and the re-signing in 2010 was decent.
I don’t think Reagins is a bad GM. He got fooled by Mathews Jr. but that could happen to anyone. He stood his ground on Beltre, got the bargain of all bargains on Vlad, drafted Trout and Grichck, got really unlucky with Kazmir, not to mention the young pitcher.
I’ll never understand his thinking on Wells but at least he doesn’t have to rely on fire sales from division rivals to produce all his playoff appearances.
reagins was not responsible for matthews, but stoneman was. dumbest signing of all time for the Halos. Stoneman was also responsible for Vlad and Beltran. And other good and bad signings and non-signings/trades. I cant knock him too much because he focused on our farm system and brought a World Series however improbable it was.
Trout was there to be taken by us if we kept our draft choice and Randal Grichuk is considered to be a terrific prospect as well. These two picks #24 and #25 will be akin to Figgins in CF and Anderson in LF for years to come for the Angels.
For a team that hasn’t developed it’s own Left fielder since Cleon Jones and only Wilson, Dykstra, Payton and Pagan in CF in 50 years to be forking over their 1st and 2nd round draft choices every year is a joke.
At best the free agent does the heavy lifting for 3 years regardless of how many he signs for. Many of them don’t do **** at all. They tie up roster spots, hamstring the payroll, cost you the chance of getting your own top shelf talent that will be here for years, in it’s prime and only come here for the big money last contract and we’ve gone that route for every need for two solid decades now and the reason we have had to do that is because we never develop any of our own high ceiling talent.
Having those high ceiling prospects in your farm system provides you with lots of options that guys like Bay, K-Rod, Wagner, Schowenweiss, Castillo, Perez, Beltran, Pedro and Alou don’t because few teams can even take on that salary and when they leave, that’s it. They leave nothing behind for future years. That’s why we have so many holes to fill every year.
How about fixing the reason for the talent deffiency on our team for a change rather than taking the big money short cut every year?
As Joe Mcilvaine put it “free agency is a short term solution to a long term problem.” When are we going to start addressing the long term problem?
NO!
Maybe they should trade Wright and Beltran for Bryce Harper also.
Seriously, they should only trade for pitching, period. For the next 4 years.
Mejia Gee and Harvey seem to be pretty promising. So I do not see a significant lack or young talent in the system.
i know after the Wells trade this winter Tony Reagins may seem like somewhat of a rube, but I assure you the one way he could be gauranteed of not only losing his job, but getting viciously beaten on the way to his car would be to trade a future superstar center fielder like Trout for a 3 month rental (if he doesn’t get injured) of Reyes. If you want to have a realistic conversation for dumping your future ex-shortstop on the Angels think a strait up trade for Eric Aybar, or if the Halos cam flip Aybar for a starter in a 3 way deal a middle infield prospect like Armista.
You’re not going to get Trout, you were never going to get Trout, so if you want to see him come on down to Texas and check out a double A game or wait 3-4 years for an interleague matchup at Citi because there is no way the Mets are getting anywhere near the world series in the forseable future.
Sorry to shine the light on on your masterbatory trade scenarios, but it had to be done.
Kiwi
Yeap. Aybar plus a couple B level prospects is all that the Mets could realistically net.
Resigning Reyes is the only real option but if he weren’t resigned and we weren’t blown away then the picks are the only conceivable way to go.
They can get a lot more than that. Didn’t the M’s get Justin Smoak and other prospects from the Rangers for a half year of Cliff Lee? And I believe the Yankees offered Jesus Montero.
If they can get something like that for Lee, then the Mets can get something close to that for Reyes. There are going to be a lot of teams that would want him besides the Angels. Who else could use a top SS? Cards? Giants? Brewers? Maybe the Reds? I have no idea who their SS is. I’m sure there’s others, and I’m sure they are going to offer a LOT more than a OK major leaguer, and B level prospects for somebody like Reyes. Aybar hit .250 last year, and only had 5 HR’s, why the hell would we want him? and Reyes is only one year older than him anyway – if that’s all you can get, then your just better off taking the two picks.
Oh and really, the best thing for the Mets to do is just keep Reyes…..
Absolutely. Resign him. We’re just talking here. Aybar? that’s a good one. NEXT.
Lee as a top shelf ace is in a higher category but Tex brought Texas quite a bit. Andrus, Saltamachia, Feliz….
Reyes is clearly top shelf everyday talent that is in extremely short supply outside of the Cubs, White Sox, Colorado and Florida and even at that no worse than 3rd at his position in the entire Major Leagues.
