Francesa Calls Alderson A Liar, Then Invites Him To His Show

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• Bayonne Mets Fan April 21, 2011 at 7:11 pm

  You have a lot of untruths here Craig and a lot of things taken out of context especially the part where Francesa said he’s “sick of talking about the Mets” I saw that and he wasn’t especially serious, he was saying it tongue-in-cheek and obviously didn’t mean it. It was in NO WORSE context than any other person who comments here and says they’re sick of or have had it with the Mets.

  This post is a complete fabrication.

  Oh, and you say he inherited Omar’s mess? Wrong again. The fact is he inherited a team that was ready to contend and with the excpetion of Beato and Harris one by one Alderson’s contributions are being cut, DFA’d or on the DL

  But of course you don’t want to talk about that.

  You want to talk about Omar Minaya. Several people keep bringing him up and it’s incredibly stupid. I don’t hear anybody in mainstream media saying these ridiculous things about Omar Minaya now, just a couple of fans here.
  • Bayonne Mets Fan April 21, 2011 at 7:14 pm

    Oh and one more thing, the way you twisted around the things Francesa said makes YOU the liar.

    If Francesa actually called Alderson a liar and meant it, I’m sure it would’ve been a topic of conversation during their interview.

    You’re the liar.
    • Peter R. April 21, 2011 at 7:19 pm

      He did call Alderson a liar. I dont know about the other stuff earlier in the week, but today he called Alderson a liar several times.
      • Bayonne Mets Fan April 21, 2011 at 7:24 pm

        I did see when he “matter of factly” said maybe Alderson lied or didn’t tell the truth when he said the Mets would win 85 games, that maybe he said it for ticket sales. But it was the way he said it just like he said before the WIlpons weren’t honest on his program 2 years ago when they were all on it w/Minaya and said Omar had no restrictions and he wound up having financial restrictions after all. Is that what you saw too? I saw no other instances of him calling Alderson a liar.

        But the headline makes it appear that it’s this HUGE story and it’s not. Do you see any reporters on Twitter or anywhere else following up on it? No. This is much ado about nothing.
      • t agee April 21, 2011 at 8:59 pm

        Francesca is for what ever drives ratings. He’s tabloid journalism on the radio. All style, no substance. Big hat no cattle. He’s never made a prediction that ever came off. He’s a fat verbose blowhard.

        What does anyone expect? That Alderson can close the vast talent gap that exists between the Mets and the rest of the National League in one off season? That every available Major League caliber player wants to come here? Hell, no one wanted to come here when the vault was wide open, why would they want to come here now? Even guys who did come here didn’t want to.

        Players want to go where there are other competent players, a competent front office, competent ownership, not bufoons who constantly shoot themselves in the foot. Not where the two best players have one foot out the door. Not where every year you have to bring in 8-10 new players every year, Not where two of your starting 8 would be in everyone else’s triple A, Not where ownership goes out of their way to embarass players after the medical staff misdiagnoses them, Not where there are blowhards in the media up your *** all the time. Not where fans only remember one AB or one flyball in an entire season.

        Please, this mess goes way beyond Omar’s era. He actually provided something for the future. Most of it miles away but it’s better than nothing. A lot better than when he got here but no where near enough to infuse the 2011 or 2012 roster with the type of talent other teams have.

        Now that we can’t overpay people to come here it shouldn’t be a surprise to anyone that they chose to go elsewhere.
    • Kramer67 April 21, 2011 at 7:26 pm

      How did Craig lie? Francesa did say those things. Now you may disagree with how he perceived but that doesnt make him a liar? He reported on what was said and he obviously took offense to it. You on the other hand didnt. But it makes neither of you a liar. Francesa did say Alderson came on his show and lied. He said it often.
      • Bayonne Mets Fan April 21, 2011 at 7:34 pm

        It’s like me telling you to knock it off already and then the Headline reads “Bayonne tells Kramer to GO TO HELL!”

