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	<title>Comments on: Jason Bay Heading To DL, Pagan May Bat 6th, Thole 2nd</title>
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		<title>By: sarge</title>
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		<dc:creator>sarge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Mar 2011 21:49:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thole isn&#039;t slow, for a catcher but what this reminds me of when Yanks had Jeter hitting 2nd.
He was a contact hitter but he kept contacting into DP&#039;s, which is why Yanks moved him to 1st cause he hit into a lot of DP&#039;s.
Thole might have this problem but I like him hitting in bottom of order if, as Terry states it about Pagan, he can provide some pop,if he continues to get doubles and on base.

Pagan has hit lower in order and maybe he can sometimes but if Duda is playing LF in the last 2 games against Marlins then he can provide that lower end of the batting order power.

Pagan and his speed along with David&#039;s better than avg speed along with Carlos getting his legs back provide some serious run scoring punch at top of order.
Pagan hitting 6th or 5th can protect the hitter in front of him but his tools are best served in 1-3rd in batting order in my opinion.
I wonder where Terry got this idea about Pagan, maybe got a text from Manuel. :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thole isn&#8217;t slow, for a catcher but what this reminds me of when Yanks had Jeter hitting 2nd.<br />
He was a contact hitter but he kept contacting into DP&#8217;s, which is why Yanks moved him to 1st cause he hit into a lot of DP&#8217;s.<br />
Thole might have this problem but I like him hitting in bottom of order if, as Terry states it about Pagan, he can provide some pop,if he continues to get doubles and on base.</p>
<p>Pagan has hit lower in order and maybe he can sometimes but if Duda is playing LF in the last 2 games against Marlins then he can provide that lower end of the batting order power.</p>
<p>Pagan and his speed along with David&#8217;s better than avg speed along with Carlos getting his legs back provide some serious run scoring punch at top of order.<br />
Pagan hitting 6th or 5th can protect the hitter in front of him but his tools are best served in 1-3rd in batting order in my opinion.<br />
I wonder where Terry got this idea about Pagan, maybe got a text from Manuel. <img src='http://smhttp.18058.nexcesscdn.net/808D60/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: t agee</title>
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		<dc:creator>t agee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Mar 2011 21:06:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For Vlad it doesn&#039;t matter.  His power ability trumps everything anyway, but the fact remains he has a lifetime .320 BA, .383. OB in addition to his .563 SLG.  Across the board GREAT numbers.  That&#039;s why he&#039;ll be inducted into the HOF in a few years.

     For players who are not future HOFers it is imperative to their team that they keep innings alive, whether that&#039;s by hitting, bunting, walking, getting hit or even catcher interference.  That gives someone else an opportunity they would not have had and it does so with at least one man on.

     Even a small thing like leaning into a curve on 0-2 and taking a base brings the next guy up gives your offense a better chance forget about the big picture of making the pitcher bring it to where the barrel of the bat can get it by not going after his slop.

     There&#039;s a long time saying about pitchers one of my first baseball coaches taught us.  &quot;They always tell the pitcher not to give in.  Not to throw that straight fastball just to get it over, but you can make him give in, otherwise he&#039;ll be walking the bases loaded.  Eventually he HAS to give in, as long as you make him.&quot;

     Very few Major League pitchers can consistently put it on the black, getting strikes while keeping the ball away from the good wood.  To hit the best that you can you have to recognize what your getting and swing at only that which you can do something with.

