Beltran Out With Knee Soreness, Duda Will Start In RF Tonight

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• Donal April 1, 2011 at 2:18 pm

  You, sir, are a jerk.
• Bayonne Mets Fan April 1, 2011 at 2:20 pm

  LOL!
• Liz April 1, 2011 at 2:21 pm

  You suck! You scared the hell out of me!
• Hitman April 1, 2011 at 2:23 pm

  Don’t scare me like that.
• t agee April 1, 2011 at 2:30 pm

  Simple. Just adopt the philosophy that you have to get off players at 32. Make the conscious decision that contracts end, not begin, at 31 or 32.

  No one could have expected that Carlos wouldn’t last through his contract but if HE can’t, who can you expect to?

  Obviously we’ve had millions of injuries and they can happen to anyone, but by far and away the vast majority have been to players over 31 or 32.

  Delgado, Beltran, Pedro, El-Duque, Moises, Bay, Castillo, Wagner, Valentin. This is what has cost us very promising seasons in 2006-2009.

  The “exceptions” would be Reyes, Church and Maine. I don’t believe Perez was ever really hurt.

  Face it the steroid era is over (for the most part) Time to wake up.
  • Drew April 1, 2011 at 2:35 pm

    Someone didn’t read the punchline….
  • Hitman April 1, 2011 at 2:40 pm

    Psst….read the LAST SENTENCE.
  • Met Maniac April 1, 2011 at 2:41 pm

    agee – You’re comment is funnier than the actual joke. It’s not real agee. What did you just read the title and start pounding on your keyboard? That’s too funny.
    • t agee April 1, 2011 at 3:23 pm

      Got me maniac. Probably just seemed so par for the course, but nontheless, snagged is snagged. Ah well, wasn’t the first time, won’t be the last.
      • Pete April 1, 2011 at 4:13 pm

        wanna great deal on a bridge in brooklyn?
  • METS62FAN April 2, 2011 at 9:37 am

    T, Perez not hurt? u shoud have been Vinnie Castillo’s defense attorney before the WBC committee that banned him for his treatment of Perez.

    BTW the vast majority of those we shouldda known betters were inked for specific surgical patch reasons, not as long term construction materials. T, as the commonly referred to period known s a player’s PRIME is generally described for positional players as ages 28-32, I believe pitchers start more closer to 30; but that’s because it takes them time to shed throwing & embrace pitching(Pelfrey’s next developmental step,IMO). T, you must have a beef with nearly every baseball expert out there because if your belief in this youth mantra was accurate, they’ve got our division rankings upside down since PHL & ATL are oldest while FL &DC are awash in near teens.

    BTW, how does your analysis favoring youthful exuberance over vetted experience account for the successes of NYY,BOS,PHL,ATL?
    • t agee April 2, 2011 at 10:05 am

      “62, Jose Luis Castillo?, Antonio Margarito? I’m not sure what or who your talking about. Those aged guys who got hurt may have been considered patchs but you cannot get the truest quality long term replacements if your giving up #1 ans #2 picks, not taking them back when you have a chance and blowing the picks when you do keep them.

      Position players true prime is 26-31. Pitchers may take a year or two more time and are very risky as prospects for both injury and development issues. Best to either draft 1-10, or go overslot for true quality, or just trade prospects or go type A free agent on them.

      Philly developed Howard, Rollins, Utley, Hamels and got real good production from Werth (non-tender + two picks) and Victorrino (rule 5) These 6 players formed the basis of their team and first foray into the post season which concluded with a World Championship they got without having much in the way of pitching. Getting old while going to the postseason 4 years in a row is one thing, getting old with the anticipation of going to the playoffs is another matter entirely. Pitchers handle age better than everyday position players who at the very least need rest, and their defense and baserunning suffer. Their everyday players are still within a decent age range and provide that core that everyone else has to fit into.

      Atlanta’s very old. Why Lowe, Hudson, Chipper. 3 tremendous players one of them a franchise Icon, all probably gone after this year. Have you checked on the age of their 5 pitching prospects in Baseball America’s top 100? Tehearan, Delgado, Minor, Beachy, Vizcaino? Or Jurjrens and Hunter? Or Heyward and Freeman? Or their younger veterans Prado and Mccann and Uggla’s 30 so he’s in that category for a 2-3 years of his 5 year deal. OK so very young rotation after this year, 5 of their starting 8 are 21-30 how bought their pen Kimbrell, Venters, O’flaherty?