        That’s the essence of this post and it’s a LIE. Do you see any professional reporters running with this? No, of course not. IF it were like Lerner made it out to be you’d be reading all about it.
        • jessep April 21, 2011 at 7:37 pm

          You are arguing with Bayonne who just tried to sell the point that Bartolo Colon was available through free agency. He’s mad the Mets signed Young and Capuano who have injury issues… but he’s also mad the Mets didn’t sign Bartolo Colon. What a joke
          • Des April 21, 2011 at 9:01 pm

            That’s just the start of issues with ‘The Complainer.’
            • t agee April 21, 2011 at 9:12 pm

              He wanted to sign Wang too who’s yet to appear in a game.
              • XtreemIcon April 22, 2011 at 12:22 am

                Don’t forget about Millwood, the guy who’s so good, NO ONE gave him a major league deal and he cann’t even crack the YANKEES ROTATION! THE YANKEES ROTATION!!
              • Vinny B April 22, 2011 at 11:17 am

                Don’t foeget about extreem’s predictions in the offseason about how the Phillies would fall apart this year – they are 1st place in the NL east. And about how Harang was in “decline”. Harang is 4-0 1.88 ERA, 1.08 WHIP, and ranks 3rd in the majors in FIP. Only Haren and Graza are ahead of him….and Garza’s the guy you said was overrated – he is 1st in the majors in FIP.

                He also said that Willie Harris wouldn’t do anything with the Mets, while he did a nice job filling in for Bay when he was out. you also said Hairston wasn’t a bad signing, he is hitting .159/.258/.321.
  • baby al April 21, 2011 at 7:20 pm

    tell it like it iz…bayonne.as far as you go craig francesa did say this mess would be put at omars feet which u forgot to say…. BUT DID! when geniusalderson signs reyes and wins 97 games you get back to me.(OMAR DID BOTH)
• Peter R. April 21, 2011 at 7:21 pm

  Mike Francesa is an entertainer first and an impartial sports talk host last. He only cares about ratings and he knows he’ll get those ratings by doing exactly what he did today and rile Mets fans up. His treatment of the new front office is very unfair, but that’s show business. Dont take him so seriously.
• jessep April 21, 2011 at 7:22 pm

  While I agree with Bayonne the Complainer that I don’t feel Francesa called him a liar to the extent you believe Craig… I have to take exception with the following statement

  “The fact is he inherited a team that was ready to contend”

  So when Alderson joined the team: LF Bay, CF Pagan, RF Beltran, 2B ???, SS Reyes, 3B Wright, 1B Ike, C Thole. SP: Santana, Pelfrey, Niese, Dickey, ??? RP: ???, Parnell, KRod

  So did Omar build a rare contender that didn’t need a bullpen? What about 2B? What about Oliver Perez?

  Is it Alderson’s fault that Mike Pelfrey, Jon Niese, RA Dickey, and Angel Pagan are performing well under their 2010 standards? Did he do that?

  A contending team has 25 men on the roster with depth in the minors to come through in case of injury. To say Omar left Alderson a contender is simply a lie and spoken only to try and make Alderson look bad.

  Show me one team that had to rely on getting over 70% of their bullpen from free agency, and I’ll show you a team that cannot contend.
  • srt April 21, 2011 at 7:43 pm

    I was going to weigh in also until I saw:

    “The fact is he inherited a team that was ready to contend”

    There is so much wrong with that statement I wouldn’t know where to begin.
    • Bayonne Mets Fan April 21, 2011 at 7:59 pm

      Contend for the Wild Card…just to be clear cuz i know you’re type like’s to run with things. And yes there were good enough to contend for Wild Card and a smarter off season would’ve helped this team
      • srt April 21, 2011 at 10:19 pm

        Money, Bayonne. Strapped for cash.

        And for the record, I believe in order to compete for the WC it would have to be almost a perfect storm. Not impossible, just not probable.
  • t agee April 21, 2011 at 9:05 pm

    Completely absurd to call this team a wild card contender. With 13 million and 10 roster spots to fill. What a joke. Ace on the shelf, no 2B, payroll already filled to the max, no one ready in AAA. Wonder what he could have done with the 18M from Castillo and Perez. Wild Card. That’s a good one.
    • Des April 21, 2011 at 9:28 pm

      Tag, We had Bayonne’s 2B guy, the no-hit, no-field Ruben Tejada.
      • t agee April 21, 2011 at 9:37 pm

        Yeah we could use another guy like that up here. Waste all his options before his prime so someone else can get him if he does ever come through. Good idea.
      • Bayonne Mets Fan April 21, 2011 at 9:47 pm

        Des i’ve been ignoring your posts because I KNOW you want a response but it seems day after day after day you keep on insisting on bringing up the 2B matter as some type of victory for YOU and not the team.
        You say you saw the Brooklyn Dodger play so I’ll assume you’re around 65-70 and you still haven’t learned much about life have you? You STILL like to comment on things as if some type of finality has occured when the truth is it’s far from it.
        Life should tell you that we’re just going to have to see if this lasts at 2B. I STILL believe Murphy is not a second baseman and i’m going to have to see a LOT more to be convinced.