Aybar? That’s a good one.
Nobody is ever going to trade Reyes for Aybar. like you said, we are going to trade a guy who’s like a top 3 SS, for a guy who hit .250 last year, and has no power, and who’s around the same age as Jose? How is that a realistic trade? And how does that make any sense for us, while we can get two draft picks if Reyes doesn’t sign with us anyway? I’d much rather have a 1st round pick than Aybar.
We can easliy resign Reyes too. Perez, castillo, and Beltran’s contracts are going to be up, so we are going to have plenty of money to bring him back. There’s only two other SS that are better than Jose, so I’d do whatever it takes to bring him back.
And Kiwi wants us to trade him for Aybar? He must be an Angels fan, that’s the only explation for that.
Hey I have a novel idea.
How about the Mets just sign Reyes?
He’s nothing but one of the top 3 shortstops that other teams are drooling for.
If the Mets I.E. Miniya did not stupidly and ignorantly listen to ANOTER TEAMS trainer/doctor about the severity of Reyes’ leg injury, he would have been on the field much sooner. It too bad Reyes has to take the fall for that.
If Reyes goes…so will Wright count on it….it’s no guarantee that Wright will re-sign. Especially with that crap of a ball park that I believe that thug Tony Bernazard had a say in the outfield architecture and seemingly only opposing hitters can hit homeruns in.
I saw how frustrated he was when he made the last out, with the bases loaded, on a ball hit to right field that would have went out in almost any other ball park the other day?
Citi-field is costing Wright millions….if Reyes goes Wright RBI’s will drop off significantly…he’ll never be a 100 RBI guy without Reyes on the Mets.
Have you been huffing glue? The thought that you would get arguably the top prospect for Reyes is asinine. Trout will be starting in center or right next year for the halos. I agree with kiwi. Aybar plus a prospect and we can start talking.
Aybar & a prospect? LMAO. You & kiwi need to lay off the crack pipe if you really think Aybar & a prospect will be a starting point to get Reyes. If Reagins even thinks of starting an offer for Reyes with that, he should expect to hear a dial tone before he even finishes his sentence.
The Angels already have a short stop that can’t make it through a season without a dl stint without having to worry about Reyes on top of it. If you expect to get Trout for Reyes then I think you need your head examined
Difference is, between Reyes & Aybar, injuries or not, Reyes is still one of the top overall (offensive/defensive) shortstops in baseball, period. May I remind you that before the Mets & the medical horribly botched his hamstring problem in ’09, he played over 150+ games EVERY season since his first full season in ’05? Now he’s running pain free. You shouldn’t worry about Reyes being a rental. After all, you still have all that money saved up from trying to get Crawford & Beltre last season, right? If you seriously want Reyes, the conversation starts with a top prospect, whether you like it or not.
There is a huge difference between Aybar and Reyes. Aybar is an injury proned player who is average at best. He’s in the same tier as Cliff Pentington or Marco Scutaro or Miquel Tejada. Reyes is one of the best speedsters and the 3rd best shortstop in baseball.
Now a Reyes for Trout swap would be HIGHLY unlikely as I said. But throw in Beltran or K-rod and a pitching prospect and you may have something.
Beltran? Really?
Carlos Beltran? The guy they chose Vernon freakin’ Wells over? Then again, better him than Abreu at DH.
Yea why not Beltran? He isnt the same guy but for a team looking to compete maybe the fact of his great postseason success (see 2004) could help get a deal done. He’s begun to regain his speed and could draw trade interest this year
Angels don’t need another high-priced OFer.
One thing about Reyes, as good as his plate discipline and base stealing were at one time, they are declining. He only walked 30 times in 2010, and stole just 30 bases.
He’s become just a really solid SS and nothing else.
Even if that were true look at who playing SS across the Major Leagues. Nothing but dinosaurs or one dimemsional players. Even in the high minors only Dee Gordon or Iglesias are thought to be close.
Reyes is far better than just a solid SS but even that is in incredibly short supply…and huge demand.
Well said.
Him with Mookie Wilson at first as the first base coach, I think Reyes will have around 55 SBs this year.
Calling him just a solid SS is just absurd. His speed, His defense, he is arguably THE best leadoff hitter in the game, not to mention on pace for 220 hits this year and 72 stolen bases. What “solid” shortstop has those numbers?
