Could This Be The End For The Dynamic Duo?

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• WrightStuff April 4, 2011 at 3:28 pm

  If Reyes is out then I’m out too. Plain and simple. I’m tired of only signing players after their prime or keeping players until before they hit their prime. I’m sick of it.
  • Mykey April 4, 2011 at 3:32 pm

    The problem isn’t if they WANT to sign him or not. The problem is will Reyes take less money and years to stay here?
    • SFloridaMetsFan April 4, 2011 at 3:57 pm

      Why wouldn’t the Mets give him enough? They have 60 million to use. If they give Reyes 15 million. That leaves 45 million. Then give Wright his 18 mil. That’s still 27 left. The Mets won’t need to use much more since Mejia and Harvey will replace Young and Caps. Then there’s Duda, F-Mart, Kirk etc to replace Beltran.
      • XtreemIcon April 4, 2011 at 4:31 pm

        I doesn’t work that way. First, everyone is expecting Reyes to want Crawford money. That’s $20 million a year. Not $15 million. It’s also for seven years, which puts a guy who’s game is his legs under contract till he’s 34. And we’re talking about a guy who’s been a major leaguer for eight years, has only played 135+ games four times and still seemingly has a way to go maturity-wise, despite being an eight-year veteran. It’s not at all cut and dried.

        Also, Wright is a non-factor. He’s not part of that $60 million.
        • SFloridaMetsFan April 4, 2011 at 6:01 pm

          Never said anything about Wright for this year. Where is it written that REYES wants that contract? It’s all speculation from people who have no idea what Reyes is looking for. Even if we offer 5/90 or 6/100. I’m betting he’ll take it.
          • XtreemIcon April 4, 2011 at 7:10 pm

            Wright is a non-factor next year, too. As I said, he’s not part of that $60 million. Also, Reyes hasn’t and won’t say what he wants in a contract because he can’t, but you’re naive if you think he won’t explore free agency knowing that over-payers like the Yanks, Sox and Phillies all need a shortstop.
      • t agee April 4, 2011 at 5:07 pm

        Harvey coming up here next year would produce similar results to Pelfrey coming up in his first year as a pro. Duda can’t play RF, Kirk may be able to play CF or at least back it up but he isn’t likely to put up good offensive numbers in RF. Fern may give us something good in RF or not. Who knows with him. Mejia is the best hope for 2012 out of all of them and the first step in clearing our outfield logjam would be to trade Bay, install Duda/Evans and use SOME cash to get a RFer, 2B, RH hitting catcher in here via plan B or whatever you could get from Bay, trades during the season, rule 5 again, non tender or waiver wire.

        As for Reyes 5/90 right now. No one else except Colorado and Florida has a SS who can both field AND hit. He’ll only be 29, considering all the people we have taken a chance on throughout the years taking one on him in his 29, 30, 31, 32, and 33 year old years should be a no brainer.
        • SFloridaMetsFan April 4, 2011 at 7:18 pm

          Hanley can’t field. He’s horrible at SS. We don’t know if we will need a 2B right now. Emaus could be the answer. Same with Havens next year.
          • t agee April 4, 2011 at 7:27 pm

            Hanley is terrible in the field but it’s not for a lack of talent. Not to say I would take him over Reyes cause I wouldn’t but I was trying to express just how weak that position is throughout the Majors. Those two teams, the Chisox, LA w/Dee Gordon and Boston w/Iglesias/Lowrie are about the only teams that couldn’t use Reyes for the next 3 years bare minimum.

            Emaus and Havens COULD be the answer but some competition, depth and another possible answer wouldn’t kill us. I mean it has been a decade now you know.
  • Greg from Brooklyn April 4, 2011 at 4:48 pm

    Man I agree with you 100%.

    Names of some dudes who we got AFTER their prime years

    Duke Snider
    Gil Hodges
    Willie Mays
    Just kidding with those guys….