        The DAY before Emaus got cut you posted here that the Mets where in “good hands” – your exact words. Then he got cut. Did I come out here like a little boy and post nyah, nyah, nyah, you see? No. But that’s what you do everyday..and how old are you? 80?

        How ofter do I mention Tejada? Every single day like you DO w/Havens? A kid who hasn’t even played yet? Yes if Havens develops into the player you say he is then fine whatever is best for the METS and NOT whatever is best for who says what their favorite player plays.

        Tejada IN MY OPINION and the opinion of a lot of other professionals that we read is STILL the best defensive second baseman the Mets have at the moment. And I like how you’re posting day after day day after day that he’s in a slump recently. Like you get some kind of twisted enjoyment out of that? As if his recent slump will last after a good start. STill a lot more baseball to go you senile old man. But you should be saying things like that to me not me to you, you’re supposed to have years of life experience behind you. Evidently you haven’t learned much in your lifetime and it’s almost over.

        Any other long, complicated numerical equations you want to post…if only to impress others and not for any other reasons?

        Keep on asking for trouble and you’re going to get it. YOU’RE the one that embellishes stories about Jerry Manuel, you claim you ACTUALLY made calls to colleges. I understand you’re old and old people like to embellish their memories but more than one person here has called you out for doing your own “original reporting”…as how it was put by a certain someone.
        Long season ahead and EXPERIENCE should tell you that most likely it’s not going to stay this way. Now go create some other embellishing stories?

        By the way how is that baseball program at William Jessep University going that Jerry Manuel said he MIGHT do if he never manages again….over 4 years ago?
        • Des April 21, 2011 at 10:07 pm

          Bayonne, you’re a bloviating BS’er who played the role of the ‘Perfesser’ all off-season. Take your medicine just as you foolishly handed it out. I have nothing against the kid Tejada but you so overplayed his ability that it’s laughable. I hope the kid makes it one day, but not at the expense of a better player. Right now he can’t hit and as I’ve detailed in the comparison with 91 guys who played 2B in 2010, he’s a lower performer. One day it might be different but it isn’t now.

          Regarding Jerry Manuel, your too Stubborn or stupid to know you made a fool of yourself. I just posted what the newspapers and Jerry had said. You made a big deal of it just as you so often do with minor issues. You’re often in left field regarding the truth. I added zip, zero, nada. You made it into some kind of conspiratorial story. Stupid doesn’t do you justice.

          P.S.: to review the facts I actually called the school but reasoning with a jerk like you is a hopeless situation. As they say, a dope will drag a person down to his level and beat you with experience. I’ve gone through it all before with you, but you keep up the same nonsense. Back to pushing shopping carts on Kennedy Blvd for you — something you’re a pro at.
    • jessep April 21, 2011 at 9:16 pm

      agee and others: The only reason to credit the 2011 Mets in October as a contender is a pure blind hatred for Alderson and a book most who hate it have never read.

      It’s plain and simple really. The Mets finished 12 games out of the wildcard in 2010, and had no young prospects coming up to fill in the gaps. They are an overpaid/understaffed team and that is what Alderson inherited.

      You don’t contend for a wildcard when you have to purchase 5 of your 7 bullpen arms through free agency. If you’re a middle reliever on the free agent market, odds are better that you are average at best. Bullpens are built through the farm.

