Mets Hitters Walking More, Starters Allowing Fewer Runs

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• t agee March 21, 2011 at 2:16 pm

  I think you right about Thole hitting #2 Craig, at least when facing a RH pitcher. If Wright were to be hitting 3 it would prevent a manager from bringing in a LHP to face Thole, so that would be well conceived.
  • Donal March 21, 2011 at 2:36 pm

    Thats something I’ve asked before. I think if Thole can prove that last year wasn’t a fluke, he should be able to move to the #2 spot. Put Pagan in the middle of the order if Beltran is going to be missing significant time.
• Bayonne Mets Fan March 21, 2011 at 2:39 pm

  As long as Pagan is HITTING his OBP will be fine, it always is that way. If he was hitting .237 than it’s a different story. He is not up at bat consciously thinking to himself about his on base percentage. When he’s at bat his eyes are on that pitcher, following the ball off his hand and to the bat. His natural ability and style will dictate what his numbers are. He’s a good hitter with a natural nice batting eye so it’s not surprise what he’ll do because that’s his style.

  And we always were discussing that the Mets needed a new hitting coach and a new approach to hitting anyway so this is not born out of any type of philosophy like this author ALWAYS likes to preach.

  I’m interested in winning games, the author is interested in succeeding with a sabermetric/moneyball philosophy first before is concerned about winning ball games.
  • Bayonne Mets Fan March 21, 2011 at 3:16 pm

    To add to my point, as of this writing Pagan has now struck out 3 times today and maybe his AVG has fallen below .270. Of course it’s just a bad game nothing you can do about that but my point is as long as he’s HITTING then you can talk about his on base percentage from here until Moneyball the Sequel comes out.
    • Mr North Jersey March 21, 2011 at 3:21 pm

      I think baseball is big enough to allow those that want to talk about OBP to do so when they wish and those that want to talk about hitting to do so when they wish.
      • Bayonne Mets Fan March 21, 2011 at 3:58 pm

        Why don’t you just get a God-Danmed job instead of sitting here on a Monday afternoon all day and don’t worry about who talks about what and how they do it. You of all people shouldn’t be judging how people carry themselves. Here’s a link to North Jersey craigslist.
        http://newjersey.craigslist.org/fbh/

        I know people who have waited tables in restaurants to help make ends meet instead of sitting at home for over a year and yet you sit here everyday actually commenting on how things should be commented on. Take a hike and stop living on our tax dollars you creep.
        • Berbalerbs March 21, 2011 at 4:14 pm

          Grandpa forgot his medicine again.
        • Mr North Jersey March 21, 2011 at 5:32 pm

          If there is anyone judging here it is you with your desire to tell ppl they are wrong to focus on OBP and should instead focus on hitting so I find it interesting that a comment saying there is room for both sides gets such a response from you.

          Furthermore your continued desire to speak of me as if you have any idea of what my personal life consists of or as if it is even relevant to the topic at hand or God forbid any of your busines only speaks to the type of character you posess where nothing is out of bounds not a man’s wife and not a man’s mother as you have shown time and time again.

          You for 1 minute think that your replies will lead to me avoiding you when all i have ever done is engaged in the same discussion every1 else is afforded?

          You are greatly mistaken if you do. I will continue to address you and anyone else when I feel it is relevant and I will continue to remind all to be respectfull whenever it needs to be said.

          Here again are the comment guidelines I suggest you read them though I do not know if it will make a difference.
          http://metsmerizedonline.com/comment-guidelines
          • t agee March 21, 2011 at 5:51 pm

            I would add that these constant non baseball related personal insults are as childish as it gets and a sure sign of inability to hold a rational adult discussion about a topic and a Team we all root for.

            We’re guys, for the most part. We can kid around with each other but really, bringing up someone’s personal life in a mean spirited way is below low class. Well below low class.
            • Des March 21, 2011 at 6:09 pm

              Bringing the idea maturity into this discussion is refreshing!!!

