Potential Mets On Trading Block, Post Says Reyes Good As Gone

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• Mr North Jersey March 16, 2011 at 4:23 pm

  You know when I read the title “Potential Mets On Trading Block, Post Says Reyes Good As Gone” I thought there was some new trade rumor about a trade that involved Reyes.

  My fault for misinterpreting the title.

  Turns out it’s just another article that talks about players that could be traded at the trading deadline and about how Reyes may not resign with the Mets once he becomes a free agent.
  • Shamsky March 16, 2011 at 4:34 pm

    Turns out it’s just another article that talks about players that could be traded at the trading deadline and about how Reyes may not resign with the Mets once he becomes a free agent.

    Hence the title.
    • Mr North Jersey March 16, 2011 at 4:40 pm

      yup
  • METS62FAN March 17, 2011 at 12:03 pm

    North this is all typical nonsensical NYpress-BS(BULL-SPEC) as it’s illogical to presume Reyes’ demands to be Crawfordish & far reaching as he’s remained with his repreentative, Peter Greenberg, who got him inked in ’06 to a smaller deal(4/23M) than profered to Wright(6/55M)at the same time. If these no-nothings were viable in their asumptions wouldn’t Reyes have elected to jump onto Boras’ roster of clients just as Cano recently did?
    As I view Reyes as “THE MOST ESSENTIAL”MET Moneyball OBP & Mertrics be damned. As both methods are viable predictors of a player’s propensity to contribute towards winning. they are merely indicators, while Reyes has already provided hard irerefutable evidence as to his importance to NYM W-L records as over his entire 8 yr career, despite the myriad of topflight teammates surrounding him be it Pedro or Johan, Delgado or Davis Floyd,Alou or Bay. the ONLY SEASONS this franchise completed competitively above .500 were seasons in which Reyes garnered a minimum of 153G played a feat accomplished in 2005,2006,2007 & 2008. Each & every one of which showed a minimum of 83Ws(2005) I believe a reasonable contract offer of 5Y/71M sructured as follows gets the job done:
    $5M signing bonus up front
    11M in 2012
    12M in 2013
    13M in 2014*
    15M in 2015
    15M in 2016
    * I’d offer to include a mutual opt out clause after 3Y as protection for Reyes should he choose to renogiate for higher earnings @ a time when Picard is not an issue as well as club protection from continued injury issues.

    When I ascertain my regard for Reyes’ MOST ESSENTIAL status as a Met. I’m not only condidering positional players; but I’m including the entire 40 man roster incl pitchers

    I’m noted as one who has realized that King Santana is Naked in his capacity as #1 ACE.

    As regards his low run support excuse, it should br noted that in his 3 seasons as a NYM ’08 through ’10 Johan Santana has been victimizes by zero run support(shutout) only 5 times resulting in 5 losses & 1 no decision. those meager handful of games were:
    06/05/09 @ PHL w/ 7.0 IP 3H 2HR 2ER in 2-0 loss
    06/14/09 @ NYY w/3.0 IP 9H 9ER 1HR in 15-0 loss
    05/28/10 @ MLW w/ 8.0 IP 3H 0R 0ER 2BB 5K in no decision team loss 2-0
    06/20/10 @ NYY w/ 6.0 IP 5ER 6-0 LOSS
    06/26/10 V. MN w/6.0IP 4ER 4-0 LOSS

    With this suprising lack of shutouts against him, note none recorded in 2008 the concluiion I reach is the somewhat obvious inability to match well against the Johnsons,Halladays, and other Aces he’s typically matched against. No pitcher so matched should ever anticipate remarkable run support & without ever benefitting from a lopsided deluge of runs in his favor his avg support will typically remain low. Given he’s rarely lacked for any scoring, it’s unfeasible that he will ever surpass his apex 16Ws recorded in ’08 as a 29 yr old prior to any of his subsequent 3 surgeries. with more than 70M remaining on his contract, I believe, as soon as he shows to be recovered and capable Santana shouild be dealt to the highest bidder in top AA pitching prospects as a contingent to join Mejia in our much younger topflight inexpensive rotation for the teens, 2013-2019! It is unsupportable for any club to pay 23-25M per season to a pitcher incapable of exceeding 16 victories. Our biggest folly of the pat 5 yrs, incl Castillo & Perez!
• Donal March 16, 2011 at 4:25 pm

  I wonder what all the people who have Reyes on another team already will say if he resigns.
  • t agee March 16, 2011 at 5:00 pm