First rule of GM fight club: Don’t trade the best prospect in baseball! Especially not for a rental! And definatly NOT for a player at a position where you have two options hitting for higher average! The Angels have a shortstop doing an amazing job leading off this year, his name is Mycer Izturis, is he as proven as Reyes or have the same speed? No, but he and Bourjos are going to do just fine keeping the spot warm until Trout arrives.
If you want to make an offer for the kid you don’t start with the “third best” but injury prone player at a position, you start with the best player, and make sure he has a team friendly contract for 3-5 years. Tulowitzki? You’ve got a discussion. Longoria? Sure, let’s talk. Reyes? Not so much.
Ahhh yes, Maicer Izturis. The same Maicer Izturis who’s played at the most 114 games in a season (100+ games THREE times in a eight year career), versus Jose Reyes, who’s played more than that FIVE times out of the last six seasons he’s played full time. Isn’t Izturis a utility guy anyway? Why not just put Izturis at second? He’s a better option than Howie Kendrick over there. Why are you worried about Reyes being a rental? Obviously, if the Mets were to trade Reyes to the Halos, they could have a little negotiating window to extend Jose Reyes just like the Mets did with Johan Santana a few years ago. You have the money (or so Reagins says), so what’s there to worry about? Despite what’s been said by bloggers everywhere, I doubt that Reyes will command a Crawford-esque contract, not that he’ll get it anyway. Look how well Crawford is doing now. I highly doubt Reyes wants THAT kind of pressure on him wherever he chooses to go. Stop kidding yourself…Reyes is the best shortstop right now that’s not locked up and he’s exactly what the Angels need. This “Reyes is injury prone” talk is simply ridiculous.
I know right? Reyes had a torn hammy that sidelined him for most of 2009 then had a minor issues at the beginning and during the middle of 2010 and everyone is ready to put him with Kelvim Escobar and Chin-Meng Wang.
And if you want to get technical. Troy Tulowitzki is much more injury proned than Reyes. Just Saying.
Sorry. Maicer is not a better option at 2nd than Kendrick for the Angels. 1. Maicer is injury prone. 2. Kendrick has a much higher ceiling and is out-hitting Maicer by a mile– and that’s saying a lot.
1) I already established the fact that Maicer’s injury prone.
2) Kendrick outhitting Macier? When? This season or career wise? Because he’s not outhitting him right now. Career-wise, true, but Kendrick lacks plate discipline. The BB/K difference he has is ridiculous.
He is outhitting him. BB/K does not equal the winner of outhitting.
Again, why would Maicer be a better option at 2B if even you understand that he is fragile??
Hmmm. Kendrick leading AL in HR. I bet Maicer is still outhitting, huh?
Kendrick hits line drives all day. Even his outs are spectacular. recognize
*yawn*
I like how you Angel fans go from trying to convince us that you’re better off with Izturis than Reyes because of his “amazing job leading off this year” to acting like Kendrick is the greatest thing since sliced bread. Am I supposed to be impressed? Kendrick is used to being hot in April. His outs are “spectacular”? LOL this is getting sad. Wait til he crashes back to Earth in May…like he always does. Recognize!
Of course, the Angels would be better off with Reyes than Maicer. Who said otherwise? Who? No, really, who???
As for kendrick having hot April’s then tapering off, that is pure BS. A hot steaming load of wrong info, again. He heats up. In fact his second halves are where he shines. Check the stats, bro, before you make a fool of yourself.
And yes, if you watch him regularly you would see that 80% (made that number up) of his outs are smashed right at fielders. No pop ups, not weak fly outs, not innocent grounders to infielders. This year he is coming of age. About time. Mark this, he will be an all-star this year and beyond.
recognize
Yeah, Reyes will settle for less money because he doesn’t want Crawford-like pressure.
You are very,very funny
You being a Brandon Wood fan is funny enough. He’s not gonna get Crawford money anyway.
He wont take a Crawford contract because “I highly doubt Reyes wants THAT kind of pressure on him wherever he chooses to go.”??
LOLOLOLOL
Reyes goes to highest bidder. Likely Boston or Yankees. Boston cannot ever figure out SS, like the Halos cant get 3B right, and the Yanks will move Jeter to CF and likely trade Granderson because he cannot hit lefties.
I see Angel fans are hard of reading so I’ll say this again and this time, I’ll break it down: Reyes…is…not…getting…Crawford…money.
“As for kendrick having hot April’s then tapering off, that is pure BS. A hot steaming load of wrong info, again.”