    Here we go..
    George Foster
    Johan Santana
    Jason Bay
    Louis Castillo
    Tom Glavine
    Pedro Martinez

    And who would they replace Reyes with?
    • any April 4, 2011 at 7:21 pm

      santana really wasn’t past his prime though. He just got hurt too much. Hell, he is younger than Cliff Lee, who is just starting a 5 year deal!

      all those other guys, you are right.
      • Greg from Brooklyn April 4, 2011 at 7:36 pm

        I know..I like Santana…but he threw 97 for the Twins and we get him…he throws 87. He’s still a competitor though.
        • t agee April 4, 2011 at 8:09 pm

          He was a great trade, only cost money, has pitched some great games for us, last year threw 200 innings at a 3.00 ERA. That’s not bad. If we had gotten anywhere near the same production from a dozen other guys we paid huge money to we’d be in great shape but the fact is they all get lumped in together. Out of a dozen guys, not one of them stayed on the field and they cost us when we really needed them and there were a few that we couldn’t wait to get rid of either so all in all it hasn’t worked out too well.
• 86mets April 4, 2011 at 3:31 pm

  It’s a bit early to be predicting this, isn’t it? A lot of factors come into play as to whether Reyes is traded or not and whether they keep him and re-sign him or let him walk. As for a mid year trade, the performance of the team will have a huge say in whether he gets moved or not. If the team is close enough, say no more than 6 games out, in July then it’s unlikely Reyes would be dealt. If they’re 10-12 games out and 7-8 games under .500 at that time then all bets are off and it’s more likely that Alderson will explore possible trades. But what if Reyes explodes in his walk year, say he’s hitting .300 with a .350-.370 OBP and leading the league in steals and/or triples going into the deadline? If the team stinks it makes his value in trade go way up, if the Mets are contending then re-signing him in the long term becomes more viable. I’m not saying that Reyes will perform anywhere close to those numbers. It’s too early, who knows? But again, 3 games into the season is too early to be wondering about Reyes’ future past July 31st. As for me, I hate the thought that Reyes might not be around past this season. I’m hoping for a big year from him so he’ll force the team to consider a long term extension. Of course, everyone could benefit (the team, the fans, and esp. Jose Reyes) if by some stroke of great fortune the Wilpons concede they cannot run this team any longer and sell the ENTIRE team to someone who CAN. But, that’s wishful thinking on my part! Let’s Go Mets!
• ravk April 4, 2011 at 3:48 pm

  Everyone looks at the Reyes issue through the prism of the Wilpon’s financial difficulties, and simply argue that the Mets do not have the money. There is another view which should be considered, regarding Reyes’ impact on the value of the franchise. It is well known that ownership is trying to sell a stake in the team. Certainly having Reyes locked up as a long term asset would increase the value of the team, allowing the Wilpons to raise the necessary capital, while minimizing the portion of the team they must sell. Letting him walk however would lead to the opposite outcome, forcing the Wilpons to give up more control.

  I don’t know if this would be enough, but I am curious about what the team’s value with and without Jose would be.
  • JerseyGuy276 April 4, 2011 at 6:37 pm

    I like how you put that. Reyes is a big part of this team and certainly raises our abilities to perform better offensively and defensively. You let him walk and the teams offense and defense suffer and thus any potential buyer will probably want some control if the Wilpon’s let him go, to keep them for letting such great talent go.
• Bayonne Mets Fan April 4, 2011 at 3:53 pm

  If somebody buys the Mets by the end of the summer or thereabouts than maybe that can change the situation. I don’t know so many people are going crazy over Tim McCarver’s comments, what did he say? That the Wilpons should sell sooner than later or something to that effect? Sounds good to me so maybe all is not lost with Reyes if we get new owners
• Lifelongetsfan April 4, 2011 at 4:32 pm

  We’re assuming it’s up to the Wilpon’s to sign or not sign Reyes. I’m not so sure the Mets haven’t been placed under some type of “receivership” with no formal announcements. How does a team that needs to “borrow” 25 million dollars from it’s league have the luxury of signing star players to mega contracts?
  I still stand by my prediction that the Mets trade Reyes to the Red Sox for Marco Scurtaro and a few of the Red Sox super duper minor league prospects. The good news is that major league baseball will not tolerate the an extended losing team in New York, It’s not like the 1970′s. As I have been saying since early December. The WIlpon’s hold on to the team and the Mets suffer through 3-5yrs of 3rd or 4th place finishes under the guise of rebuilding. What this 3-5yrs really is; is the financial rehabilitation of the Wilpons.
  • t agee April 4, 2011 at 6:39 pm

    I thought it possible that MLB “reassigned” Alderson to revive and revamp this franchise. But no Reyes? What then of Wright? The Fan Base will be gone by then.