      2B was an inherited disaster, CF relied on a 29 year old who had 1 good year, and their 2nd best pitcher in Pelfrey would be a #4 on half the national league probably.
      • t agee April 21, 2011 at 9:35 pm

        The lack of talent in comparison to other teams is just staggering. We actually have not a single relief pitcher on the active roster that we developed ourselves. 2B has been a joke for 12 years. We have a guy who hits like a RFer for the first time in 20 years and he’s most likely gone in a couple of months. Bay is about the 8th free agent LFer we have had to over pay going all the way back to Foster. Thole is still learning how to catch and can’t hit LHP. Wright has HUGE platoon splits. Pelfrey has never had an answer for LH hitters, Niese is a young pitcher, no help from the minors, 130 M already committed including 18M to Castillo and Perez.

        Yeah the Wild Card was just sitting there to be had.
        • jessep April 21, 2011 at 9:55 pm

          The Mets were Bartolo Colon away from a wildcard! “All we needed” was healthy starting pitching so clearly Colon was the answer

          Maybe Colon could play 2B, RF, pitch 3 days a week and come out of the pen too
          • Met Maniac April 22, 2011 at 1:11 am

            For a guy who called almost every one of his off season predictions WRONG. You sure do flap your mouth a lot about the fact Bayonne thought we should sign a Millwood or Colon as an inning eater and not as the the missing piece to a wild card run. Those were your words, twisting as always, and not his. And sure it’s easy to point fingers and laugh now after the fact.

            Turnabout is fair play.

            This coming from the same guy who said Garza and Grienke were not on the trade block and demanded links and proof from me that the GM’s said they were on the block. Than when I provided them he said I shouldn’t believe everything I read. Of course a couple of weeks later Grienke was traded, and a week after that Garza. The reason I brang them up at the time was because I thought we should have traded Pelfrey and prospects to get one or the other. After the trades he told me they would not have wanted to come to the Mets anyway? First the players had no veto power, and second what was he basing this Mets bias by them on?

            This also coming from the guy who said Cliff Lee to the Yankees was a done deal, while I said it ain’t over till it’s over. I told him the Phillies could be the surprise team, he said they left on bad terms. I told him Lee told the some of the Phillies he wished he was still there, he tells me Jon Heyman is a hack.

            This also coming from the guy who said Brad Emaus was going to show all of us why Sandy Alderson was a better GM than Omar Minaya. Mind you, jessep never hated Minaya like some, but it was still a dumb comment to make.

            His latest pearl of wisdom came yesterday saying there is no chance Jose Reyes will give the Mets a hometown discount, when I reminded him Reyes has already done this in the past plus has said many times he wanted to stay in NY.

            Why is it so unrealistic to believe the the Mets and Reyes can come to an agreement? Why is thinking that there is still a good chance Reyes remains a Met such a ridiculous notion that he had to mock my opinion?

            Didn’t Alderson already say that with some players, their relationship with the fans has to be weighed heavily and that Reyes was one such player? I tried to find the quote, but I couldn’t but maybe someone else can verify they read or heard him say something like that.

            I don’t know when taking chat room convos to the threads started, I only just noticed here tonight for the first time. So thats the only reason I commented this here.
            • jessep April 22, 2011 at 8:50 am

              Maniac: You’re making stuff up. and you have no evidence to back it up.

              Greinke: DURING last season people on here said the Mets should trade David Wright for Zack Greinke. To which I replied there was no reason in the world KC would do that. Prior to Greinke being put on the block,

              I said I didn’t think they’d trade him. Is that so bad that I didn’t think KC would trade a Cy Young pitcher? I also have said Greinke isn’t as good as people make him out to be.

              Regarding Garza, can you show me where I said that? I don’t remember ever saying TB wouldn’t trade Garza…… did you just make it up because it sounded good?

              What I DID say is the NY Mets didn’t have enough to get either Greinke or Garza. I said that. Because it was true.

              “I told him the Phillies could be the surprise team” — That is the biggest lie ever spoken on this site. You should really apply for a job at ESPN or the NY Times. Because Met Maniac knew what NOBODY else knew that Philly was in the mix for Cliff Lee? REALLY? You’re REALLY going to sit here and say (with no proof) that you said that? Get real.