    I am really hopeing we resign him. To think that we could give Bay 80 M, Alou 15 M, Cora 4 M, Castillo 24 M, Perez 36 M, Putz 6 M, Schneider 10 M, Church 5 M and Francouer 5 M and not sign Jose is just sickening.
• Nick March 16, 2011 at 5:07 pm

  if they trade reyes, the fan base will collapse and citi field will be a ghost town.
  • Metstheory22 March 16, 2011 at 5:49 pm

    YES, I agree. I heard only 50 people were online to buy single game tickets as it is.
  • Bayonne Mets Fan March 16, 2011 at 6:08 pm

    It’s an absolute disgrace

    This new front office has already displayed an “I Quit” attitude. They inherited a lineup that was built to contend and they’ve done ABSOLUTELY NOTHING but try it fill holes as if it were broke. I don’t care what the budget was, this is New York, it’s a major league baseball club, like the Wilpons or not i’m sure there could’ve been a way to divvy up some money to help bring some better reinforcements instead of the GARBAGE job this front office has done for this team and this fan base.

    And this has nothing to do with the minors. They can continue to do what they’re doing with the minor leagues – THAT’S ANOTHER STORY. It has no bearing on what could have been done for this team right now and it’s a COMPLETE DISGRACE the way this front office is operating. And unless you’re one of his blind soldiers cold, stoic, emotionless Sandy Alderson has done NOTHING to make this fan base embrace him. NOTHING. And you know what? You get back what you give. NOTHING>
    • t agee March 16, 2011 at 6:41 pm

      The fact that we STILL don’t have a RFer or 2B has more to do with the minor leagues than any other single reason.

      Tell me why and how every other team in the Majors gets better play at these two positions than we do when we’ve out spent 25 of the 30 other franchisees?

      The only way we’ve addressed LF in the last 8 years is with free agency (100 M) a #1 and (2) #2 picks.

      2B was a bargain. Only 45 M over 8 years.

      The largest payroll in the NL over a 20 year period and we can’t even find a replacement for the one and only good 2B and RFer this team has ever developed.

      Well at least we haven’t angered the Commisioner by going over slot to FINALLY get someone in here who can be better than worst.
    • XtreemIcon March 16, 2011 at 6:48 pm

      That kind of cavalier attitude towards payroll is what got the Mets in trouble in the first place. “I don’t care, this is NY” is such a defeatist attitude. Who cares, throw money at it. Who cares about spending smart and not putting the team in hole in the future? Who cares about actually building an organization? Omar didn’t, and his sycophant soldiers love it. It’s the best way to go. Look at all the success the Mets have had recently. Oh, wait……
      • Marla Hooch March 16, 2011 at 7:01 pm

        Right on – because throwing money has really worked the ast 6 years…….look at all those titles……..oh wait sorry it was AARP Members.

        Some in this fan base really make me scratch my head. They’ve lived under a rock – defend the guy that threw money at guys like Schwoenwiess yet scream at the new GM that has nothing to work with because so much money is tied up in CRAP.
        • XtreemIcon March 16, 2011 at 7:09 pm

          And the best part is the insane claim that “if Omar had made these moves, everyone would be screaming at him.” As if the two could be conmpared. If Omar had made those moves, he’d likely still be the GM because he wouldn’t completely killed the future of the team to make them. Those Minaya lovers can’t see the forest through the trees. Sure, the Mets have some good, young players now, but Omar signed FAs and gave away picks from 05-07, and NOW some guys are ready. Most aren’t yet.

          He ruined the franchise for literally five years with his spend spend spend with no regards to the future. He was probably hoping a WS in 2006 would make everyone look the other way. Sadly, he was probably right in that, but we’ll never know.
        • t agee March 16, 2011 at 7:14 pm

          It is the inability to connect the cause with the failure.

          Once again it looks likely we will be getting the leagues worst offense from RF and 2B and who knows, possibly LF as well.

          Fixing all your problems by throwing duffel bags of cash at the problem doesn’t work anywhere, certainly not baseball.
          • Vinny B March 16, 2011 at 7:22 pm

            You think there are 29 other LFers that are better than Bay? And Carlos Beltran is our RF….. You think there are 29 better RFers than him?

            come on.
            • t agee March 16, 2011 at 9:08 pm

              I’m talking about what we’re going to get from them this year.

              See, that’s the thing about Met Fans, maybe all fans. You think of Carlos Beltran the way he was in 2002, 2004, 2006, 2008 but you have to adjust your mindset. I’d love Carlos to be the way he was in 2006 but how realistic is that? I’d be very happy with 50% of that, but no. I don’t think we’ll get 50% of 2006, not at all.

              Jason Bay? Same thing. You guys look at him as the Pirate who joined that stacked line up and Green Monster in Fenway and kept it up. Now the pressure’s off to get the contract, bit it’s on to live up to the contract. He used to be the guy that would get pitched to. Not anymore. Big holes in the swing, big park, big contract, big expectations, big hat, no cattle.

