One thing about Santana is that he has had really lousy run support and you have to admit that the defense behind him has been very suspect at times. In fact how many players good (or decent) players on BOTH sides of the ball has he had behind him?

Schneider/Santos/Barajas/Blanco/Thole (none), Delgado/Murphy/Davis (one), Castillo/Hernandez/Martinez/Valdez/Arias/Tejada (none), Reyes/Cora/Valdez (one), Wright (one), Alou/Murphy/Sheffield/Sullivan/Chavez/Fern/Bay (one), Beltran/Pagan/GMJ (two), Church/Francouer/Feliciano (none)

Not Seaver for sure, not Kooseman, either, maybe Matlack, but an older Matlack. Santana’s K’s were trending down for a couple of years with Minn, his walks were going up too. Injuries prevent continuity and while he wasn’t old when we got him he has not been dominant and even when he has been the bull pen has blown many saves, the defense has cost him wins and the offense has let him down numerous times.

Your right though that he hasn’t been an ace here but he’s still pitched better than the results on his W-L record would indicate. Not at the 137 M check level either, more like a real good #2 for us so far.

Thanks for the link ’62. I appreciate it and the time it took you to find it for me. Never heard of Dorfman before. Thanks.

u threw me a curve with that question, little like my wife who’ll ask me a dozen questions re. a player’s personal life, like kids, #, sex, or some other detail I never thought particularly pertinent.

Does anybody realize Pelf’s still ONLY 27 & he only needs to surpass 11-9 record to more than equal Santana, not win 18+ games. Hell just 1W more than last yr Pelf will equal Santana’;ds greatest single season Met contribution, we’re NOT missing Seaver, here! Don’t look now but a rotation is made up of 5 pitchers, eaxh one constituting 20% of the projected GS vast improvement to 40%(#4+#5) should overshadow a dip in 20%(#1). More poroduction from 1B,2B,SS,LF,#4,#5!
This is likely the strongest #4,#5 in our rotation in 10 yrs. 2 former $2s

By the way ’62, who was the shrink?

It started losing important parts in August of 2006, lost a couple more in October. Then couldn’t last the season in 2007 or 2008. Imploded in 2009 and then flatlined in 2010.

Now we have to start all over again for the umpteenth time under the Wilpon.

I am sick of having to start all over again every five years and watching listless, stupid, uninspiring baseball in between the occasional bright spot.

That’s why the opening day assignment was given to him before ST even started. Because the results of ST don’t matter for 90% of the people on the field.

Let him build up, get comfortable with things, go out and dominate starting in April.

’10 was his worst, yet he began 10-0! he needs that sdrenelin practice doesn’t supply. call it missing that competitiveness if u want. We ALL went through this last season. Do u forget every hack demanding to know what’s wrong? Are u injured? All to Peld’s simplistic retorts, Ifeel great! I’m very satisfied. I’m getting my work in. Let’s just agree to believe he’s the anti-Heilman, Aaron who Spring after Spring overpowered everyone as a SP candidate, just to return to Mr. Potatoehead come 4/1.

Anyone notice Castillo played in his first game for PHL btw, they nearly lost Oswalt forever; but for an inch to the right. Similar type of occurance tht began in ’07 in Flushing. Wonder if Luis’ middle initial ids J.? Jonah, or Sp equivilant. As such, he may be the GREAT EQUALIZER. did we not possess a comfortable margin of a standings lead when he was acquired in ’07? I believe that was the last time we had any such lead that late in any season since; I PRAY THE OMEN WENT WITH HIM IN HIS BACKPOCKET.(All typed with tongue firmly cemented in my cheek; however, I thought it worthy of a chuckle) Certainly Mota & Sosa contributed directly & Jonah was merely a passenger