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		<title>By: JerryG15</title>
		<link>http://metsmerizedonline.com/2011/03/lets-not-go-overboard-with-praising-alderson.html#comment-142835</link>
		<dc:creator>JerryG15</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Mar 2011 11:44:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s not a lovefest - it&#039;s people just countering the hatefest before the season even starts.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not a lovefest &#8211; it&#8217;s people just countering the hatefest before the season even starts.</p>
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		<title>By: Berbalerbs</title>
		<link>http://metsmerizedonline.com/2011/03/lets-not-go-overboard-with-praising-alderson.html#comment-142731</link>
		<dc:creator>Berbalerbs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Mar 2011 22:56:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Payroll isn&#039;t the be-all end-all, I will happily admit that. But it does matter. That&#039;s all I&#039;m sayin.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Payroll isn&#8217;t the be-all end-all, I will happily admit that. But it does matter. That&#8217;s all I&#8217;m sayin.</p>
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		<title>By: Donal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Donal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Mar 2011 21:12:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[High payroll is an advantage, but its a wasted advantage if you don&#039;t use it right. Like a good minor league system.

Can you imagine a team that can draft and develop like the Royals or the Rays but have a top 5 payroll?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>High payroll is an advantage, but its a wasted advantage if you don&#8217;t use it right. Like a good minor league system.</p>
<p>Can you imagine a team that can draft and develop like the Royals or the Rays but have a top 5 payroll?</p>
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		<title>By: Vinny B</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vinny B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Mar 2011 21:07:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Okay, why did we have two losing seasons with a high payroll?  why did the Marlins won the WS with a very low payroll in 2003? The Twins always do good with a low payroll and so do the Rays - if payroll mattered then why are they doing good?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, why did we have two losing seasons with a high payroll?  why did the Marlins won the WS with a very low payroll in 2003? The Twins always do good with a low payroll and so do the Rays &#8211; if payroll mattered then why are they doing good?</p>
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		<title>By: Berbalerbs</title>
		<link>http://metsmerizedonline.com/2011/03/lets-not-go-overboard-with-praising-alderson.html#comment-142709</link>
		<dc:creator>Berbalerbs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Mar 2011 20:54:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Payroll doesn’t matter.&lt;/i&gt;

So the Yankees have 27 World Championships because they&#039;re really really really lucky then?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Payroll doesn’t matter.</i></p>
<p>So the Yankees have 27 World Championships because they&#8217;re really really really lucky then?</p>
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		<title>By: Mr North Jersey</title>
		<link>http://metsmerizedonline.com/2011/03/lets-not-go-overboard-with-praising-alderson.html#comment-142694</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr North Jersey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Mar 2011 19:37:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The interesting thing is that at last count the word Genius shows up 21 times in this post (including the use of it just now) and the 1st time it is said is by Bayonne in fact Bayonne seems to say it more than anyone else using the word 7 times. The most of anyone here.

It seems that the one&#039;s that most like using that word to describe Alderson are not the one&#039;s that use it as a positive but quite the opposite the one&#039;s that like to use it as a negative. Almost as if they are threatened by it so they use it to mock him instead.

I would bet that if you made it a point to see who uses that word most on this blog alone you will find that it is used more to mock Alderson than by those using it to somehow praise him.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The interesting thing is that at last count the word Genius shows up 21 times in this post (including the use of it just now) and the 1st time it is said is by Bayonne in fact Bayonne seems to say it more than anyone else using the word 7 times. The most of anyone here.</p>
<p>It seems that the one&#8217;s that most like using that word to describe Alderson are not the one&#8217;s that use it as a positive but quite the opposite the one&#8217;s that like to use it as a negative. Almost as if they are threatened by it so they use it to mock him instead.</p>
<p>I would bet that if you made it a point to see who uses that word most on this blog alone you will find that it is used more to mock Alderson than by those using it to somehow praise him.</p>
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		<title>By: t agee</title>
		<link>http://metsmerizedonline.com/2011/03/lets-not-go-overboard-with-praising-alderson.html#comment-142693</link>
		<dc:creator>t agee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Mar 2011 19:18:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Again Vinny.  After going to the post season 4 years out of 5 they started a run of 6 straight losing season.  Same as we did after our run of 2 post seasons in 5 years.

     Not that uncommon.  Happens to many teams.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Again Vinny.  After going to the post season 4 years out of 5 they started a run of 6 straight losing season.  Same as we did after our run of 2 post seasons in 5 years.</p>
<p>     Not that uncommon.  Happens to many teams.</p>
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		<title>By: Vinny B</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vinny B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Mar 2011 19:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I remember reading that they slashed payroll in 95. They had losing seasons in 93 and 94.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember reading that they slashed payroll in 95. They had losing seasons in 93 and 94.</p>
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		<title>By: t agee</title>
		<link>http://metsmerizedonline.com/2011/03/lets-not-go-overboard-with-praising-alderson.html#comment-142690</link>
		<dc:creator>t agee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Mar 2011 19:07:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Most teams payrolls go up after expierencing success, we jack ours up in anticipation of success.  Maybe that&#039;s part of the problem.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most teams payrolls go up after expierencing success, we jack ours up in anticipation of success.  Maybe that&#8217;s part of the problem.</p>
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		<title>By: t agee</title>
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		<dc:creator>t agee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Mar 2011 19:04:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You mean after their 4 out of 5 years in the postseason and salary slashing started?  C&#039;mon Vinny.

