23
2011
Will Emaus and Beato Snap Mets Rule 5 Dry Spell?
An article by Craig Lerner
That’s Kelly Stinnett – the last Mets Rule 5 selection to stick with the Mets for an entire season.
With all the positive news coming out of camp about Mets Rule 5 selections 2B Brad Emaus and RHP Pedro Beato, I thought I would resurrect this post I wrote six weeks ago.
Initially, I thought these kids had literally no chance to stick, now I’m thinking both have a really good chance to stick.
Today, Terry Collins raved about how good Pedro Beato looked, and SNY’s Kevin Burkhardt said he has the best fastball in camp.
Brad Emaus has been the favorite for the second base job from the moment he was selected by the Mets at the Winter Meetings. Today, Collins reiterated that he considers second base to be an offensive position. That would seemingly rule out Ruben Tejada and Luis Castillo, and only Daniel Murphy stands in his way, but first Murph has to prove he can handle the duties and early reports don’t look promising.
So maybe, Sandy Alderson could do what no Mets GM has done in 17 years and actually have at least one Rule 5 selection make the Mets Opening Day roster and stay on it for the entire season.
For the rest of that story, read on.
Original Post 1/12 11:00 AM
Much like we all do every offseason, we enjoy looking ahead and try to figure out what the Opening Day roster will look like. We’ve all seen the projections and for the most part they are all in agreement on about 20-21 of those 25 players.
Two players I seem to see in just about every scenario are Rule 5 Draft selections Brad Emaus and Pedro Beato.
The thing about those two is that unless the Mets add them to their 25 man roster, the players would have to be offered back to their original teams for $25,000 dollars.
I decided to look at all the Mets Rule 5 Draft selections and found that most of these players ”never” make the team and of the very few that do, none of them are able to stick around for very long.
Here is a list of players I came up with after some research.
2010 – 2B Brad Emaus, RHP Pedro Beato
2009 – RHP Carlos Monasterios (sold to LAD)
2008 – RHP Darren O’Day, RHP Rocky Cherry
2007 – RHP Steven Register
2006 – LHP Ricardo Morales
2005 – RHP Mitchell Wylie
2003 – LHP Frank Brooks
2000 – RHP Julio Santana
1999 – RHP Jim Mann
1996 – Ramon Tatits, Terrell Lowery
1994 – RHP Kevin Lomon
1993 – C Kelly Stinnett, C Charlie Greene
1992 – RHP Mike Draper
1990 – LHP Doug Simons
1989 – RHP Brent Knackert
1978 – OF Bobby Brown, OF Mike Howard, SS Bart Shirley, C John Sullivan
1968 – 3B Wayne Garrett
1967 – OF Clyde Mashore
1966 – LF Tommie Reynolds
1965 – LHP Bill Helper, Billy Murphy
1962 – LHP Don Rowe, IF Ted Schreiber
1961 – RHP Bob Moorehead
In the 50 years of Mets Rule 5 Drafts, the Mets have selected a total of 31 players.
It has been 17 years since a player selected in the Rule 5 Draft remained with the team for the entire season, that player was catcher Kelly Stinnett who was drafted in 1993.
Of the 31 players the Mets have selected, eleven of them actually made the Opening Day roster. Of those eleven players, only two of them lasted with the Mets for more than two seasons; Kelly Stinnett who I already mentioned, and Wayne Garrett who was the most productive Rule 5 Draft selection in Mets history.
So in 50 years only two Rule 5 Draftees actually made the team and lasted for more than a couple of seasons!
Slim odds indeed as Rocky Cherry and Darren O’Day found out a couple of seasons ago.
It’s too bad the Mets didn’t hang on to O’Day as he has gone on to be a very effective reliever and heaven knows we sure can use one right now.
As for Pedro Beato getting a bullpen spot, with the signings of Carrasco, Capuano, Buchholz, Bonser and now Tankersley, I think the writing is already on the wall given the fact that K-Rod, Parnell and Misch are virtual locks, and Igarashi and Acosta are still in the picture.
In the case of Brad Emaus, he has a much better chance of sticking, but only if he wins the second base job outright. The Mets already seem to be locked in at utility infielder after the trade for Chin-lung Hu, and by all accounts the Mets have every intention of giving Daniel Murphy a chance to win the job too.
Then of course there’s Luis Castillo who could just surprise everyone and have a solid Spring, and the very underrated Justin Turner who might be the organization’s best option against left-handed pitching at second base.
