Comments on: FanGraphs Ranks Mets 21st, Say Darkness Among Fans Is Justified

By: Donal

Donal — Sun, 27 Mar 2011 11:55:14 +0000

No, not really. He didn’t rank them over all. In fact, he said they would finish 2nd in the NL West specifically because it was such a weak division

By: Metsie

Metsie — Fri, 25 Mar 2011 04:06:50 +0000

Lot closer to what happened than Fan Graphs now wasn’t he?

By: stick

stick — Fri, 25 Mar 2011 03:03:04 +0000

trying to balance the prospect pool never seemed to be something Omar was interested in. Or if he, based on results, nothing he ever acted on!

By: t agee

t agee — Fri, 25 Mar 2011 02:35:16 +0000

Yeah Stick. That’s what I’m thinking. That’s one reason I cannot understand how we could not have a decent prospect to stick in RF or 2B. I know we haven’t had much down there until last year but still there had to be a match somewhere. Like the way we got Hu. Not a future HOFer but at least someone you could give a shot to and put the money you save somewhere else. Much better than signing the wrong guy for too many years and then being stuck with him.

By: stick

stick — Fri, 25 Mar 2011 02:14:29 +0000

you can’t keep prospects forever though. eventually they “age out” and you have to use them, lose them, or trade them.

remember when Omar got roasted for trading bell and lindstrom? that is exactly why they did it. Took guys they likely weren’t putting on the 25 man but who were out of options, and traded them for younger pitchers that were still under control for a few more years.

so, mostly likely this year they trade a couple for a ML guy, and a few others for younger guys and/or positions of more need.

Would love to see them do what the rays/twins did a few years ago (the young/garza deal). One team had too many prospect SPs, the other had too many OFs, so they each traded strength for need.

By: t agee

t agee — Fri, 25 Mar 2011 01:59:47 +0000

Those prospects have a couple of years to go before they have any value to speak of and some will fall off as well but their could be an outfielder of ours exchanged for a pitcher or catcher at the same levels. Get a better mix. That sort of thing.

By: SFloridaMetsFan

SFloridaMetsFan — Fri, 25 Mar 2011 01:46:24 +0000

I think you’re right. But I wouldn’t expect anything this off season. The FO will want to have the draft completed. As well as the rule 5 before we see any trades. For all we know their plan is to build completely through the drafts and IFA. Then use free agency and minor trades hete and there to tinker with the roster. I just don’t see the FO giving up a bunch of prospects in a trade. Unless it’s for a stud in the 25-28 age range.

By: t agee

t agee — Fri, 25 Mar 2011 01:39:32 +0000

They did add to their O mid season but this year their D is a problem. Miguel Tejada at SS and Fontenot at 2B

By: Donal

Donal — Fri, 25 Mar 2011 01:25:49 +0000

“What you see is what you get with San Francisco: great pitching and subpar hitting. It’s still a recipe for decent success in the NL West and the veteran bats at least won’t embarrass themselves. But, in the end, I’m not convinced the Giants will improve their offense enough to reach the postseason. A win total similar to last year’s sounds about right.

Giants Prediction: Second, National League West ”

2nd in the NL West. As in their division. He even specifically said he didn’t think they’d make the playoffs.

By: t agee

t agee — Fri, 25 Mar 2011 00:36:52 +0000

I think your right Stick. In fact I’d consider the trading deadline to potentially be our “off season” and then expect quite a bit more restructuring as you say.

By: stick

stick — Fri, 25 Mar 2011 00:27:53 +0000

they also seem to assume that a weak performer will stay in the line up for the year. There really isn’t any viable way for them to account for running changes as the year goes on.

By: stick

stick — Fri, 25 Mar 2011 00:25:18 +0000

You point out a result of 2 years in a row hoarding prospects. Soon they are going to have a glut. As you note, they will have some pain at rule 5 time most likely.

I assume the plan of the FO after a season to evaluate is to make a lot more trades next year (deadline, post season) to reallocate resources.

By: Metsie

Metsie — Fri, 25 Mar 2011 00:15:45 +0000

Well certainly none of the Saber sites…

This guy did however say they were #2 in the NL.

http://www.capperspicks.com/blog/mlb-baseball/2010-san-francisco-giants-preview-predictions-310310/

By: Donal

Donal — Thu, 24 Mar 2011 22:57:31 +0000

These ranking have a very practical flaw: The information available at the time. When the first PECOTA rankings came out, they were assuming Castillo was our 2B and Oliver Perez was in the rotation.

They try and look at it logically, when not everyone who makes the decisions is logical. There is also probably a lot of information not available to the general public.

And of course, the season itself takes a toll. Guys get hurt, guys over/underperform and a lot of not basbeall stuff affects the teams themselves.

By: Bayonne Mets Fan

Bayonne Mets Fan — Thu, 24 Mar 2011 22:44:55 +0000

FanGaffs

By: Donal

Donal — Thu, 24 Mar 2011 22:42:10 +0000

So, who had the Giants in the top 10?

By: t agee

t agee — Thu, 24 Mar 2011 22:33:34 +0000

You might be right SF, if they come up big then we can trade our surplus for something else if need be. Tell you the truth I’m a little worried about the rule 5 situation with so many of these very talented but raw prospects in the App or Sally League. Not the worst problem to have but with 3 possible aces scattered between AAA and rookie ball, the chances of even two becoming true aces is remote. If it happens that’s fantastic but better build up the farm in case.

By: Mr North Jersey

Mr North Jersey — Thu, 24 Mar 2011 22:17:45 +0000

LoL Good one.

By: Metsie

Metsie — Thu, 24 Mar 2011 22:05:23 +0000

This is really GREAT GREAT news!

We being 21st on FanGraphs is perfect!

They had the Giants at 23 last year!

By: SFloridaMetsFan

SFloridaMetsFan — Thu, 24 Mar 2011 21:30:21 +0000

I don’t think they would have to trade for one. Mejia looks to be a bonafide ace in the making. Harvey profiles as a solid #2. with Neise, Pelf, Gee, Familia, Urbina, Matz, etc. I think they should focus more on INF, C, even more pitching depth.