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	<title>Comments on: Doug&#8217;s Dugout: More On Beltran And The Twin Terrors</title>
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		<title>By: Metsie</title>
		<link>http://metsmerizedonline.com/2011/03/dougs-dugout-more-on-beltran-and-the-twin-terrors.html#comment-136834</link>
		<dc:creator>Metsie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Mar 2011 17:44:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No Berb but I also haven&#039;t seen anything in his past to show that last year was the norm either...

Every player has a career year at some point, where he outdoes his career average performance and makes up for those years when he was under that career performance.

But considering how long it took him to have that year you sure can&#039;t count on it repeating.

He may be close, he may be the same and hell he may even improve because he figured it out or merely finally got the opportunity.

but too many people look at a year and say hey thats what that guy can do without ever thinking about if he can keep doing it or it was just a case of everything falling into place and the stars alligning in a way they never align again!

I certainly think he can do what he did last year again, My only question is will he?
If not we have the next name that will get dragged through the sewer around here despite what everyone said about him this year and last!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No Berb but I also haven&#8217;t seen anything in his past to show that last year was the norm either&#8230;</p>
<p>Every player has a career year at some point, where he outdoes his career average performance and makes up for those years when he was under that career performance.</p>
<p>But considering how long it took him to have that year you sure can&#8217;t count on it repeating.</p>
<p>He may be close, he may be the same and hell he may even improve because he figured it out or merely finally got the opportunity.</p>
<p>but too many people look at a year and say hey thats what that guy can do without ever thinking about if he can keep doing it or it was just a case of everything falling into place and the stars alligning in a way they never align again!</p>
<p>I certainly think he can do what he did last year again, My only question is will he?<br />
If not we have the next name that will get dragged through the sewer around here despite what everyone said about him this year and last!</p>
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		<title>By: XtreemIcon</title>
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		<dc:creator>XtreemIcon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Mar 2011 16:21:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nothing in the last two years, but plenty in his eight pro seasons before that.  I&#039;m not sold, either.  He&#039;s 30 already.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nothing in the last two years, but plenty in his eight pro seasons before that.  I&#8217;m not sold, either.  He&#8217;s 30 already.</p>
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		<title>By: Berbalerbs</title>
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		<dc:creator>Berbalerbs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Mar 2011 16:12:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Have you seen anything in the past two years that even &lt;i&gt;suggests&lt;/i&gt; he&#039;s a &quot;fluke?&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have you seen anything in the past two years that even <i>suggests</i> he&#8217;s a &#8220;fluke?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Metsie</title>
		<link>http://metsmerizedonline.com/2011/03/dougs-dugout-more-on-beltran-and-the-twin-terrors.html#comment-136803</link>
		<dc:creator>Metsie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Mar 2011 15:51:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s so nice to hear Beltran is accepting the RF move.
Now what happens when we find out Pagan was a fluke and goes back to his old ways?

I know everyone is jumping for joy that Beltran bit the bullet and gave everyone what they wanted...

As they say be careful what you wish for!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s so nice to hear Beltran is accepting the RF move.<br />
Now what happens when we find out Pagan was a fluke and goes back to his old ways?</p>
<p>I know everyone is jumping for joy that Beltran bit the bullet and gave everyone what they wanted&#8230;</p>
<p>As they say be careful what you wish for!</p>
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		<title>By: sarge</title>
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		<dc:creator>sarge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Mar 2011 03:03:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am with you on this one Agee, here we have what all have clamored for for all of 2010 and coming into this year and he does it and instead of just accepting it, Doug has to find a motive for it and take down a player that played hurt in his early years with Mets so what the heck at least Doug brought some traffic here but had to use his anti-Beltran bias to get any feed back.

Hey Doug why don&#039;t you tell us how you really feel about Beltran? Don&#039;t hold back cause the truth will set you free.
I guess that there must not be any other Mets news so you pull out the tried and true Beltran is selfish card.
Great blogging, maybe you can next start on Bay when his contract is up.

He, Beltran, had a hard time when he first signed but when on the field he was the best CF ever to play for Mets, yes even better than Agee.