      How about a comment from you on the Braves true age (not to mention quality) going forward ’62? Your closer to the situation down there than we are.
      • METS62FAN April 3, 2011 at 9:28 am

        T, how can u keep considering passing on draft picks u are not allowed to sign anytghing more than sacrificeing tyhe sleeves out of your vests? cabeeesh?
        The top first round talents typically demand more bonus $$$ than the pegged to sm mkt slots from Selig calls for. If you don’t allow your clhild to eat candy, how can their giving up candy for Lent be considered a sacrifice? T, I believe Minaya understiood well why he couldn’t consider or waste his top tier scouts on the Strauusbergs or Bryce Harpers out there. as that allowed him to focus his best scouts on the hinterland off the track players toiling out of sight, thius is how in the late rounds we got some more useful than usual bits like Murphy,ZEvans,Thole, Niese, I’m pretty certain after talking with that Rays’s scout lives around here.
        T, u com[plain about ALL the forsaken picks, if u can’t yse them to sign better than Kunz & Co. what good are they, certainly never as good as u envision or believe they’ll be. I’m geting tired of explaining how bdly the slot adhereance policy has destroyed our drafts & effects so many interelated areas. T, u keep projecting we coouldda haad, so & so that was picked wher we couldda been; since so few teams are bootlicking the slot’s shoes, perhaps u’ll realize we really wouldn’t have selected that guy; but more likely another Kunz. Don’t u get it, I understand your position is the right one; but I also understand you’re more likely to get Fred to fire Jeff than get it altered. Sandy may, I truly pray; but fans never will. T, let me know when your head hurts too much slamming into that Dam.
        • t agee April 3, 2011 at 10:47 am

          ’62, I’ve addressed this issue with you many times. Omar himself said he “might have to take that up with Ownership.” He knew the deal.

          I AM complaining about us not going over slot. I know that is the Wilpon mandate but it had got to change. That, more than any other single issue is why this team dissapoints year after year. It’s also responsible for the deep valley’s we frequently visit.

          Only Pittsburgh and Washington have more 90+ loss seasons in the last 20 years than we do, and while they have done it on a shoestring budget, we’ve done it with the highest payroll in the NL. Does this compute with you ’62?

          I am tired of the rationalizing Met Fans do. The whole “well you else were we going to get to play_________?” as if it’s perfectly understandable to make a bad free agent signing under the auspice of not having any credible prospects who, at the very least, could step in and possibly up like Ike did last year.

          I am also tired of Met Fans “understanding” that we draft for signability as opposed to talent, especially when we throw money around like confetti in the free agent market.

          I think it would be better to address the root cause of both these issues and demand change, rather than seeking to put the poor results into context by “understanding” the whole slotting issue.

          I mean what is the goal here ’62? Build a credible competent baseball team that can compete every single year for a World Championship or is it just to see who we can sign as a free agent at ticket renewel time to excite the masses?

          Step up Man. If the system doesn’t work, say so. Don’t seek to understand it. Change is needed. Don’t be afraid. We can positively put our results head to head against everyone else’s and come to the conclusion that we have been doing things backward.

          There is no reason a large market team has to cheap out in this area. What business can survive without paying attention to future years product?

          Even when we do draft or sign a truly talented prospect they get rushed up here right away so we don’t even get their full value.

          Pelfrey was brought up to the Majors his first professional season. His second year too, even though his walks had gone up, his K’s had come down and even the scouting director who drafted him (Russ Bove) said the whole reason he took him was his fastball/strikout rate in college. In other words the thing he liked most about him, didn’t translate so they bring him up anyway. Now they wonder why he hasn’t developed a change/curve/split or anything else to keep LH hitters off his ass and RH hitters indecisive.

          Things have got to change ’62. The Wilpon has been pulling a baseball version of a ponzi scam on us for years and now this time they have cost us the chance to add HIGH CEILING young players to the best two position players we have ever developed, and that is a real shame because if we could have added a Heyward, or a Posey, or a Lester, or a Stanton, or a Cain it would have made all the difference in the world.

          As not having traded Kazmir would have as well. If you look at his 2005-2008 and subtracted the rushing of Pelfrey, the starts of Lawrence, Williams, Sosa, Ect we probably win the whole thing in 2006 and we sure as hell don’t lose the post season by 1 or two games in 2007 and 2008.
          • t agee April 3, 2011 at 11:07 am

            And ’62. Did you check out how Kyle Drabek did last night? How nice would it be for us going forward to have him in our rotation for the next 6 years bare minimum?

            How about Jason Vargas? 6 2/3 5 hits 1 BB 1 run. Traded away for right now. Why? No prospect flow. Parnell another rushed prospect brought up in 2009 with just one pitch expected to cover the 7th and Putz imported to pitch the 8th, even though he has rib and elbow problems and a severely increased walk rate in 2008 and was on rehab part of the year. Not to mention the wisdom of including Chavez in that trade, with a rookie infielder manning LF on a team with two LH flyball pitchers in the starting rotation.

            The lack of top shelf fully developed and GROOMED prospects not only kills you in on field production, it increases the need for desperate moves like the Putz trade or Wagner signing that affect you for years to come.
          • METS62FAN April 4, 2011 at 2:20 pm

            So, T, if Omar “knew” “IT”, u know “IT” & I know “IT” why is it u always insist upon projeecting how picks like Drabeck may have looked since because of “IT” players like Draybeck would still be elsewhere while we’d have a few more Koonze’s?

