Comments on: Gee Should Remain In The Rotation, Not Capuano

By: Clayton Collier

Clayton Collier — Tue, 26 Apr 2011 23:51:05 +0000

Yea, too bad neither has consistant success Lol.

By: Clayton Collier

Clayton Collier — Tue, 26 Apr 2011 23:07:31 +0000

I saw somewhere that there were like 4 or 5 active pitchers who have never been on the DL in their career. I remember Lowe and Livan were on it. I cannot remember the others

By: Satish Ram

Satish Ram — Tue, 26 Apr 2011 22:38:24 +0000

Yeah, Lowe and Livan are the only ones who’ve done it for 12+ years though.

Which is amazing when you think about it.
Livan’s nearing 3,000 IP without a DL trip.

By: Clayton Collier

Clayton Collier — Tue, 26 Apr 2011 22:07:55 +0000

Well also Livan has never been on the DL in his entire career I believe.

By: Clayton Collier

Clayton Collier — Tue, 26 Apr 2011 22:06:34 +0000

A career 2.22 ERA is great.

Gee has never had a bad start. Cap has only had one good start.

By: Clayton Collier

Clayton Collier — Tue, 26 Apr 2011 22:05:33 +0000

Capuano’s 18 win season was well before his double tommy john surgery. He is a much different pitcher now.

And you can hardly say that Capuano has shown he can be a valueable starting pitcher. He had one good start, against the Astros. 1/3 good starts is not something to be praised.

Gee has shown alot moreso that he can be a valueable starter than Cap this year.

By: jessep

jessep — Tue, 26 Apr 2011 21:31:14 +0000

Capuano’s earned it by being a past 18 game winner in the Major Leagues. If he blows up during a few starts then sure ditch him, but its April and he’s shown you he can be a valuable starting pitcher and you’re paying him more money than you are Dillon Gee who has options

By: Satish Ram

Satish Ram — Tue, 26 Apr 2011 21:28:58 +0000

Right.

Him and Lowe I think are the only active players who have played 12+ seasons without being on the DL.

By: jessep

jessep — Tue, 26 Apr 2011 21:28:13 +0000

haha nice one there Pete. You’re right though… Spring Training the 5th starter job was available to Gee. If Gee had thrown below 2.00 ERA in spring and Cap was 5+, people would be screaming for Gee to be on the opening day roster and Cap in the pen. But because it doesn’t fit, they brush it aside.

By: jessep

jessep — Tue, 26 Apr 2011 21:27:00 +0000

Clayton: Can you please concede that you do not decide a pitchers overall value by his ERA? Please? Dillon Gee threw 93 pitches and off of those 93 pitches, 4 runners scored on Saturday.

Did Murphy make an error yes. But does that mean David Wright’s HR off Galarraga didn’t happen on Sunday as well?

You don’t judge a pitcher’s value solely on their ERA. Nobody else threw the pitches that scored 2 more runs to score. Dillon Gee doesn’t walk off the mound and say “well at least those runs aren’t earned,” when his team is suddenly thrust in a 4-3 game rather than 4-1.

And then Oh by the way he gave up a HR to make it 4-4 in the 6th. The only reason he won that game is because the guy who MADE the error drove in a leading run when Gee was being taken out for Beato anyway.

I like the kid, but giving him this free pass for Saturday has got to stop. He allowed 4 runs to score and blew the lead he was given in the 3rd inning.

The final score wasn’t 6 earned runs to 2 earned runs.

By: Satish Ram

Satish Ram — Tue, 26 Apr 2011 21:04:50 +0000

I’d like to think so, except I think Caps provides a little bit more on the K meter.

He’s around 7 in K/9 and Livan is around 5.5.

By: Even Flow

Even Flow — Tue, 26 Apr 2011 20:40:55 +0000

“These Mets fans that think he should be sent to the pen in favor of a kid with a cup of coffee in the bigs so far, are a joke. They know nothing about baseball. They think it is all numbers on a page. They wouldn’t know talent from make believe if it had a label on it.”

HAHAHAHAHAHA

By: Pete

Pete — Tue, 26 Apr 2011 20:34:18 +0000

Exactly, Gee is a good kid but he’s just starting out, what’s the rush to anoint him the ace of the staff already? Cap is a Met and he should be supported. These Mets fans that think he should be sent to the pen in favor of a kid with a cup of coffee in the bigs so far, are a joke. They know nothing about baseball. They think it is all numbers on a page. They wouldn’t know talent from make believe if it had a label on it. And they certainly understand nothing of the difference between a player’s mindset when he is a veteran, from when he is a rookie.

By: Even Flow

Even Flow — Tue, 26 Apr 2011 20:32:14 +0000

Am I supposed to be impressed? You’re saying that like the Astros are supposed to be some great team. I’m sorry, was that supposed to be your witty comeback? Because that SUCKED. Not my fault the offense stunk and left multiple men on base against a sorry cast of pitchers like Bud Norris.

By: Pete

Pete — Tue, 26 Apr 2011 20:27:00 +0000

Yeah they are negligible when they don’t move your argument forward.

By: Pete

Pete — Tue, 26 Apr 2011 20:16:05 +0000

You are dead wrong on this. Cap has earned the opportunity. I’m not saying he should be in the rotation regardless of how he pitches, but he should be given the opportunity until he proves he cannot handle starting anymore. The guy is a former all-star and if he can put the injuries behind him, then he should be starting. Gee on the other hand is tough and young and resilient and he will not waste away in the pen. He will get plenty of opportunities as it is a very long season, with no Johan, and we are depending on Chris Young to pitch a full season? I don’t think that will be happening. Gee needs to be patient and his time will come. It is a very nice problem to have, having too many capable starters. I remember in 1969 and 1970, there was a young Met pitcher with talent who had a lot of trouble cracking the rotation. He pitched mostly out of the pen and won some huge games down the stretch and in the post season in ’69. He was used as a spot starter but it wasn’t until he got traded away that he found a regular rotation spot in the bigs. His name was Nolan Ryan.

By: Metlomaniac

Metlomaniac — Tue, 26 Apr 2011 19:32:18 +0000

Taking a “great” pitcher out of the rotation? I like Gee a lot, but let’s see him win double digit games at the major league level before even calling him a good pitcher. Capuano’s done that, and after his outstanding start, he deserves to stay in the rotation until he proves he’s not worthy.

By: Metstheory22

Metstheory22 — Tue, 26 Apr 2011 15:43:34 +0000

Agree

By: Da Madd Genius

Da Madd Genius — Tue, 26 Apr 2011 15:27:15 +0000

Gee can be a part of our future if allowed to develop properly. No matter what Capuano does, he will not be a part of our long term future. Putting Gee in the pen is trying to rescue a last place ball club in April. Absurdly short sighted.

The reality is we had 5 major league starters. You may not like them all, but there was no reason to add a 6th without sending one back down. This has the makings of a TERRIBLE decision. Something that if Omar did (and indeed he did do it last year) he’d be pilloried for it on these boards.

By: Clayton Collier

Clayton Collier — Tue, 26 Apr 2011 15:15:26 +0000

Yes. Gee does not have an overwhelming fastball at 89-MPH. He relies on his exceptional control.

It sounds to me that Capuano and Livan Hernandez are very much alike in their pitching types? correct me if I am wrong.