Dodgers
D’backs
Mariners

Of the rarely picked teams:

Cards
Angels

I don’t see why anyone even bothers predicting the Phillies and the Red Sox. If those were really my picks, I wouldn’t even bother printing them.

NL West: Dodgers
NL Wild: Colorado

I mean look I think the overall argument is silly. Does this mean if they do well that Jerry should get credit and not Collins?

The bottom line is whether you will admit it or not Maniac… you are the co-captain for the select Mets fans who want to see Alderson-DePodesta-Ricciardi fail. Admitting it would at least make your views more tolerable, pretending that’s not the case is laughable

I see Mets in contention for wild card especially if Johan can come back and contribute.

It may have been more on the fringes (not unexpected, being payroll constrained), but the OD roster is ~ 50% new from the end of last year. And not much was in the organization. That is significant turnover.

if nothing else, it is up to the new GM to correctly evaluate the inherited talent and decide what to keep and what to dump.

So props to Omar for having some base in place that was worth keeping, though he also has to take the heat for the duds dragging the team (and payroll) down!

(Disregard the season following Showalter’s dismissal from the Rangers…apparently, they did not get the memo about the Post-Showalter W.S. parade.)

Of course she also loves Ollie P so I joke with her that that hurts her credibility with me

Way to go there Annie. FWIW my daughter agrees with you.

DC Niner check it out.

Annie has the Orioles winning the AL Championship.

AL East – Baltimore Orioles
AL Central – Minnesota Twins
AL West – Los Angeles Angels
Wild Card – Boston Red Sox
AL Chanmpion – Baltimore Orioles

NL East – Philadelphia Phillies
NL Central – Chicago Cubs
NL West – San Francisco Giants
Wild Card – New York Mets
NL Champion – Philadelphia Phillies

World Series Winner – Baltimore Orioles

Personally I will just wait to see if they win 1st than trying to predict a day before Opening Day who is responsible for it. I mean the Mets may win because Alderson did a trade at the deadline that was critical in them winning but since I can’t see the future I have to wait to see what lead to the Mets winning if and when they do win.

Now I know what your going to say. That Omar was responsible for all these players but that is simply not true. Omar inherited three of them. Two of them were #1 draft choices which should hit once in a while, one was a terrific 5th round pick and one was an afterthought for AAA rotation depth strongly recommended by Warthen and a guy Omar knew from Texas.

Pelfrey was no “find.” He had been drafted before and was represented by Boras. Niese was a fantastic “find” but if that 2005 draft (Pelfrey, Niese, Parnell, Thole) was so good why was Bove (the guy who ran the draft) demoted a few months later for Terrases who’s drafts sucked.

Ike (and Havens) were real good picks both in talent and need but one, it was left up to chance that we would be able to select Ike simply for the fact that we got him by letting Glavine go as a 40 year old. Pure luck we even had that pick and he was no “find” either coming from ASU one of the biggest baseball schools in the Country.

Regardless of how well the players he did get do, it also has to be balanced out by what else could have been done with all the money and other draft picks that was spent through the years and whether those assets would have been better used elsewhere. Illuminating only one side of the story only accomplishes the opposite.

It still is a team with a 140 Million dollar payroll that is iffy offensively at RF, LF and 2B and against RHP at catcher as well as two spots in the rotation (could have been just one if not for the injury to Santana)

Could the existing payroll have been allocated better than 19 M to Castillo, Perez and GMJ?

Would we be in better shape if we had drafted Kyle Drabek instead of signing Billy Wagner? Would the Phillies have even been able to get Halliday if we didn’t sign Wagner?

What if Omar had put his drafting acumen to work in 2007 and instead of giving away our #1 pick drafted Mike Stanton?

Could Lasting Milledge with whom Omar made the right call on have brought back 2 players who A)played better than Church and Shneider and B)were still here.

Could Alderson have done more and better if he had K-Rod’s 12 M and Bay’s 16M to work with? What kind of prospects could we have as trade pieces if we hadn’t signed those two players? What kind of options would they have provided? The Angels drafted a RHP and a LHP and two outfielders with the four picks they got for losing K-Rod and Tex, one of whom is the #1 prospect in the minors, a player who will be dominating for them for 6 years or more at a fraction of what K-Rod makes which allows them to afford to spend elsewhere like Reyes and Wright allowed Omar when he got here. What ramifications are there for us beyond just this year?

One way to look at this team is to give credit to the former GM for the players he provided but that has to be balanced out with other decisions he made as well.

I feel that if this team were to win this year it would be partly due to some of the players he brought here but mostly in spite of the moves he made in general.

I know we disagree on this and I think Omar was in a tough position. Win now and rebuild too. That can’t be done in a short period of time and the pressure from the Wilpon win now to fill seats and dig them out of this hole became all consuming which cost a good man his best chance but Omar made a ton of mistakes as well. He isn’t the first one the Wilpon’s pressured to go the quick fix and crash method.

Relax the book on Omar’s era will be open for another decade. We have plenty of time to examine the results and give credit where it is due.

All that cause i jokingly asked “no one thinks Buck Showalter’s Orioles can make the playoffs”?

Some people are just too emotional.

Remind me not to joke at the Nationals expense. DC Niner may really say what’s on his mind.

Hey DC grow up it’s baseball OK?

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AL East – Boston Red Sox
AL Central – Chicago White Sox
AL West – Los Angeles Angels
Wild Card – Minnesota Twins
AL Champion – Boston Red Sox

NL East – Philadelphia Phillies
NL Central – Milwaukee Brewers
NL West – Colorado Rockies
Wild Card – San Francisco Giants
NL Champion – Milwaukee Brewers

World Series Champion – Boston Red Sox

Not becuase of Ronny Paulino, Blaine Boyer, Pedro Beato and DJ Carrasco.

Who do you consider the top five players on the 2011 Mets by the way?