     That&#039;s what Vlad has been doing all along.  Swinging at stuff he can do something with.  Not every hitter helps himself and his team in this regard like Guererro does.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For Vlad it doesn&#8217;t matter.  His power ability trumps everything anyway, but the fact remains he has a lifetime .320 BA, .383. OB in addition to his .563 SLG.  Across the board GREAT numbers.  That&#8217;s why he&#8217;ll be inducted into the HOF in a few years.</p>
<p>     For players who are not future HOFers it is imperative to their team that they keep innings alive, whether that&#8217;s by hitting, bunting, walking, getting hit or even catcher interference.  That gives someone else an opportunity they would not have had and it does so with at least one man on.</p>
<p>     Even a small thing like leaning into a curve on 0-2 and taking a base brings the next guy up gives your offense a better chance forget about the big picture of making the pitcher bring it to where the barrel of the bat can get it by not going after his slop.</p>
<p>     There&#8217;s a long time saying about pitchers one of my first baseball coaches taught us.  &#8220;They always tell the pitcher not to give in.  Not to throw that straight fastball just to get it over, but you can make him give in, otherwise he&#8217;ll be walking the bases loaded.  Eventually he HAS to give in, as long as you make him.&#8221;</p>
<p>     Very few Major League pitchers can consistently put it on the black, getting strikes while keeping the ball away from the good wood.  To hit the best that you can you have to recognize what your getting and swing at only that which you can do something with.</p>
<p>     That&#8217;s what Vlad has been doing all along.  Swinging at stuff he can do something with.  Not every hitter helps himself and his team in this regard like Guererro does.</p>
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		<title>By: SFloridaMetsFan</title>
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		<dc:creator>SFloridaMetsFan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Mar 2011 20:54:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ok I see where you&#039;re going. I tend to agree with most of what you&#039;re saying. But obp walks and hits should be lateral. Thole getting on base for the middle of the order is paramount imo. It&#039;s the same with Pagan and his speed. He will basically be Reyes of the bottom of the order. Get on base, steal bases and mess with pitchers so 7-9 can drive him in.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok I see where you&#8217;re going. I tend to agree with most of what you&#8217;re saying. But obp walks and hits should be lateral. Thole getting on base for the middle of the order is paramount imo. It&#8217;s the same with Pagan and his speed. He will basically be Reyes of the bottom of the order. Get on base, steal bases and mess with pitchers so 7-9 can drive him in.</p>
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		<title>By: Bayonne Mets Fan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bayonne Mets Fan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Mar 2011 20:07:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Josh Thole&#039;s ability to hit major league pitching is a better asset than his ability to get on base.  As long as he continues to improve his hitting his on base percentage will normally improve because his approach at the plate has always been natural to him.  So to focus first on Josh Thole&#039;s on base percentage is working backwards to forward.

What saber people refuse to understand is that you cannot make everybody have the same approach.  You can say &quot;hey i think you should cut down on swinging at bad pitches and hey, watch the ball coming out of the pitcher&#039;s hand more closely and follow it into the catcher&#039;s glove&quot; and things like that.  But u can&#039;t change them.  Some players are able to make minute adjustments but you&#039;ll never see a Vlad Guerrero suddenly change into a Nick Johnson (approach wise, not talent wise)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Josh Thole&#8217;s ability to hit major league pitching is a better asset than his ability to get on base.  As long as he continues to improve his hitting his on base percentage will normally improve because his approach at the plate has always been natural to him.  So to focus first on Josh Thole&#8217;s on base percentage is working backwards to forward.</p>
<p>What saber people refuse to understand is that you cannot make everybody have the same approach.  You can say &#8220;hey i think you should cut down on swinging at bad pitches and hey, watch the ball coming out of the pitcher&#8217;s hand more closely and follow it into the catcher&#8217;s glove&#8221; and things like that.  But u can&#8217;t change them.  Some players are able to make minute adjustments but you&#8217;ll never see a Vlad Guerrero suddenly change into a Nick Johnson (approach wise, not talent wise)</p>
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		<title>By: SFloridaMetsFan</title>
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		<dc:creator>SFloridaMetsFan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Mar 2011 19:46:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m sorry but why are you beening a jackwagon here? His best assets are getting on base and not striking out. He&#039;s not slow. 
And just so you know, contact rates and K % are not sabr. Everyone uses them. 
Pagans speed plays well in the 6 hole too. He&#039;ll be able to create more runs for Emaus and Harris/Duda.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sorry but why are you beening a jackwagon here? His best assets are getting on base and not striking out. He&#8217;s not slow.<br />
And just so you know, contact rates and K % are not sabr. Everyone uses them.<br />
Pagans speed plays well in the 6 hole too. He&#8217;ll be able to create more runs for Emaus and Harris/Duda.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr North Jersey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr North Jersey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Mar 2011 19:36:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Good observation. I would agree with you there. While Thole is not fleet of foot he is not a turtle there as well. In the end the great thing is that TC has the choice of using either of those 2 right now to see what works best.

