Pedro Feliciano Could Start Season On DL

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• t agee March 26, 2011 at 11:38 am

  It was a good move by Alderson but it’s not really something other GM’s don’t routinely do. Recycle good players into other good players and the only way to do that is to know when to say when. Even if Pedro was to last 2 years with the NYY the prospect we get for losing him might wind up playing 2B, RF, or LF for 6-10 years. How many bad free agent signings could that prevent? That prospect could also be bundled with another couple and get us a frontline pitcher. Pedro wasn’t going to last forever. Good move. About time.
  • METS62FAN March 27, 2011 at 10:24 am

    T, there u go again, every pick is a potential star & not an Abner,Stanton,Escobar probabilities says more likely the latter than the former. What’s that dismal % of picks making it through to “THE SHOW”?
    • t agee March 27, 2011 at 10:40 am

      ’62, 75% of first round picks make it to the majors, and that’s where you find the one’s who play the best. Now maybe the 1-10 picks are (hopefully) unavailable to us but by keeping your own pick and letting a guy go every year you can still get very talented players.

      News flash ’62, the team with the players who play the best (not used to) have a big advantage over other teams.

      Even if you don’t get a guy who you want starting for you he could at least hold 2B do you don’t have to sign a Luis Castillo.

      Look around ’62. No one else builds a team by free agency.

      Duda, Thole, Murphy, Evans are guys drafted in the 7th to the 13th round. Not complete players like say a Jason Heyward. You can fill in with theses types but you need a few of the Heyward type to win.

      You should know better than to knock the farm ’62 where you live. Don’t you ever read about those draft picks and IFA on the Braves in the headlines everyday.

      The best players by far come from the first and second round and they play there best before they become free agent elidgeable. Wouldn’t it make sense to get more of them here rather than less?
      • METS62FAN March 28, 2011 at 1:26 pm

        T, I’m certainly NOT knocking the concept of building through the draft by any means; however, I DO NOT believe it is something theis franchise has ever been adept at doing be it Scouting, MiLB leasdership or whatever, there are certainly many more busts than rockets in our history, be it those that made it Milner,Garrett,Brooks,Elster,Timo,Endy the word BUT too prominantly became obvious with each & every one. I’m not certain what it is; but most assuredly it seems those we dealt fared much better than those we held in most cases(exclusions certainly Dykstra,Backman,Mookie,Straw,Reyes,Wright having dealt Stanton,Otis,Renteria It’ds an astonishing factor that persists through 4 Owners & a dozrn GMs The ONLY constant has been THE FANS, who as I’ve explained are very short on patience with the majority being blind to the development curve. T, being seated alongside NYY on the train the NYM fans having tasted both unremarkable & remarkable seasons no longer seem willing to tolerate the time & study necessary to complete F/A independence, much as it is diffiult to ween the American culture off imported fossil fuel dependence

        T, even now with ALL the evidence of financial restrictions we’re still encountering those speculating yupon the Pujols’ & NOT the future Straussbergs.

        Above I deliberately kept my comparisons to positional development rather than review the pitcxhing development success we’ve managed. T, like so many GMs in our wake, I still belierve that restructuring this team corerectly based upon draft picks & Int; signings will not be tolerated well by the fan base unless Ownership has the determination to preempt Beer Money reruns in favor of highlighting the efforts of our future foundational players competing in the various hinterlands so that they can actually see what the future may have in store. Unfortunately it’s “outta sight, outta mind” for too many of the fannies we rely upon for those seats. Omar certainly had his function, before him, major free agents were “out of serious consideration” just like today. Wityhout a decent pipeline to look towards, those seats are gathering dust & spilt mustard.
• srt March 26, 2011 at 11:49 am

  Loved Pedro for the years and consistency he gave the Mets but it was time to part ways. 4 MIL for him was too steep.

  I’m reading that Luis Ayala might take his place in the BP. Ayala? I didn’t know he signed with the Yankees.
  • stick March 26, 2011 at 9:39 pm

    ayala, colon, millwood, garcia?

    230 million just does not go as far as it used to!
    • Mr North Jersey March 26, 2011 at 9:41 pm

      lol
    • srt March 26, 2011 at 11:32 pm

      Anyone else think they just took it for granted they were going to sign Lee and had no back up plan when that fell through?

      That pitching staff mostly looks like…well, crap.
    • METS62FAN March 27, 2011 at 10:27 am

      Stick & the proof we’ve a more competant sherriff is our counterparts being Byrdak,Young,Capuano for pocjket change or thereabouts.
    • Pete March 27, 2011 at 12:07 pm

      Good one stick. And this is exactly why I said, at the time, to let Pedro walk. He had pitched so much the last three seasons, that an injury was inevitable. He can thank Jerry Manuel for that. His arm was shot already when he signed that huge deal with the Yankees. I always knew Manuel was a bad manager for the Mets, but he was so bad he even hurt the Yankees chances this year.
• Kelly H March 26, 2011 at 11:51 am

  he used to be my favorite lefty… used to be. sounds like karma to me.
• Metsie March 26, 2011 at 12:06 pm

  Pitchers these days are like Cars…

  a 2010 model with 100,000 miles is still more likely to break down than a 67 Chevy with only 10,000 miles on it!