              “This also coming from the guy who said Brad Emaus was going to show all of us why Sandy Alderson was a better GM than Omar Minaya” — Please show me this quote? You’re just making things up left and right. I’d love to see where I said that please.
              • jessep April 22, 2011 at 9:04 am

                “I doubt either are coming to the Mets but if we must debate” Me, regarding Greinke v. Garza for the Mets. December 13

                October 22nd in response to a trade proposal of Beltran/Duda/Mejia for Greinke/DeJesus

                “When did Greinke say he wants out of Kansas City? He didn’t. He wants to win. There’s a difference.” (Editor’s note as of October 22nd, Greinke and KC were not actively looking to deal)

                “I’m not saying Greinke will sign an extension with KC.”

                “Plus, the kid is 26 and has had 1 great year and 1 so-so year. There’s absolutely ZERO reason for the Royals to trade Greinke for Beltran, Duda/Evans and Mejia. None.”

                “They aren’t just going to sell him off just to do so.”

                “If he goes, he goes because they can get a huge deal for him. Not a free agent outfielder with bad knees.”

                “There is no reason in the world Kansas City would just take a deal proposed to them. If Greinke were ever available, it’d be announced to all teams and at the Winter Meetings just like with Santana, there would be a bidding war to start.”

                “Hence, there’s no logical reason for them to just trade them away unless they get a King’s ransom.”

                “Greinke is fine for a small market team, but he’d get eaten up alive in NY.”

                — Maniac: It’s so weird what can be told when the truth happens.

                So to sum up, yes I said Greinke would not be traded for Carlos Beltran. Yes, I said if Greinke were ever available it wouldn’t be a backdoor deal it would be announced like Johan that he was available. Yes, I said he’d go to a small market if anywhere. Yes, I said they aren’t going to just give him away.

                I’d say in the conversation about Greinke in October before he was available that I was pretty dead on. So thanks for the memories Maniac
              • Vinny B April 22, 2011 at 11:02 am

                And your not making anything up? Show me where Bayonne said “all we needed was Colon and we would get the wild card.”

                He probably said it would have been a good move or something like that, but i’m sure he didn’t say he was
                ALL we needed to get the wildcard….
• sarge April 21, 2011 at 8:35 pm

  And so the knives come out.
  So I guess Craig could not spot light something that Francesca said, the man is a Met hater and a Yankee lover but anyway that is the way Craig saw it and he is entitled to post his “story” on what he heard/understood.
  What is wrong with his post, compared to other post on MMO that were just reposts of previous rants, Trade Jose, Trade David, David over rated, Terry vs Jerry, Omar vs SA, etc

  So Craig posted what he understood and heard and now he is a liar, wow I thought his site was for Met fans/bloggers to post w/o bowing to those who defend Francesca, Omar, SA, Wilpons, etc.

  Tensions are running high when a anti Met radio personality becomes the reason to call each other names.

  Anyway the Mets are bad but lets see what happens with Bay back.

  Anyway love this site, at least when most behave

  LGM!
• Jonathan April 21, 2011 at 8:35 pm

  Inherited this team huh? You should run for President… or just blame Bush.
  • t agee April 21, 2011 at 9:08 pm

    130 M of the 143 M of the payroll was already committed, so yeah, I’d say inherited. What else could you call it?
• Clare April 21, 2011 at 9:24 pm

  How does the flagship station of the Mets allow Francesa to
  Bad mouth them every day ?
• Bayonne Mets Fan April 22, 2011 at 1:01 am

  …and on cue Ruben Tejada gets at least 3 hits tonight including 2 doubles and a HR in a double header tonight, driving in at least 4 runs and both games his hits gave Bisons the lead.

  Adam Rubin
  Around the #Mets minors 4.21.11: Nick Evans walk-off HR, Ruben Tejada big night for Buffalo; Vaughn GW RBIs for Gnats http://es.pn/fMIqwF

  Right on cue.
  • XtreemIcon April 22, 2011 at 1:07 am

    I’m a Tejada fan, but even you have to admit he’s not ready offensively or even defensively yet. But if all it takes is bashing him (and by extension you for wanting him in the majors) for him to rake, then he’s worthless and you’re a scumbag. And I’ll say it everyday if Tejada responds to it.

    Deal?
  • Mr North Jersey April 22, 2011 at 3:04 am

    “…and on cue Ruben Tejada gets at least 3 hits tonight including 2 doubles and a HR in a double header tonight, driving in at least 4 runs and both games his hits gave Bisons the lead.”