Don’t be surprised if Beato and Emaus both end up back with the teams they came from, because as you can see history is definitely not on their side.
About the Author: Craig Lerner
I'm a data analyst and researcher for a leading news agency who loves life and is hooked on the Mets. I love following the Amateur Draft and have a particular fondness for the Mets Minor Leagues who I follow each day. Give me a cold beer, a summer day, and a Mets game, and I'm good to go.
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Its the odds of a Rule-5 pitcher being ready, they come with a lot more issues, normally control ones. If they had control and had high velocity, that would be a different issue.
Beato could stick IMO. If anything, just don’t pull the plug on him like Darren O’Day after a few games.
Not keeping O’Day on the roster was most definitely the worst Rule 5 move in history. He is doing extremely well in Texas.
hindsight is 20/20.
there were plenty of us screaming at Omar for that head scratching move at the time too, not just hindsight.
Not so much hindsight, more the WAY we lost him. Figgy coming up to make an emergency start so we lose a player. This team cannot AFFORD to lose anyone who MIGHT be able to help. We lost a young catcher (Flores) to Washington in the rule 5 back in 2006 or 2007 while we had NUMEROUS old players on the 40. Bungled moves like this just KILL a team in our position.
Bungeld roster moves for a team so needy every year is inexcusable.
I concur, Omar moving o’Day merely to make roster room was, in my opinion, ludicrous at the time & IMO one of his most grievously stupid decisions of his tenure. I destinctly recall my confusion @ this decision when it was made. Unless O’Day requested the move because of his discomfort dealing with his close friend’s demise.
Because, it seems evident Emaus was selected through Riccardi’s famiarity with Jay’s organization, I’d think he stands an excellent dshot of being Murph’s platoon partner with Hu as the late defendsive replacement for both. I guess we’ll see what TC has in mind, anyway can either Emaus/Murph ever be scarier consideration @ 2B than Tatis? Emaus is playing 3B in Dominican Wiinterball this yr!
Neither of these players will make the team. Every year everyone gloats over these rule 5 guys and everyear like clockwork they dont make the team. However you get extra credit for mentioning Wayne Garrett.
If ever there was a year to give a guy a shot it is this one. Agreed about Garrett. I had no idea he was a rule 5. Great pick. Guess that explains why he seemingly was here forever.
Starting with the headline, the premise is just silly and ridiculous. There is no way you can compare one player to another first of all, and secondly by the nature of the rule 5 draft every player selected has an extrmely low chance of becoming a major leaguer. Otherwise he would be protected or the team not protecting him would have been able to kae a trade.
Harry, if you had read the beginning to my post you may have seen that the reason I went with that title and with the rest of my post is because on many a Mets web site and even Fangraphs and Beyond the Boxscore, they have Beato and Emaus pencilled into their Opening Day roster projections. This post was intended to show that the chances of that happening are quite slim. That’s all. If you have a better title let me know and I will change it.
I think the title is fine. It works for me.
“There is no way you can compare one player to another….”
I have never heard anyone say that. If they had, I’d respond that the management of every team does it every day. In fact, in every field — industry, sports, government — it is always done.
there is another possibility with these guys. If you can get the timing right, you might be able to sneak them down to AAA. They only have to be offered back to the original team, they don’t have to take them. If that team has a full 40 man roster, they might not have room or feel like cutting another player to take the guy back.
That exactly right alwaysnext year. If Toronto has no room Emaus could go back down and stay in our system. Same with Beato.
I think Emaus will make the team, actually.
I think he has a good shot.
Barring any more acquisitions to fight for 2B, I think at least one of turner or Emaus will make the team (unless they both look like total crap). Even if Murphy wins the starting job, they will carry a back up/platoon guy. It is also possible one of these guys wins the starting job, and both make the team (if Murphy doesn’t).
Beato will just have to beat-out (pun intended) the other rag arms for that last BP spot.
Author mentioned Iggy, which made me wonder. Did he ever clear waivers and accept assignment to the minors with the Mets? Or is he just in limbo?
I actually have him as my surprise breakout performer of the year 9at least pen variety).
Emaus could always serve as a backup 3B and 2B if Murphy wins the 2B job. Nick Evans would be the backup 1B and OF, Hu would be the backup SS and 2B as well. I don’t see Castillo making the team.
Murphy will not win the 2B job, put money on it. Can anyone in their right mind imagine Daniel Murphy straddling the bag, receiving an errant throw from SS, leaping, stepping towards the mound OR…leaping over the runner and firing to 1B? Not me. He won’t be our starting 2B, bank on it. However I can imagine him as a nice sub. I have no opinion on Eamus until I see him in spring training, same with Hu (Who?).