Injuries are a part of the game and the fact that mgmt decided to sign so many over the hill vets after Beltran signed should not be laid at his feet.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am with you on this one Agee, here we have what all have clamored for for all of 2010 and coming into this year and he does it and instead of just accepting it, Doug has to find a motive for it and take down a player that played hurt in his early years with Mets so what the heck at least Doug brought some traffic here but had to use his anti-Beltran bias to get any feed back.</p>
<p>Hey Doug why don&#8217;t you tell us how you really feel about Beltran? Don&#8217;t hold back cause the truth will set you free.<br />
I guess that there must not be any other Mets news so you pull out the tried and true Beltran is selfish card.<br />
Great blogging, maybe you can next start on Bay when his contract is up.</p>
<p>He, Beltran, had a hard time when he first signed but when on the field he was the best CF ever to play for Mets, yes even better than Agee.</p>
<p>Injuries are a part of the game and the fact that mgmt decided to sign so many over the hill vets after Beltran signed should not be laid at his feet.</p>
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		<title>By: t agee</title>
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		<dc:creator>t agee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Mar 2011 00:30:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s not the way I want to look at it Vinny.  It&#039;s the way it was.  Nothing in life or in baseball happens entirely on it&#039;s own.  It&#039;s not like we had exactly the same team before he got hurt and exactly the same team minus just him.  Those first half wins were partly accumulated with Reyes and Delgado in the line up too.  Think they didn&#039;t help?

     It&#039;s not as cut and dried as your making it out to be.

     We were 21-15 when Delgado joined Reyes on the DL so from the point that we were down two of our 4 most potent offensive players until Carlos went down our record was under .500 already.

     21-15 vs. 14-18.  From that point on we were losing by field goals and touchdowns.

     Not much any one player could have done about that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not the way I want to look at it Vinny.  It&#8217;s the way it was.  Nothing in life or in baseball happens entirely on it&#8217;s own.  It&#8217;s not like we had exactly the same team before he got hurt and exactly the same team minus just him.  Those first half wins were partly accumulated with Reyes and Delgado in the line up too.  Think they didn&#8217;t help?</p>
<p>     It&#8217;s not as cut and dried as your making it out to be.</p>
<p>     We were 21-15 when Delgado joined Reyes on the DL so from the point that we were down two of our 4 most potent offensive players until Carlos went down our record was under .500 already.</p>
<p>     21-15 vs. 14-18.  From that point on we were losing by field goals and touchdowns.</p>
<p>     Not much any one player could have done about that.</p>
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		<title>By: Vinny B</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vinny B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Mar 2011 00:08:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, whatever way you want to look at it, we had a WINNING before he was hurt,  and we had a LOSING record after he was hurt. Having his bat in the lineup made a big difference - he was having one of the best seasons in the league before he got hurt. Everything could have been a lot different if he was healthy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, whatever way you want to look at it, we had a WINNING before he was hurt,  and we had a LOSING record after he was hurt. Having his bat in the lineup made a big difference &#8211; he was having one of the best seasons in the league before he got hurt. Everything could have been a lot different if he was healthy.</p>
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		<title>By: t agee</title>
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		<dc:creator>t agee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Mar 2011 23:55:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[With Beltran missing 1/2 of the season and the Mets ultimately being 22 games below .500 that would mean that Carlos would have to account for 11 extra wins over one half of a season all by himself.  He may be a great player but that&#039;s just crazy.