              What does the avg LFer hit? I’ll guess it’s something like .285 30 110. We’ll get at best .260 20 75. At best.

              Pay the most, get the least, or in Bay’s case a lot less than you thought.
              • XtreemIcon March 16, 2011 at 9:26 pm

                Pretty good guess on the average, way overshot on the power. Using a minimum of 500 PAs, the average LF last season averaged roughly .286/18/80. Keep in mind Juan Pierre, Brett Gardner, Melky Carbrera, Rajai Davis and Scott Podsednik were all full time left fielders last season.
              • Vinny B March 16, 2011 at 9:29 pm

                I’m also talking about what we’re going to get from them this year.

                Carlos beltran is still a good hitter. He hit really well at the end of last year. And you’re gonna say Bay isn’t a good hitter because of ONE year? Really? Were you saying Wright was the worst 3B in the league after 09? and Bay didn’t even play 100 games last year.

                There is no way they are worst LF and RF in the majors. I bet Greg Poems wouldn’t even say that – although with him you never know.
              • t agee March 16, 2011 at 9:43 pm

                Thanks X. I guess I’m wrong. Maybe we will get average traditional offense from LF. I’m surprised it’s that low though I always thought of LF as being your biggest bat but it makes sense with the guys you listed playing there.

                Carlos will be a good hitter for the rest of his life but if he can’t stay on the field Vinny he’s not going to produce.

                Wright has nothing to do with Bay. Bay’s 33, unprotected (or protected by guys with big platoon splits) but based on my revised understanding of average LF, I would say that’s about where he’ll be. Lower on the average and way too high on the strikeouts.
              • XtreemIcon March 16, 2011 at 9:47 pm

                I’ll give Bay a .260/.350/.485 estimate this season. He’ll hit about 22 home runs and as always, his RBIs will be dependant on the opportunities he gets from the guys in front of him. If the three guys in front of him average a .350 or so OBP, he can get to 100.
    • Marla Hooch March 16, 2011 at 6:59 pm

      Where you under a rock for the last 6 years?

      What is a disgrace is your complete ignorance if you think that we were/are just that close. You say you know baseball that is a joke.

      I can’t believe anyone is dumb enough to think that SA was going to come in here and fix all the crap he inherited before A FRIGGEN PITCH AS BEEN THROWN

      YOU ARE THE DISGRACE – I’M SICK OF YOUR RANTS – SAME GARBAGE EVERY DAY.
      • t agee March 16, 2011 at 7:16 pm

        The only thing we’re close to after spending a billion dollars in 6 years is Washington….and getting closer everyday.
      • Vinny B March 16, 2011 at 7:17 pm

        So you don’t think we are close to being a playoff team? Why? I think we are very close.
        • XtreemIcon March 16, 2011 at 7:25 pm

          I think the Mets can be a conteder for the WC if a ton of things go perfectly. That’s the problem. Too many ifs. I’d be more surpised if the Mets win the WC than I would be if they finished last. The core of this team has bees the same for hte last five years.

          How many seasons does the prognosis start with, “Well, Beltran has to stay healthy.” “They need to get some solid pitching from the back end of their rotation.” And all kinds of questions like that. And those same questions that have been asked of the previous fourth place teams are being asked now. How is this year any differet?

          Now we have to add the health of Reyes. He hasn’t been healthy in two years. Can the $80 million left fielder salvage any part of his unwarranted contract?
          • Vinny B March 16, 2011 at 7:27 pm

            I bet if you looked around the league, most teams would have a lot of “ifs” too.
            • XtreemIcon March 16, 2011 at 7:30 pm

              No question. But would they have the same ifs they’ve had the past four seasons, all of which ended poorly?
              • Vinny B March 16, 2011 at 7:41 pm

                Our team has changed a lot in four years. We are a much younger than we were then, and a lot of our young players have very bright futures.
              • XtreemIcon March 16, 2011 at 7:45 pm

                Agreed, as I said earlier. But it took this long to get there. And the “future” won’t be ready till next year and probably won’t REALLY impact till 2013. Omar spend money in picks in ’05-’07, the effects of the lack of planning was felt from ’08-’11 and seven years after he spent his first dime, the Mets seem to be ready to recover. How is that good business?
    • Donal March 16, 2011 at 7:53 pm

      “they’ve done ABSOLUTELY NOTHING but try it fill holes as if it were broke. ”

      such as?

      “I don’t care what the budget was, ”

      Well, you’re not signing the checks, so why should you?