     We had 6 losing seasons following our 2 out of 5 years in the post season with no budget slashing just bonehead slashing.

     We then followed that up with 82, 75, 66 and 71 wins after making the postseason for the only consecutive years in our history while increasing payroll.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You mean after their 4 out of 5 years in the postseason and salary slashing started?  C&#8217;mon Vinny.</p>
<p>     We had 6 losing seasons following our 2 out of 5 years in the post season with no budget slashing just bonehead slashing.</p>
<p>     We then followed that up with 82, 75, 66 and 71 wins after making the postseason for the only consecutive years in our history while increasing payroll.</p>
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		<title>By: Vinny B</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vinny B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Mar 2011 18:58:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Payroll doesn&#039;t matter. You see teams do good all the time with small payrolls, and you see teams do bad with big payrolls. 

I don&#039;t think it had anything to do with it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Payroll doesn&#8217;t matter. You see teams do good all the time with small payrolls, and you see teams do bad with big payrolls. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think it had anything to do with it.</p>
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		<title>By: Berbalerbs</title>
		<link>http://metsmerizedonline.com/2011/03/lets-not-go-overboard-with-praising-alderson.html#comment-142685</link>
		<dc:creator>Berbalerbs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Mar 2011 18:46:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Perhaps the additional $60 or $70 million/year on the payroll had a teensy bit to do with it?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps the additional $60 or $70 million/year on the payroll had a teensy bit to do with it?</p>
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		<title>By: RumRunner</title>
		<link>http://metsmerizedonline.com/2011/03/lets-not-go-overboard-with-praising-alderson.html#comment-142673</link>
		<dc:creator>RumRunner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Mar 2011 18:10:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bayonne, you never told us you were once in the movies.  

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_1MHO_3PJY2U/SeqdJ5Pg_zI/AAAAAAAACh4/0DGe2_zHshw/s1600-h/Randy+Rides+Alone2.jpg]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bayonne, you never told us you were once in the movies.  </p>
<p><a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_1MHO_3PJY2U/SeqdJ5Pg_zI/AAAAAAAACh4/0DGe2_zHshw/s1600-h/Randy+Rides+Alone2.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_1MHO_3PJY2U/SeqdJ5Pg_zI/AAAAAAAACh4/0DGe2_zHshw/s1600-h/Randy+Rides+Alone2.jpg</a></p>
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		<title>By: t agee</title>
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		<dc:creator>t agee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Mar 2011 17:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Vinny, to be fair he took over a team that had just lost all their young starting pitchers through over use in 1980 and 1981.  Losing Norris, McCatty, Kingman, Langford and Keough effected that team for a while, as it would any team.

     When the payroll got slashed in 1995, He had to trade away major parts of the team but in 14 years he did go the playoffs 4 times while playing a balanced AL schedule and lost 90+ games only twice.  Once at the end of his 4 out of 5 years in the post season and once after slashing his payroll the last year.  He also won 4 division titles, winning 103, 104, 99 and 96 games.

     We&#039;ve lost 90+ games six times in 20 years with the largest payroll and been to the post season only 7 times with 5 Division titles in 49 years.

     Four post seasons in 14 years is quite a bit better than 7 in 49.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vinny, to be fair he took over a team that had just lost all their young starting pitchers through over use in 1980 and 1981.  Losing Norris, McCatty, Kingman, Langford and Keough effected that team for a while, as it would any team.</p>
<p>     When the payroll got slashed in 1995, He had to trade away major parts of the team but in 14 years he did go the playoffs 4 times while playing a balanced AL schedule and lost 90+ games only twice.  Once at the end of his 4 out of 5 years in the post season and once after slashing his payroll the last year.  He also won 4 division titles, winning 103, 104, 99 and 96 games.</p>
<p>     We&#8217;ve lost 90+ games six times in 20 years with the largest payroll and been to the post season only 7 times with 5 Division titles in 49 years.</p>
<p>     Four post seasons in 14 years is quite a bit better than 7 in 49.</p>
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		<title>By: Des</title>
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		<dc:creator>Des</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Mar 2011 17:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Agreed, tag.  What&#039;s interesting to me is that all four guys mentioned (Havens, Utley, Uggla, Cano)have accelerated their HR productivity with additional PAs. When we look back in the rear view mirror of the future,it will all be clear.  Right now it&#039;s not for me.  Thanks for you insight.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed, tag.  What&#8217;s interesting to me is that all four guys mentioned (Havens, Utley, Uggla, Cano)have accelerated their HR productivity with additional PAs. When we look back in the rear view mirror of the future,it will all be clear.  Right now it&#8217;s not for me.  Thanks for you insight.</p>
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		<title>By: Bayonne Mets Fan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bayonne Mets Fan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Mar 2011 17:36:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I mean show people where I said Alderson should be FIRED and don&#039;t take it out of context.  Now i have the word genius in my head.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I mean show people where I said Alderson should be FIRED and don&#8217;t take it out of context.  Now i have the word genius in my head.</p>
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		<title>By: Bayonne Mets Fan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bayonne Mets Fan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Mar 2011 17:36:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just show people where I said Alderson is a genius and don&#039;t take it out of context]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just show people where I said Alderson is a genius and don&#8217;t take it out of context</p>
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		<title>By: Tomterif</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tomterif</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Mar 2011 17:32:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Can we please stop creating headline posts that are better positioned as comments on something else? This posting is pointless, as usual for Delcos.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can we please stop creating headline posts that are better positioned as comments on something else? This posting is pointless, as usual for Delcos.</p>
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		<title>By: t agee</title>
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		<dc:creator>t agee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Mar 2011 17:13:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We might Des.  And if we resigned Reyes, could have Tejada backing up both and providing some late inning D for Havens if needed.  That would be great usage of 3 roster spots.