    Even Montreal and Texas were allowed to add salary in 2002 and 2010 respectively.

    We’re not going to be adding payroll and revenue will continue to roll in too especially if this team can stay together and play some good ball.

    Scutero isn’t going to cut it though. If someone were to rent Reyes they would get back something like the 33rd best draft pick plus a pick anywhere from 18-30 or 45-60. There are TONS of good, very good and great players to be mined from those picks. Plus they get the inside track on resigning Reyes. Oh no. They’re gonna have to pay a hell of a lot more than Marco Scutero and a few super duper prospects that just lost three of them to SD. I’m thinking Mike Trout from the LAA’s. They need a SS in the absolute worst way. How bad? We’ll find out but I don’t see any reason why we can’t resign our signature player in a year where we have 60-80 M coming off the books. Hell I’d pay half of Bay’s salary to let him go elsewhere, that would save us another 30M. That and the 60 plus K-rod’s vest is 107M and Duda/Evans will give you more than Bay anyway.

    If they know what’s good for them, they’ll resign Jose (within reason) failing that the 2 picks would yield the most but if someone wants to blow us away, I’ll listen.
• Mr North Jersey April 4, 2011 at 5:21 pm

  Dynamic Duo. Nice!

  
• Metsie April 4, 2011 at 5:55 pm

  It must be an off day for the Mets…
  UnAttributed quotes saying reyes may not last the season and another discussion about how to spend money next year three games into the season!
  • Nester April 4, 2011 at 6:11 pm

    The worst part is that the team webiste is initiating it. It’s time for them to get some new writers on mets.com who wont dredge this same tired stuff every few weeks. I found the comic clips more interesting than the actual cry me a river post.
• any April 4, 2011 at 7:18 pm

  what soon after? They can resign reyes, and not have deal with Wright until after 2 more full seasons. That is practically an eternity in BB time!

  Even having to tighten the purse strings, there is plenty of money available to re up reyes. Basically they will just add Castillo’s salary to his next year, and be good to go!

  really ahrd to see them spending the money on any one else of significance (and 3 Garland/hudson level mid priced guys is not significant), so might as well keep Reyes around.

  gotta figure RF is going to be in house next year (F Mart? ), and 2B probably stays that way. Pagan is good for another year under contract.

  so that leaves most likely 1 SP that might get a heftier salary, and maybe a new closer (but odds are, that is on the cheap too).

  so unless you really think they will take the payroll below 100 next year, Reyes easily can be back.

  Now, if you want to save money, Bay is the guy I try and move!
• Nick April 4, 2011 at 7:55 pm

  for some reason i thought that they werent that close but had a mutual respect for each other, but this CLEARLY proves me wrong. they are my favorite players right now, and to see them split will send a stake through mets fans everywhere, and my even result in boy cots, i dont want to even know about it…
• Jonathan April 4, 2011 at 8:41 pm

  What Championship have the Mets won with these two guys? Thank You! I don’t have a fantasy team so I really don’t care about the stats of either Wright or Reyes. Let’s move on please. This team does not even have an ACE pitcher. Let’s focus on acquiring a dynamic duo on the mound that can pitch a solid 7 to 8 innings every 5th day. Let the kids (Duda, Emaus, etc.) play it out on the field instead of judging the events of the first 3 games of 162. It never ceases to amaze me how a lot of the folks on here are super satisfied with the status quo year in and year out. I’m a Mets fan because I want to win the whole damn thing, A World Series. I’m not clinging to a going on five year old playoff appearance. New GM, New Skipper, maybe New owners down the road. Why the same players with stats that make your FANTASY team SHINE while the real life team SUFFERS. Just saying…