              You’re aa optimist, tag!!
              • Bayonne Mets Fan March 21, 2011 at 7:07 pm

                Ha ha, great answer baby fonzie al, something must be in the water if i’m agreeing w/baby al so much (who i swear must wear a cabbie’s hat, have a 5 o’clock shadow and chomps on a nice big stogie). That’s my image of baby al anyway.
                Des (The Travel Agent) and baby al have ripped me to shreds numerous times and al even has me pushing carts up the block from Shop Rite. I don’t mind cuz i gotta lay in the bed i make..and it’s funny too. The other clown is just a freeloader who’s been told billions of times to go play w/the other kids but he can’t resist his urges to keep coming back to this kid so every so often he’s gonna get what’s coming to him…like someone once said..he’s the king of the Lilywhite post.
              • baby al March 21, 2011 at 6:41 pm

                i am all for maturity …i am for insults too. so i guess i agree with everybody for a change!
              • Mr North Jersey March 21, 2011 at 7:48 pm

                “Des (The Travel Agent) and baby al have ripped me to shreds numerous times and al even has me pushing carts up the block from Shop Rite. I don’t mind cuz i gotta lay in the bed i make”

                Yet the guy that doesn’t mind laying in the bed he makes rants like a child who is told to go to bed and has a tantrum because he can’t handle a simple comment by me as an adult.

                The same guy that gets offended when told he doesn’t understand something. The same guy that would rather bring down the shoutbox simply because he can’t disagree without killing the box with vulgarities then like a hypocrite tries to apologize to anyone who will listen for doing something he knows full well he has every intention to continue to do and then has the audacity to say he couldn’t help it that “I MADE HIM DO IT” showing again how much of a child he is that he can’t take responsobility for his actions.

                Yeah you gotta lay in your bed allright. Now if you can do it as an adult is the question.
        • Des March 21, 2011 at 6:12 pm

          Nasty, nasty!!1

          MNJ is a good guy, so why the insults?
        • srt March 21, 2011 at 7:31 pm

          I wish you’d stop with the personal insults, Bayonne. You’re making it difficult for those of us who want to keep coming here and engage in a Met related debate.

          Sometimes, it’s hard to even tell you’re a Met fan.
          • Bayonne Mets Fan March 21, 2011 at 7:39 pm

            well tell your buddy to stop following the kids who don’t want to play with him around. Tell him there’s many other kids to play with that will play back with him and everything will be just fine. He’s been ASKED that repeatedly for months and very nicely in the beginning. ANd you’re buddy doesn’t keep it Mets related all the time too so just keep that in mind.
            • srt March 21, 2011 at 7:51 pm

              My buddy?

              I only asked to keep the personal insults out of the disagreement. I wasn’t trying to make this a ‘you against him’ or ‘me and NJ against you’ type of debate.

              O.K.?
            • Mr North Jersey March 21, 2011 at 7:53 pm

              I am glad you finally see youself as a kid. That is the 1st step to growing up.
    • any March 21, 2011 at 3:25 pm

      he is only going to get a hit about 30+/-% of the time no matter what. So yes, I do care about what he does the other 70% of the time.

      if instead of getting himself out swing at pitchers pitches (out of the zone), if he can lay off that and convert another 5% of his ABs into BBs (taking his OBP from .325 to .375 in this case), then he is absolutely more valuable to the team being on base 25-30 more times in front of the 3.4.5 hitters (giving them more RBI opportunities).

      it certainly does not mean switch to a castillo approach of never swing unless you have no other choice!
      • Bayonne Mets Fan March 21, 2011 at 3:54 pm

        That’s a clever way to break it down any but it still is the same. Ballplayers will slump no matter who they are so if he’s hitting .248 for a long period of time than it doesn’t matter. He has a decent eye anyway, always will. So it’s all relative.

        Keeping it simple – he just has to HIT. And to be honest, I think he will.