His career slash line in May says otherwise (.202/.237/.300/.538)
An Angel’s fan here just wanted to say no way that deal would ever happen let alone be discussed. No disrespect but come on get real. Trout is considered by many scouts to be the number one prospect coming in to 2011. Some have Bryce though. Either way this trade is not even close to even and our gm would hang up before yours even finished talking.
Trout is UNTOUCHABLE short of Longoria.
Conger is semi-UNTOUCHABLE.
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Well said.
“The Mets could have drafted Mike Trout in 2009 but decided to sign closer Francisco Rodriguez instead.”
Sorry but the Angels would have drafted Trout ahead of Grichuk if they only one choice. They drafted Trout second to send a subtle message about signability. So don’t go around moping thinking the Mets could have had Trout had it not been for Frankie signing.
The Angels didn’t even have a first round pick in that draft. They forfeited theirs to Colorado for Fuentes. Losing Tex and K-Rod got them 2 first rounders and two supplemental picks. The earliest selection of the four was ours at #24. Had we kept our pick Mike Trout was right there to be had and there was nothing the Angels could have done about it.
Now whether we WOULD HAVE drafted him is a valid point. Chances are very good that we wouldn’t have, but could we have? No question about it. We would’ve been picking #24, your first pick (from NYY) was #25. Trout was still on the board, nothing you could have done about it.
This by the way coming from a die hard Met Fan who’s favorite team in the AL is and has been for 40 years the Angels, so if we can’t get him at least you did but that doesn’t change the fact that we could’ve.
Ah, interesting way to look at it. I learned something. Good stuff
Trout for Reyes? You really think Reagins is that stupid to trade the best prospect in baseball for an impending FA who is declining? Why not just ask for Segura in exchange for K-Rod? Or ask for Tyler Chatwood in exchange for Beltran?
“You really think Reagins is that stupid to trade the best prospect in baseball for an impending FA who is declining?”
You really don’t know your GM that well, do you?
Hmmmm…
Teixeira for Kotchman and scrubs.
Haren for Saunders +
He’s made poor trades but also incredible ones. The ANgels are better aftyer all said and done. recognize
No harm to anyone here but could someone give me just one marginal or plausable reason for trading anything for Wells and his contract? Just something where you could at least see the glimmer of a thought process, because no one else on the planet can figure out any redeeming benefit of that move.
Sure. The Angels were desperate and had no other options to add a 30hr bat to the line up while greatly improving the embarrassing OF defense that lost as many games as the blowpen. 2010 was ugly. I think Wells makes the Halos a better club than before the trade but we’ll see how it impacts them in a couple of years with regards to flexibility to acquire a FA. FAs will be in short supply in the coming years from what I can see so they greatly overpaid for a good hitter/defender that may be slowing down.
Jose Reyes is declining? I think you just answered your own question in your name (“Do you think Angels fans are that stupid?”) by writing some bullcrap like that.
Going from 50-80 SBs in a season to 30 in 2010, from 60-70 walks in a season to 31 in 2010, and from an average of 66 XBHs in 2006-2008 to just 50 in 2010 isn’t exactly status quo. He is still a really solid all around SS, but he isn’t the player that he was from 2006-2008.
Really solid and about to be a FA should not net you the best prospect in all of baseball, and it definately should not net you that best prospect AND potentially a solid catcher.
He was bouncing back from injury in 2010.
Let me put it in terms for the Angels. when Morales comes back from his injury, chances are he will not have as good of a year he had in 2009. Should we peg him as a declining player now?
Thank you Clayton. Good example. Obviously, Oracle is speaking like he hasn’t seen Reyes play so far at all. He got his rhythm back as the season progressed last year. For a guy who’s “declining”, Reyes hit over .300 almost every month after May last season (September/October the only month). I read somewhere (can’t remember where right now) that Reyes admitted that he wasn’t being selective last season. Right now, I see the old Reyes before the hamstring injury in ’09. Reyes is 6 for 6 in stolen bases as of this post by the way. So much for his bad legs.
I’m sure Alderson will be talking to every team and I doubt too many of them will refuse to discuss their top prospect, but we’ll see. Hopefully he stays and if we don’t get blown away we’ll take the picks.
No, you shouldn’t, however you should obviously question how good he will be until he shows it right? 3 weeks of a season is not a great gauge. The Red Sox will not end up as bad as theyre showing, and the Royals will not finish in 2cd place.
Declining? Please! Reyes is 27. His prime age, not declining. That starts in like 6-7 seasons. Like Torii Hunter for example, thats someone on the decline.