     We had just lost 2/3 to the Yankees WITH HIM including a Santana start 15-0.  We lost by 4 and by 3 runs to Milwaukee who had beaten us out for the Wild Card the year before when we had Carlos.  We lost by 5, 3, 2 against Philly and then by 8 the next night against LA.  Two nights later they beat us by 9.  After taking 2/3 from Cinn we lost 3/4 to ATL by 2, 11 and 6.  It&#039;s really a leap of faith to think that one player, even Carlos could account for 20 or more extra wins a year all by himself.  Maybe Babe Ruth in the deadball era but c&#039;mon.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With Beltran missing 1/2 of the season and the Mets ultimately being 22 games below .500 that would mean that Carlos would have to account for 11 extra wins over one half of a season all by himself.  He may be a great player but that&#8217;s just crazy.</p>
<p>     We had just lost 2/3 to the Yankees WITH HIM including a Santana start 15-0.  We lost by 4 and by 3 runs to Milwaukee who had beaten us out for the Wild Card the year before when we had Carlos.  We lost by 5, 3, 2 against Philly and then by 8 the next night against LA.  Two nights later they beat us by 9.  After taking 2/3 from Cinn we lost 3/4 to ATL by 2, 11 and 6.  It&#8217;s really a leap of faith to think that one player, even Carlos could account for 20 or more extra wins a year all by himself.  Maybe Babe Ruth in the deadball era but c&#8217;mon.</p>
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		<title>By: Marla Hooch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marla Hooch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Mar 2011 23:31:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m sure a coward like you is a tough guy behind a keyboard.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sure a coward like you is a tough guy behind a keyboard.</p>
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		<title>By: Vinny B</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vinny B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Mar 2011 22:49:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[He was our best hitter, and he still is. But now you know why our record has been bad the last two years - our best player wasn&#039;t healthy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He was our best hitter, and he still is. But now you know why our record has been bad the last two years &#8211; our best player wasn&#8217;t healthy.</p>
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		<title>By: Vinny B</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vinny B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Mar 2011 22:48:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So we just happend to do bad as soon as Beltran went down? Our bad record had nothing to do with his injury? Shortly after he got hurt we got swept by the Yankees, lost 2 out 3 to the Brewers, and then get swept again by the Phillies.....that would have happend anyway if we had Beltran? I don&#039;t think so...

We were still able to do good when Beltran was healthy, but as soon as he went down, it killed our season.

And  how do you know if we had Beltran healhty we wouldn&#039;t have finished above .500?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So we just happend to do bad as soon as Beltran went down? Our bad record had nothing to do with his injury? Shortly after he got hurt we got swept by the Yankees, lost 2 out 3 to the Brewers, and then get swept again by the Phillies&#8230;..that would have happend anyway if we had Beltran? I don&#8217;t think so&#8230;</p>
<p>We were still able to do good when Beltran was healthy, but as soon as he went down, it killed our season.</p>
<p>And  how do you know if we had Beltran healhty we wouldn&#8217;t have finished above .500?</p>
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		<title>By: t agee</title>
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		<dc:creator>t agee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Mar 2011 22:39:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Beltran was our best hitter in 2006, 2007, 2008 and 2009.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Beltran was our best hitter in 2006, 2007, 2008 and 2009.</p>
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		<title>By: t agee</title>
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		<dc:creator>t agee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Mar 2011 22:35:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[With an everyday line up of Santos, Murphy, Castillo, Cora/Valdez/Berroroa, Wright, Sheffield/Sullivan, Pagan and Francouer a .500 record wasn&#039;t sustainable.  We started off slow, didn&#039;t get above .500 until May 7th, reached our best record 28-21 on May 31st and it was all downhill after that. 3 1/2 weeks.

     The amount of guys running in and out of here was unreal.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With an everyday line up of Santos, Murphy, Castillo, Cora/Valdez/Berroroa, Wright, Sheffield/Sullivan, Pagan and Francouer a .500 record wasn&#8217;t sustainable.  We started off slow, didn&#8217;t get above .500 until May 7th, reached our best record 28-21 on May 31st and it was all downhill after that. 3 1/2 weeks.</p>
<p>     The amount of guys running in and out of here was unreal.</p>
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		<title>By: Vinny B</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vinny B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Mar 2011 22:26:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That&#039;s right, he was having a great season before he went down. I think he was hitting close to .340 before he got hurt.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s right, he was having a great season before he went down. I think he was hitting close to .340 before he got hurt.</p>
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		<title>By: Vinny B</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vinny B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Mar 2011 22:22:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[and with all that going on....we STILL had a winning record, but when Beltran got hurt that&#039;s when we fell apart.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and with all that going on&#8230;.we STILL had a winning record, but when Beltran got hurt that&#8217;s when we fell apart.</p>
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		<title>By: Metstheory22</title>
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		<dc:creator>Metstheory22</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Mar 2011 22:22:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Beltran was also our BEST hitter before he went out in 2009.
G-81 AB-308 R-50 H-100 2B-22 3B-1 HR-10 RBI-48 SB-11 CS-1 W-47 K-43 AVE.-.325  