However, I DO know who the best defensive 2B we have is right now, it’s just a matter if he hits enough this spring training. If he does, then the right decision is made. You know – the rookie that boldly called for the daylight play at 2B with K-Rod and got the runner picked off to end the game. Him.
Tejada probably spends most of the season in AAA, which Terry Collins (who should know plenty about the Mets minor leagues) said. Tejada was rushed from rookie ball to A+ by Bernazard and has obviously not developed as a hitter to stay in the majors, but still has some upside to become a solid player. Rushing prospects to fill in the major league roster what the Omar regime did with guys like Mejia and F-Mart, thus hindering their development.
The Mets still have plenty of options at 2B in Murphy, Emaus, and Justin Turner. If Murphy cannot handle 2B then Emaus and Turner has proven to be able to. The scouting reports on Murphy’s defense during Winter Ball were mildly positive. There’s always the option of platooning Murphy with Emaus or Turner. And if Reese Havens can stay healthy he could get some playing time at the end of the season.
“Rushing prospects to fill in the major league roster what the Omar regime did with guys like Mejia and F-Mart, thus hindering their development.”
How did having Mejia come up for a little bit hinder his development? How do you know that? Maybe some getting big league experience helped his development? It could have helped him mature as a pitcher, and as a person. You don’t know.
Mejia had barely 200+ innings in the minors. Compare him to a another highly touted prospect like Kyle Drabek had 430 IP in the minors. Tommy Hanson had 389 IP. Mejia should have spent most of the past season in AA and AAA. Minor league expert John Sickles actually wrote a post about how stupid it was to bring up Mejia.
http://www.minorleagueball.com/2010/10/29/1781800/jenrry-mejia-comment
TruFan,
Vinnie B is not talking about numbers he’s talking about the experience helping Mejia, the maturation of a young man, not hurting him. We will see.
As t agee wrote below, Mejia had no chance to work on his curveball and changeup during his time in the majors, pitches that are essential to for him to becoming a quality major league starting pitcher. I don’t care what Mejia may have said about what experience he gained with the Mets, but you cannot improve your pitches if you don’t throw them. Also it starts his arbitration clock toiling as a bullpen fodder, which is a retarded move for your top pitching prospect.
How about the idea of a young player forcing his way up here while maturing in the minors. Coming up here with a demonstrated pattern of success and being prepared ahead of time for the role they will fill?
Omar spent all the money. he was looking to fill every spot as cheaply as possible. Other teams rejects, ill prepared 20 year olds, AAA fillers. Whoever, with absolutely no regard whatsoever to how these various players fit together, who could do what, or anything else.
That’s why we had a DH and a towel boy on the roster all year while everyone else played with 25.
TruFan,
You said you that bringing him up hindered his development, and now even if Mejia said the experienced helped him, you STILL say it was bad. why?
Because of numbers? Eeven though Mejia learned alot from his short time up here, it’s still bad because he didn’t reach 200+ innings? Why should that matter? If it was a GOOD experienece for him then how could it be a BAD thing?
It makes no sense, but hey whatever the numbers say, right?
It was a good experience after riding buses in the Minor leagues. As far as developing him for the future it was a hindrance because he was told by his manager not to throw any of the pitches he needs to learn in games. How was it a positive? Nicer hotels, better meal money, Charlie Samuels?
Young prospects should not be up here until they are ready to begin their Major League Career’s succesfully.
I don’t know for a fact Vinny. It’s my opinion though that he has a better than average chance to be a really good starting pitcher. Exactly what we need and one of the most valuable commodities a team can have.
Jerry Manuel specifically insisted that he abandon all his pitches except the cutter. Now how is that going to help a young pitcher develop?
Then he goes back down after pitching very few even medium leverage innings up here and has to be stretched out to be able to start games again. Then when he gets back up here he gets hurt (anyone here anything about him?) I can’t say if he got hurt because of the yanking back and forth between the Majors and Minors, Bull pen and rotation, but I know it cost him valuable time pitching 3 and 4 times to the same hitters in the line up and working on different pitches and it certainly cost one of his options and maybe even a year of team control.
Considering he wasn’t even used in very important situations up here what good did it do him or us?
I agree and Mejia himself was quoted to say that he learned a lot in his brief time in the majors.
If Mejia didnt klearn something I would be highly disappointed in him.