  We pretty much overused Pedro and it does not surprise me that he is now starting to have injury issues
  • Pete March 27, 2011 at 12:08 pm

    On the other hand, Byrdak has been very lightly used and has relatively “low mileage”.
• Mr North Jersey March 26, 2011 at 12:50 pm

  I wish Feliciano the best and hope he gets well soon. Just that he struggles whenever he plays us. Say for example in the 2011 World Series?
• Hitman March 26, 2011 at 2:09 pm

  I was glad they passed on Pedro “It’s been a lifelong dream to be a Yankee” Feliciano. You had to know something like this was coming.
• Met Maniac March 26, 2011 at 3:23 pm

  Oh please. Spare us your wit. Alderson didn’t pass up on Feliciano because he was wary of his arm. Feliciano was an iron man his whole career. Alderson passed because of money. The Mets could not afford to pay him 8 million for two years, that was their budget for the entire offseason. If Feliciano has a tremendous first half, I expect a sequel to this post saying Alderson goofed big time.
  • srt March 26, 2011 at 11:33 pm

    lolwut?

    Good – he should have ‘passed’ because of the money.
  • Donal March 27, 2011 at 8:04 am

    I wouldn’t be surprised. Pomes does still write here…occasionally.

    Even if Feliciano does have a big first half, so what? He has such limited use there is no way to justify $8 million. Not on this team as it currently is.
  • JerryG15 March 27, 2011 at 9:54 am

    That is why Alderson is considerably smarter then his predecessor, spending 8m on a lefy specialist is completely irresponsible.
• Bayonne Mets Fan March 26, 2011 at 3:26 pm

  ALL of Craig Lerner’s posts are about Mets success based on the sabermetric philosophy he believe instead of just sticking to baseball. The majority of this site’s readers know it but he don’t care. It’s moneyball or death with this guy. Lerner is a phony.
  • Des March 26, 2011 at 4:36 pm

    Bayonne — Your views and Craig’s views are part of what makes baseball so compelling to me. Whether we as individuals love it or despise it, the sabermetrics approach is driving a lot of decisions in baseball. Because of this newer quantitative view, the sport of baseball and business of baseball are tied together with collective experiences, personal insight, older statistical views, and now, this saber stuff. Good ideas will survive. Weak or bad ideas will go bye bye. The issues will take care of themselves.
    • Bayonne Mets Fan March 26, 2011 at 4:47 pm

      The word Quantitive is used when I’m using Final Cut Pro or when adjusting the settings when compressing video files…you don’t use it for baseball. I know people like to feel that they sound smarter using that word and it makes you feel smarter but it doesn’t. This is baseball. I think some people like to talk that way because it gives them some time of elite feeling.

      It doesn’t. I know a lot of big words too but I don’t like to use them when it’s not warranted because it usually only serves the needs of the people using those words not the readers.
      • Metsie March 26, 2011 at 5:57 pm

        The word is Quantitative

        But Quantitive is also used in Data modeling.
        Mostly in Financial instances.

        In those cases it is a variable not a proccess.
      • Des March 26, 2011 at 6:46 pm

        Bayonne, there is no need to disparage other points of view. Personally I’ve used the term ‘quantitative’ in the software models and simulation analyses I’ve done for 25 years. It is used for all sorts of mathematical queueing wait times. It is very common. To me and many engineers and financial analysts it is not a ‘big word. It is an everyday word. I treat you as a smart person as I think you’d like to be treated. Any disagreement?
        • Metsie March 26, 2011 at 9:24 pm

          Maybe…LOL
        • JerryG15 March 27, 2011 at 9:56 am

          Are we really discussing the words used in a counter-argument? Seriously?
• Des March 26, 2011 at 4:08 pm

  Pedro Feliciano is a tremendously well conditioned athlete. He has been a stud for us. I expect him to bounce back after his sore left triceps is treated. Best of luck, Petey.
  • Metsie March 26, 2011 at 9:26 pm

    Well conditioned is good but even well conditioned has no affect on joints and Cartiledge and bones.

    Age is what affects those most and Pedro is no spring chicken.
    I doubt he will finish out that contract.

    I hope he does though because while he was here he gave us his all and I don’t really care what jersey he is wearing I wish that guy well!
    • stick March 26, 2011 at 9:46 pm

      talk to the phils. Brad Lidge is a well conditioned athlete, also with a ton of mileage on him, that is also breaking down in many areas. Just the nature of the aging pitcher.
      • Des March 26, 2011 at 11:16 pm

        Hey, Stick. You’re doing a bit of data mining.

        I’ll do mine. Tell your aging pitcher woes to Satchel Page!! He pitched until he was 60 years old and threw three shutout innings in his last appearance for Kansas City in the American League. lol
        • Metsie March 27, 2011 at 10:33 am

          Much differnt era where you didn’t have to throw 90+ MPH just to be a 4th starter!

          There was no such thing as Pitch counts
          No such thing as middle relief 8th Inning set up guy and a closer.

          No 5 minutes between every pitch because someone stepped out of the batters box.

          No Pitching coaches messing with Mechanics and arm angle.

          No Screwballs or Split Fingers to put stress on your elbow

          Just step up throw the ball!