Reyes, Pagan 1,2 punch can be explosive but Pagan down in the order can work as well in balancing out the lineup as well.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good observation. I would agree with you there. While Thole is not fleet of foot he is not a turtle there as well. In the end the great thing is that TC has the choice of using either of those 2 right now to see what works best.</p>
<p>Reyes, Pagan 1,2 punch can be explosive but Pagan down in the order can work as well in balancing out the lineup as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Bayonne Mets Fan</title>
		<link>http://metsmerizedonline.com/2011/03/jason-bay-heading-to-dl-pagan-may-bat-6th-thole-2nd.html#comment-144629</link>
		<dc:creator>Bayonne Mets Fan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Mar 2011 19:36:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[instead of coming across as a jerk every day with snarky unfunny comments. We used to call people like that douchebags....what&#039;s the point you want to make. Let me know and I&#039;ll tell u what i think.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>instead of coming across as a jerk every day with snarky unfunny comments. We used to call people like that douchebags&#8230;.what&#8217;s the point you want to make. Let me know and I&#8217;ll tell u what i think.</p>
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		<title>By: Bayonne Mets Fan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bayonne Mets Fan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Mar 2011 19:34:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[i agree...i have no problem at all with Josh Thole batting 2nd, i&#039;d like to see what he does ...either way.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i agree&#8230;i have no problem at all with Josh Thole batting 2nd, i&#8217;d like to see what he does &#8230;either way.</p>
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		<title>By: Met Maniac</title>
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		<dc:creator>Met Maniac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Mar 2011 19:26:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I will say one thing in Thole&#039;s defense though, he&#039;s not as slow as you think Bayonne, for a catcher that is. He gets out of the box well and will even steal a base under the right conditions.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will say one thing in Thole&#8217;s defense though, he&#8217;s not as slow as you think Bayonne, for a catcher that is. He gets out of the box well and will even steal a base under the right conditions.</p>
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		<title>By: Met Maniac</title>
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		<dc:creator>Met Maniac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Mar 2011 19:24:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I thought it was just me, but his comment befuddled me too. If a major league manager was reserving his speedier hitters for the sixth spot rather than the 1,2 or 8 spot, than I must have been watching a different game for the past 40 years.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought it was just me, but his comment befuddled me too. If a major league manager was reserving his speedier hitters for the sixth spot rather than the 1,2 or 8 spot, than I must have been watching a different game for the past 40 years.</p>
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		<title>By: Berbalerbs</title>
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		<dc:creator>Berbalerbs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Mar 2011 19:21:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Clog up the basepaths&quot;


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHA wow.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Clog up the basepaths&#8221;</p>
<p>HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHA wow.</p>
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		<title>By: Bayonne Mets Fan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bayonne Mets Fan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Mar 2011 19:19:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[contact rates, lol...this gets more comical everyday..well at least if it makes you feel smart by talking that way then go for it.


anyway speed is needed more in the 2 hole because the middle of the order is coming up. Thole&#039;s lack of speed in the 2-hole can clog up the basepaths. 
Angel&#039;s power works well in the 6 hole but his speed will probably used more to steal bases to try and score on hits by 7,8, &amp; 9.  Angel&#039;s speed is more useful in the 2 hole for the big boys.

..contact rate, lol.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>contact rates, lol&#8230;this gets more comical everyday..well at least if it makes you feel smart by talking that way then go for it.</p>
<p>anyway speed is needed more in the 2 hole because the middle of the order is coming up. Thole&#8217;s lack of speed in the 2-hole can clog up the basepaths.<br />
Angel&#8217;s power works well in the 6 hole but his speed will probably used more to steal bases to try and score on hits by 7,8, &amp; 9.  Angel&#8217;s speed is more useful in the 2 hole for the big boys.</p>
<p>..contact rate, lol.</p>
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		<title>By: SFloridaMetsFan</title>
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		<dc:creator>SFloridaMetsFan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Mar 2011 19:13:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[His speed plays from the 6 hole as well. The fact that he has more power and speed than Thole makes him a huge threat from there. I&#039;d almost like to leave him in the 6 hole for good. Thole makes a great 2 hole hitter with his OBP and contact rates.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>His speed plays from the 6 hole as well. The fact that he has more power and speed than Thole makes him a huge threat from there. I&#8217;d almost like to leave him in the 6 hole for good. Thole makes a great 2 hole hitter with his OBP and contact rates.</p>
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		<title>By: SFloridaMetsFan</title>
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		<dc:creator>SFloridaMetsFan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Mar 2011 15:38:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Where have you been? Mets fans have been begging to get ruid of him for months.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where have you been? Mets fans have been begging to get ruid of him for months.</p>
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		<title>By: Bayonne Mets Fan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bayonne Mets Fan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Mar 2011 14:48:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I would leave Angel batting second because of his speed]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would leave Angel batting second because of his speed</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Mar 2011 14:35:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Love the move of Thole in the 2 spot. One more day!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Love the move of Thole in the 2 spot. One more day!</p>
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		<title>By: The Stache</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Stache</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Mar 2011 14:30:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This Bay signing will end up just like Oliver Perez and Luis Castillo. By the end of this season, we&#039;ll be begging the Mets to get rid of him. A total waste and not a New York kind of player he has the personality of a sponge.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This Bay signing will end up just like Oliver Perez and Luis Castillo. By the end of this season, we&#8217;ll be begging the Mets to get rid of him. A total waste and not a New York kind of player he has the personality of a sponge.</p>
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