The point is that he we will never know if what he learned out weighs what he could of learned if he was kept on his path of being a starter?
You are right no one knows if his development was hurt or not but we can say that his use at the majors for us was of minimal benefit to the Mets due to his lack of use especially in big spots.
Yeah I’ll bet he learned a lot hanging around with Ollie.
Ollie showed him what not to do LoL.
Because the middle relief roll is very different from being a starter. also, Manuel limited his pitch selection so he had little chances to further develope anything other than his cutter.
So the hell what?
“I agree and Mejia himself was quoted to say that he learned a lot in his brief time in the majors”
So if that’s true, then isn’t it a GOOD thing? The experience HELPED Mejia, it didn’t hurt him.
???
“The point is that he we will never know if what he learned out weighs what he could of learned if he was kept on his path of being a starter?”
metsmerizedonline.com/2011/01/mets-rule-5-history-doesnt-bode-well-for-emaus-and-beato.html#comment-117539
Mejia was brought up here for one reason and one reason only. He cost the minimum. Period. Omar had one last chance, blew his few remaining chips on Bay and had to cheap out every where else. Hense GMJ, Jacobs, Cattalanotto, Carter and Mejia. Same reason he didn’t get rid of Perez in June. He would have had to pay someone to replace him and he had already busted. Same reason he sold the two picks that Wagner could have brought, to save the bottom line 1M in slary 1.5 Mil in the buyout, 2.5 mil to the two picks for their signing bonus. He knew he was the longest of long shots with the type of roster he was reduced to going with and those 2 picks were as likely to help him as Perez was so he just sold’em. Living large on the weekend and sifting through the trash M-F. What a plan, what a team.
Read my comments later you are very wrong about Murphy.
Bayonne says Murphy won’t win the job because he’s the odds on favorite to, and rightly so. So when he IS named the second baseman and Tejada doesn’t even make the roster, we can all bank on hearing more moaning and complaining about how this “sabermetric” regime is the root of all evil. Tejada won’t make the roster because of sabermetrics, not because he can’t hit his weight.
THAT I’ll put money on.
$200.00 says Murphy WILL NOT win the starting 2B job. As for Tejada, I hope he hits in spring training because if he does he will be the best choice for the job because he is smart, already their BEST defensive 2B and will get better – defense and pitching wins championships. Not hitting. I can’t bet that he will make the roster but I am rooting for him.
I’m rooting for him, too. I’d much rather see him there than Murphy, so long as can not embarrass himself with the bat. But I can’t have anyone who makes that many errors in so few chances at such an important defensive position AND can’t hit sand if he fell off a camel. Hopefully he grew up this winter.
BUT……but, I don’t want to see if he grew up in Spring Training. I want to see it over a sustained stint in AAA. Let second base sort itself out with guys that need to prove NOW what they have: Castillo, Emaus, and Turner. Tejada’s only 21. The Mets have plenty of time to get his best years out him. Let’s use Spring Training to sort out the dead weight.
Castillo, Emaus, Turner and Murphy, of course. I really should start proofing before submitting.
X, Turner and Emaus would most likely be lost if they didn’t make the team. Does Murphy have any options left?
How about if your wrong for a month you change your screen name to “Bayonne #1 saber Mets fan”?
If Xtreem loses he can change his name to Xtreem Bayonne is my daddy icon”?
LoL
Just a few months ago you were betting that Tejada was going to be on major league roster. Is the dose of reality from the front office unnerving you? LOL
How’s Jerry Manuel doing coaching his baseball team at William jessep college as you kept on insisting? You know..the college with no baseball team and you came here and said he’s on a plane that day headed to do that.
What does that have to do with what des asked? Are you admitting that you can make a mistake like Des did then?
stay on topic
Bayonne, sometimes you’re a bit wacky.
I said Jerry was going to a small California Christian college, William Jessup, to manage the baseball team. That is true. The college moved to its present 128 acre campus several years ago. Jerry, his wife, Renette, and son, Anthony, are now working to help finish Phase II of the expansion of the school. Some $15 million has already been raised and the target is $10 Million more. When this phase is completed, the college is installing a baseball field and other athletic facilities.
Farnum Smith, William Jessup’s athletic director, said, “This is really big for us, huge. We never dreamed that this could happen. He gives us great name recognition.” President Bryce Jessup said, “When I met Jerry, I asked him if he’d be willing to show me how to put together a top-notch baseball program. When he said, ‘How about if I coach it, too?’ (I was) thrilled.”