     The danger though is those additional 1200-1800 AB&#039;s ARE a big deal.  Bringing guys up before they&#039;ve learned to think along with professional pitchers at different levels along the way up puts them in a tough position when they get up here.  That&#039;s what leads to prolonged slumps and long periods of adjustments that better prepared prospects don&#039;t have to overcome.

     It&#039;s also dangerous to count on just one guy for every position.  Reece wouldn&#039;t have been ready until this year at best without injuries.  Davis came up out of need a year early and struggled with his adjustments but made it through.  Fern never did.  Thole was worked in carefully but was also able to play winter ball to accelerate his learning curve.  Tejada despite not looking overmatched clearly needed more AB&#039;s to get his talent to translate.  Murphy looked lost for a couple of months, Gomez and Milledge would have been far better served to have 1,000 more AB&#039;s.  Even Reyes could have benefited from another year to develop his pitch recognition skills.  Another guy who didn&#039;t get enough time was Keppinger who got rushed up when Reyes got hurt.  Sometimes when guys don&#039;t get enough AB&#039;s they never are all they could have been.

     I can&#039;t wait to see Havens up here but I want him ready to stay when he arrives.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We might Des.  And if we resigned Reyes, could have Tejada backing up both and providing some late inning D for Havens if needed.  That would be great usage of 3 roster spots.</p>
<p>     The danger though is those additional 1200-1800 AB&#8217;s ARE a big deal.  Bringing guys up before they&#8217;ve learned to think along with professional pitchers at different levels along the way up puts them in a tough position when they get up here.  That&#8217;s what leads to prolonged slumps and long periods of adjustments that better prepared prospects don&#8217;t have to overcome.</p>
<p>     It&#8217;s also dangerous to count on just one guy for every position.  Reece wouldn&#8217;t have been ready until this year at best without injuries.  Davis came up out of need a year early and struggled with his adjustments but made it through.  Fern never did.  Thole was worked in carefully but was also able to play winter ball to accelerate his learning curve.  Tejada despite not looking overmatched clearly needed more AB&#8217;s to get his talent to translate.  Murphy looked lost for a couple of months, Gomez and Milledge would have been far better served to have 1,000 more AB&#8217;s.  Even Reyes could have benefited from another year to develop his pitch recognition skills.  Another guy who didn&#8217;t get enough time was Keppinger who got rushed up when Reyes got hurt.  Sometimes when guys don&#8217;t get enough AB&#8217;s they never are all they could have been.</p>
<p>     I can&#8217;t wait to see Havens up here but I want him ready to stay when he arrives.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr North Jersey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr North Jersey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Mar 2011 16:55:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t know what constitutes going overboard in your opinion Delcos but if it is what I think then I agree that this move that if not done would have had many fans blame Alderson for not having made it by the same token people should not treat this move any more than what it was.

A move that was overdue that signified an end of an era.

I don&#039;t know how many are going overboard but I know just like there are those going overboard in praising Alderson there are also those that go overboard to do the opposite and not give Alderson any recognition whatsoever.

You see it all the time. Sometimes they use words like cult,genius, all knowing, or God to name a few to make fun of the man or those that may appreciate him.

So yes while people should not go overboard in praising Alderson for this or any of the moves he has made the opposite holds just as true as well.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know what constitutes going overboard in your opinion Delcos but if it is what I think then I agree that this move that if not done would have had many fans blame Alderson for not having made it by the same token people should not treat this move any more than what it was.</p>
<p>A move that was overdue that signified an end of an era.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know how many are going overboard but I know just like there are those going overboard in praising Alderson there are also those that go overboard to do the opposite and not give Alderson any recognition whatsoever.</p>
<p>You see it all the time. Sometimes they use words like cult,genius, all knowing, or God to name a few to make fun of the man or those that may appreciate him.</p>
<p>So yes while people should not go overboard in praising Alderson for this or any of the moves he has made the opposite holds just as true as well.</p>
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