      “this is New York,”

      Thanks for the geography lesson

      “it’s a major league baseball club,”

      So are the Nationals. You’re point?

      “like the Wilpons or not i’m sure there could’ve been a way to divvy up some money to help bring some better reinforcements instead of the GARBAGE job this front office has done for this team and this fan base. ”

      I thought there were no holes to fix. What should they have spent the cash on?

      “It has no bearing on what could have been done for this team right now and it’s a COMPLETE DISGRACE the way this front office is operating. ”

      What specifically should they have done?Gice Kevin Millwood $8 million?

      “And unless you’re one of his blind soldiers cold, stoic, emotionless Sandy Alderson has done NOTHING to make this fan base embrace him. NOTHING. ”

      So, if I disagree with you, I’m a blind soldier? Well, I can see this being yet another productive conversation.

      “And you know what? You get back what you give. NOTHING>”

      Last year, they Mets gave out $140 million in payroll. What did they get back?
      • stick March 16, 2011 at 9:33 pm

        “they’ve done ABSOLUTELY NOTHING but try it fill holes as if it were broke. ”

        what’s with the As If? They were broke!

        I don’t understand the concept of they did “nothing”.

        They got 2 new SPs to fill out the rotation (both looking fine so far in ST).

        They added a number of RP options, and so far the pen is looking promising.

        They added some bench strength, much of which has also looked promising.

        No, they did not spend huge $$s or bring in any big names, but that wasn’t likely to happen anyway, since Omar pretty much spent THIS years budget LAST year.
• Satish Ram March 16, 2011 at 7:17 pm

  I really hope that they find a way to keep Reyes and if Alderson already has it set that he’s not going to re-sign him (nobody can confirm that or even speculate there), then we’ll see him gone at the deadline regardless.

  “The Mets and Pirates strike me as two teams unlikely to contend in 2011. The Nationals, Astros, Diamondbacks, and Padres all made win-now type moves this offseason, but at least a few of these teams will be below .500 on July 31st.”

  Hell are we doing in the same conversation as the Astros and the Mets?

  Watch out for the Nationals…seriously. They’ve got so many up and coming draft picks and they picked up Werth. Interesting year for them. I’m really scared for when their pitching develops.
• sarge March 16, 2011 at 11:35 pm

  I thought this was a Jose Reyes post?

  The fact that a “writer” can rehash an old story about Reyes and can’t find anything new or interesting about Mets to write about is so sad.

  Jose’s spot on this team and franchise can’t be over looked and just given up on cause there is no contract extension.

  He is one of the most exciting players on Mets and baseball and he is a player that Met fans make part of their watching experience plus all he does in community along with Dr. Reyes at stadium.

  Reyes along with David, his extension needs to be done before off season, Pelf, Pagan, Ike, Thole, Parnell, Niese on major league roster along with Mejia, Duda, F-Mart (if healthy), Gee, Hays, Captain Kirk gives some current and future prospects for Mets better than the past.

  With Johan coming back in July, Aug, it will provide a boost to staff and if Mets are in contention, all dependent on how many games Beltran plays, then I believe this will be a good year to build on for future.

  All, I believe is dependent on Mets keeping David, Ike, Jose, Thole together in infield growing together as team matures, but this year’s success will depend on how much Beltran plays or if not, whether F-Mart or Duda can fill in on part time basis.

  Please come up with something new or just don’t write to see your name in the by line, Kernan, sheesh.
  LGM!
  • peter osorio March 19, 2011 at 1:13 am

    I JUST CAN’T BELIEVE IT !!!!!! WILL THIS STUPID NONSENSE END ALREADY !!!!! REYES SHOULD NOT NOT NOT GO ANYWHERE !!!!! NO ONE IN THE ENTIRE MAJOR LEAGUES CAN REPLACE HIM !!!!! JUST BECAUSE SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE DONE TO IMPROVE THE TEAM DOES’NT MEAN SOME AS STUPID AND EXTREME AS TRADING THE BEST LEAD OFF HITTER, SHORTSTOP AND MOST EXCITING PLAYER WE HAVE EVER HAD !!!!! THERE IS NOT A TEAM IN THE MAJORS THAT WOULD NOT LOVE TO HAVE HIM YET WE HAVE SHORTSIGHTED AND DESPERATE FANS AND WRITERS LOOKING TO FILL SOME PRINT SPACE TALKING ABOUT TRADING REYES. YOU SHOULD ALL BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELVES !!!!!
• Metsie March 17, 2011 at 11:13 am

  I have yet to see one article from this Post writer that shows even a hint of insight on his part.

  I mean Harry C shows more insight than this guy!
  I think he is just pissed he drew the Mets and not the yankees at work.