    I think you have something mixed up. Tejada didn’t get 3 hits he didn’t get 2 doubles he didn’t drive in 4 runs and he didn’t have a hit in the 1st game.

    Ruben Tejada Game 1
    0 for 3
    web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=t422&t=g_box&gid=2011_04_21_rocaaa_bufaaa_1

    Ruben Tejada Game 2
    2 for 3 1/2B 1/HR 1/R 3/RBI is now hitting .255
    (broke out of mini slump where he was hitting .091 over last 7 games)
    web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=t422&t=g_box&gid=2011_04_21_rocaaa_bufaaa_2
    • francis April 22, 2011 at 7:01 am

      http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=tejada001rub

      Ruben Tejada has committed 5 errors in 13 games this year and has a .902 fielding percentage. This guy is botching one out of every ten attempts and committing an error every three games.
      • Des April 22, 2011 at 10:25 am

        Francis, here’s an update.

        In the second game of yesterday’s doubleheader, Tejada hit a homer and a double. But he committed a throwing error. He now has:
        57 CH
        14 PO
        37 A
        6 E
        8 DP
        His Fld% is .895

        Yup, .895, so this kid needs to work on both ends of his game.
        • francis April 22, 2011 at 11:09 am

          Thanks Des.

          6 errors in 15 games ? It sounds like he’s been the worst defensive middle infielder in triple A this year.

          If he keeps it up, he’ll have 50 errors this season. I hope he turns it around, but right now, he’s not ready to play 2B in the majors ( or SS ). He might not be able to handle AAA.
• jaysmets April 22, 2011 at 6:49 am

  Francesa is a egotistical idiot who only fans positives for his chosen team. It’s a shame that he’s allowed on radio. He’s the reason why I now listen to Jodi Mac and Brandon Tierney on ESPN who despite liking there owm teams always give there honest opinions and are fair in there asessments.
  • Donal April 22, 2011 at 9:51 am

    Then you ain’t gonna be happy with this: Jody and BT are being canceled for Lupica’s new show.

    So, honest, reasonable discussion gets canned, but a race baiting, egotiscal jackass who gets no ratings in this market (Cowherd) will keep the 10-noon slot.

    And people wonder why radio is a dying medium.
  • Metstheory22 April 22, 2011 at 11:18 am

    Yes true, Jodi Mac is going on weekends. Seems pencil pushers know who fans rather listen to. Mac should have been on WFan still. I also listen to his show now instead of Blowhard Mike. Not to sure about Lupica, good sport columnist, not radio guy.
• Alan April 22, 2011 at 10:01 am

  I have always said that Francessa was a blowhard and as a diehard Yankee fan took great pleasure in bashing the Mets. This story is bullshit journalism. What GM in Sandy’s position would not come out and say that he felt his team would win 85 games? If he had said 90 -05 games he would look foolish trying to blow smoke up our butts. Sandy was far too smart to try and do that. I think what has always disappointed me as a Mets fan is the way that ownership has kept us shaking our heads in amazement (no pun) about things like the Ollie Perez disaster. Yes 36 million went down the toilet but he should have been sent to Siberia after refusing to go to the minors. I bet they will never agree to a contract like that again! Secondly, over the years the Wilpon’s through their GM’s, the publicists and the medical staff were very secretive and largely incompetent with the handling of injured players. Unless a Donald Trump or Mark Cuban like owner buys the team the Mets will never be able to compete on equal terms with the Yankees which is no big deal however the ownership if you ask me has long suffered with being considered “smaller potatoes” than the Yankees. If baseball was considered big in NY could you imagine the Mets being owned by big spenders like a Donald Trump or a Mark Cuban who would never be happy being second class….

  I am not foolish enough to believe that the public will ever get the truth about everything from “corporate big wigs” but in this case they waited far too long to be paying attention to the fans. The fans in NY do have a good feeling for baseball and are not stupid!

  And like it has been said by so may posters here… Francessa continues to be a blowhard and should be ignored!
• Popster April 22, 2011 at 1:15 pm

  All the things you say about Francesa are so which is why I haven’t listened to him for more than 10 years. The best thing this blog can do regarding Francesa: Never mention his name, his show, ever. The lack of print is the only revenge