His July &amp; Aug. start in 2010 was basically Spring training.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Beltran was also our BEST hitter before he went out in 2009.<br />
G-81 AB-308 R-50 H-100 2B-22 3B-1 HR-10 RBI-48 SB-11 CS-1 W-47 K-43 AVE.-.325  </p>
<p>His July &amp; Aug. start in 2010 was basically Spring training.</p>
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		<title>By: Donal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Donal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Mar 2011 22:21:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And Beltran was supposed to trust these people?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And Beltran was supposed to trust these people?</p>
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		<title>By: t agee</title>
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		<dc:creator>t agee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Mar 2011 22:18:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Mets never even examined Putz until ST started, then cleared him to pitch in the WBC right away.  High stress innings, in March with an elbow that had been hurt all 2008, that I heard one DR. looked at and immediately stated he&#039;ll be out by June.  He lasted till May all the while being asked by the Mets not to mention the injury to the press.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Mets never even examined Putz until ST started, then cleared him to pitch in the WBC right away.  High stress innings, in March with an elbow that had been hurt all 2008, that I heard one DR. looked at and immediately stated he&#8217;ll be out by June.  He lasted till May all the while being asked by the Mets not to mention the injury to the press.</p>
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		<title>By: t agee</title>
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		<dc:creator>t agee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Mar 2011 22:12:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[By the time Beltran went down for good in 2009 Delgado and Reyes were long gone, the original LFer was now playing 1B while Sheffield and Sullivan played LF.  the RFer was soon to be traded for Francouer, Putz was on the DL, Santos was playing catcher, Schneider was really bad, Cora, Berrora, Hernandez, Valdes, A. Reyes and Green would soon took turns in the IF, Murphy went through a long period of adjustment at the plate, Wright floundered, Castillo hit a punchless .300, Reed, Ollie and Maine watched from the bench, Castro, Redding and Livan were cut, O&#039;day given away, Thole caught the soft tossers and was pinch hit for before K-Rod started stretching out, Parnell worked on his one pitch, Tatis played everywhere.

     Johan and P. Feliciano were co-MVP&#039;s. Pagan&#039;s 2nd half and Murphy&#039;s last 2 months were good to see, the rest of it was just a blur.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the time Beltran went down for good in 2009 Delgado and Reyes were long gone, the original LFer was now playing 1B while Sheffield and Sullivan played LF.  the RFer was soon to be traded for Francouer, Putz was on the DL, Santos was playing catcher, Schneider was really bad, Cora, Berrora, Hernandez, Valdes, A. Reyes and Green would soon took turns in the IF, Murphy went through a long period of adjustment at the plate, Wright floundered, Castillo hit a punchless .300, Reed, Ollie and Maine watched from the bench, Castro, Redding and Livan were cut, O&#8217;day given away, Thole caught the soft tossers and was pinch hit for before K-Rod started stretching out, Parnell worked on his one pitch, Tatis played everywhere.</p>
<p>     Johan and P. Feliciano were co-MVP&#8217;s. Pagan&#8217;s 2nd half and Murphy&#8217;s last 2 months were good to see, the rest of it was just a blur.</p>
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		<title>By: Donal</title>
		<link>http://metsmerizedonline.com/2011/03/dougs-dugout-more-on-beltran-and-the-twin-terrors.html#comment-136605</link>
		<dc:creator>Donal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Mar 2011 21:50:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Weren&#039;t the Mets medical staff also the ones who cleared Putz for the trade?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Weren&#8217;t the Mets medical staff also the ones who cleared Putz for the trade?</p>
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