Trout is not going anywhere. Anything less than Trout for Puljos is an insult
Sorry buddy, but even for ALbert it is a no-go. Pujols is a rental and extremely expensive in the future if he were to re-sign. —– and the Halos are 1st base rich with low-cost players. They need 3B. and no, pujols cannot play 3b, he sucks there. Trout for Longoria is the only plausible option which the Rays would laugh at.
Longoria for trout would be something the angels would seek, and yes, get laughed at. Even though they still owe us an apology for scott kazmir.
Angels fan here,
No offense, but you guys aren’t looking at things in reality. Yes, Reyes is very good, and Trout ‘could be’ very good (or suck). That’s said, right now he is highly valued by a ton of people, throughout baseball. Reyes is an exciting player, but not a top tier type so to speak. He’s like carl crawford, speedy high contact, low power. Plus, whether you agree or not, he has some injury questions to answer. More importantly, it would be a half season rental. If you say ‘extension’, why not just wait until he’s a FA and keep trout? Lastly, whoever mention cliff lee and tex is crazy. Tex, aside from being FAR better than reyes (no offense) still had two years left on his contract, not a few months. And lee is a bonafide ace, which for a team going into the playoffs is more valuable than a really good (not great) position player.
As far as izturis, sure, reyes is better. But izturis is doing just fine right now, and the upgrade to reyes wouldn’t be worth losing trout. The angels need SP if anything, maybe a 3B. Wright would be more of a target than reyes.
Ten Ocho, Tex had a year and a half left when traded to Atlanta, Reyes would only have a half a year, not the Same thing, fair enough but Reyes does at SS what Tex does at 1B and 1B is a far easier position to get competent play from. Right now SS is almost next to impossible. Just look at what SF had to do. Not only is it bad, it’s gonna get worse. Only Boston and the LAD have anything nearly ready in the minors.
The point isn’t who would provide the most going forward, it’s who are we going to get to play SS. Not just for you but for about 20 other teams. Renteria, Cabrera, Tejada, Jeter, Gonzalez, Drew, Uribe aren’t all going to last forever. Anyone who can get good defense and 60 x base hits out of SS has a big leg up on their division. In your offense he would be a game changer (as would Trout)
If we don’t resign him everyone who doesn’t get Reyes is living with whoever they have now. There are a scant few teams in ML baseball that wouldn’t get a big upgrade from having Jose Reyes as their SS. He really is a player you have to see everyday to fully appreciate what he brings and at 28 he’ll be bringing it for a while.
Not saying I’d do the deal if I were the Angels but it’s not as far fetched a proposal as some would make it out to be.
In regards to Tex vs Reyes:
As exciting as Reyes is to watch, he’s a decent contact (but not a .300 hitter) with very modest poser (2 seasons of above .450 slugging out of nine). His speed is nice, but at the end of the day he still isn’t getting on base even what Figgins was for us a few years ago. In fact he isn’t that far above league average for OBP. Again, I think Crawford is a very good comparable as far as his bat.
Defensively he’s got a great glove, which at SS, yes, is more important than 1B.
That said, Tex at the time he was traded (not forgetting he still had a year and a half left on a contract of similar money as Reyes) was averaging 30+ HR’s a year, had an OBP about .370 career, and was routinely putting up a .900+ OPS. Not to mention he is very good at 1B, and switch hits. Tex is the type of player who is instantly an MVP of a team, being second only to names like Pujols, ARod, etc. Reyes is NOWHERE near that type of value. Tex (and hitters like him) are more valuable with their combo of power and on base skills than speedsters like Reyes. For a good example, look at the Red Sox with Gonzalez and Crawford (Crawfords slump aside).
Don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying Reyes wouldnt be very useful to the Angels. But SS isn’t a big Angels need right now, and speed definetely isn’t. Trout could turn out to be Brandon Wood, and we miss out on some stud we could have traded for. But right now EVERY team in MLB wants Trout, and with his current value, the Angels would only consider trading him somewhere that nets us a very good player (lets say its a jose reyes calibur player) who is locked up to a good deal for a long time. Giving up a potential 5 tool impact player, who lots of people want, for a few months of someone who is ‘good’ for a few months would be a very poor move, for any club.
wow. this post must be getting record comments numbers. some good discussion going on for the most part. someone linked to this article from http://angelswin.com/forum/forums/forum-view.asp?fid=2 hence the flood of angels fanatics.
Lol, yeah that’s where we came from. Good talking to die hards from another team, always cool to hear other peoples opinions.
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