            That’s why your shoulda,coulda,woulda’s are valueless to me & likely why those additional picks werre valuueless to Omar & should be to Sandy unless the mandate changes. T, unlike u, I refuse to be the hobo kid with his nose pressed to the elite restaurant’s window. Take my advice, you’ll be much less frustrated eating your gruell than imagining those sumptous T-bones.
            • Bayonne Mets Fan April 4, 2011 at 2:53 pm

              LMAO!!!!!!
            • t agee April 4, 2011 at 3:12 pm

              This is why ’62. I want to have the best team, not a mediocre one. Having drafted a Kyle Drabek is far superior to signing a Billy Wagner to a 4 year 44 M dollar contract in this way.

              Developing Drabek gives you a good starting pitcher at an average cost of 2M per year over 6, which allows you to pay for a free agent ace too. That’s far superior to paying a closer 11 M when your starting rotation is aged 34, 40, 40, and 40 and the closer you brought in is 24 too.

              If you don’t think having the best players during their best years is a big part of winning I don’t know what to tell you except to take a look at how successful the Wilpon’s checkbook ball has been since the days of Coleman, Saberhagen and Bonilla.

              Maybe your happy with that. I’m not.
              • Vinny B April 4, 2011 at 3:49 pm

                Having a very good closer in the playoffs in 06, and during Sept of 07 is far superior than having a draft pick. And if the Mets had that pick, how do you know we would have drafted Drabek anyway? Maybe we take Brett Sinkbeil instead? He was the pick right after Drabek.
              • t agee April 4, 2011 at 4:19 pm

                You don’t know. We could have gotten someone good, someone who bombed, you just never know. Same as with the free agent. You get good production, bad production or maybe they can’t stay on the field.

                One thing about first round draft choices though is that they are the players that by far and away play the best out of any other means of acquiring players and they do it at a very reasonable price which allows you to spend other dollars else where. They also don’t clog your roster or hamper your payroll like many of our free agents have through the years. They also can be included in trades for a big time ace like Lee or Halliday.

                Having a closer, especially after Sisk, Franco, Benetiz, Looper ect is a big deal. No doubt. But that doesn’t mean it always has to be a type A free agent. It could sometimes be a type B (no comp) or come in a trade, or God forbid, sometimes someone developed and prepared ahead of time from your own farm system.

                Looking at the big picture for a second Wagner, as well as he did pitch most of the time wasn’t even available for Game 7 2006 NLCS. He also pitched like s*** in that series when he was in. He was also unavailable down the stretch in 2007 and out almost all of 2008 and even blew a game against the NYY because he wasn’t “prepared to pitch in a non save situation.” So what’s your point Vinny. That Wagner was a sure thing?

                Tell you the truth we would have won the 2006 NL East without him. Florida was never more than 2 games over .500. Atlanta never more than 4 over (in May) Washington never was. Philly didn’t get over .500 until mid August and anytime after the 2006 regular season that we really needed Wagner he wasn’t available.

                Wagner did more for Philly by leaving than anything he did for us. He helped them get Halliday (and Blanton) and yet even in game 7 of the NLCS with a 9.50 ERA during the series we either couldn’t use him or didn’t want to.

                Now if we gave up the pick and then got two back when he left that would have been a good use of free agency but how anyone could claim that Wagner worked out well for us is beyond me. He actually worked out better for one of our two main adversaries than he did us.
              • Vinny B April 4, 2011 at 5:50 pm

                At the time we signed Wagner he was more valuable to us than a draft pick. We had a team that was capable of winning the WS, so adding a very good closer was better for us than having a draft pick who MIGHT be good later on.

                It was a risk, of course. And it looks like a bad move NOW because we didn’t win thw WS. BUT if we did, it would have been a GREAT move because that move would have helped us win our 1st WS since 86. Now if Omar knew we wouldn’t have won it, he obviously wouldn’t have signed him. But since he can’t tell the future, he took a chance because that move could have helped us win the WS that year – I’ll give up a draft pick to get a guy who gives me a better chance at winning the world series.
• 86mets April 1, 2011 at 2:32 pm

  That’s not as bad as over at MetsFever where Ed Ryan attempted an even worse April Fools prank: David Wright out w/ a hand laceration after cutting his hand while slicing a bagel! I think I’d rather have Beltran out than DWright. Happy April Fools Day……
• Kelly H April 1, 2011 at 2:33 pm

  IM GOING TO KICK YOUR NEW YORK ASS JOSEPH!!!
• Shamsky April 1, 2011 at 2:37 pm

  You had me at knee soreness. You’re supposed to rise above these types of posts. lol
• Jim April 1, 2011 at 2:50 pm

  I was hoping when I read the headline this was a really bad joke. THANK GOD!!
• Metguy April 1, 2011 at 3:01 pm

  thanks for wasting my time
  • Even Flow April 1, 2011 at 3:46 pm

    Like you were so busy…
• srt April 1, 2011 at 4:30 pm

  You got me.
• sarge April 1, 2011 at 7:04 pm

  Good one and at last some good news, at least he doesn’t have an appendectomy like Holliday for Cards.
• Clayton Collier April 1, 2011 at 7:20 pm

  HAHAHA JOE u got me good!