So the plan is for the small NAIA college will field a first class baseball team. The plan is in motion.
Back last fall, when Jerry left New York after the season to fly to Sacramento, it was to go back home and manage at the college level. Jerry said it has been a lifelong dream to coach at the college level and impart some of his devout Christian values.
If you don’t get it now, all hope is lost.
He has been using that line to belittle you b4 I ever even saw or had any idea who you was or even saw you comment so I am glad I got the other side of the story finally.
Thanks
Des I knew they were doing a fund raiser for it back in 2007 – according the article that was written. You’re changing your tune now, you said he was flying back to CA to manage the college team for William Jessup college and you gave a link – from a writer who gave the link in HIS story which was first published in 2007. You just got it all straightened out now, and you spent the last few hours researching it and making it look like now that’s what you said in the first place.
You old battle ax, you guys like to embellish your stories, like the time you knew what David Wright said to reporters after one of your defenses of him. Take a hike.
and anybody who believes what you say just at face value choose to because of their own selective prejudices they turn on and off all the time. Not me, I hate everything, lol.
LOL
You’re stupid. Goodbye.
yeah sure…you go ahead, do some research on a story then try to pass it off as what you said in the first place. I hope you have high cholesterol lol
Bayonne,
I fleshed out the story with details because when I originally tried to explain it to you, I obviously failed. You attack, attack, attack. My original story was 100% correct. I gave you the internals of the story but I doubt it means anything to you because you seem to take a position on your posts and defend the position to the end, regardless of any additional evidence. I changed no salient facts in my story, but I gave supporting details. Too bad you are so hostile.
How many years have you two been arguing over this Jessup College story? Give it a break already?
Squidoo,
he comes after me, I don’t go after him. He asked for it – he’s quoting a story from almost 5 years ago!!! And passing it on as present day.
WAIT A SECOND…WAIT A SECOND!!
Everything you said right here is a DIRECT QUOTE from that Feb 2007 article I mentioned!!!!!
Are you kidding me??
Here’s the article – and des is almost quoting it word for word! – FROM Feb 2007!!
http://naiabaseball.collegefanz.com/article.php?articleID=3408
and when did he fly to Sacramento? I never heard in ANY media, ANYONE mention he was flying to Sacramento. Are you kidding??????
Unless there is a new fundraiser THIS YEAR, You’ve made yourself look bad BIG TIME pal! You AND your believers.
YOU LIAR!!
I said I fleshed out the story tonight because you didn’t believe me when I originally talked about Jerry. It is all true. What difference does it make when the material was published as long as it’s all consistent?
I knew from Day One that the story was true and consistent. You, for some strange reason, want to fight all the time. Your biggest enemy is YOU.
The acid test is whether everything is true and it all hangs together. I’m thinking nothing will ever please you.
From now on fight with yourself. I think you really have a problem. And it’s not about facts.
That’s like me saying “Hey Des did you know Todd Hundley once hit 41 HRs?” and you saying “Wow, when did he do that?”
..and then me saying “Oh, what difference does it make when he did it but he did do it once. It’s true.
lol, nobody does that!
you just want to soften the impact, now.
des spare yourself any further time on this just say the following “stop putting words in my mouth and twisting what i say” that seems 2 be enough for some around here.
also show me where I said Tejada WILL make the roster. He SHOULD make it, I hope he makes it but I don’t think I ever said he WILL. You, Des of all the lies and claiming people do and say things because you imagine it. But we already went over that.
And if I did say it, after Sandy and Terry both said he should get time in AAA first it would be silly for me to keep believing that right? Now I’m HOPING he does. I still believe he’s the best choice but i have to see how this rule 5 guy pans out
fair enough can you show where des said about william jessep college?
Bayonne, I’m not going to respond to you. You’re just intransigent. It’s a waste of time.
You’re not gonna respond because it’s another one of your lies, another one of your embellishments. But that’s okay, old people like to tell old wives tales and embellish the stories..no problem, I’ll probably do it too one day.
X, I like Murph myself but I really don’t see him playing 2B. I’m more than willing to see what he looks like there and I hope he can but even just getting to the bag, without cheating, is difficult for corner infielders. Fluidity and athleticism is such a big part of playing in the middle, combine that with pressure to establish himself (like Pagan on the bases in 2009 or Murphy at times at 1B) defensively AND hit major league pitching (he only really had 2 good months and that was over a year ago) and it’s going to be tough.
Tejada clearly wasn’t ready last year although he didn’t look over matched to me but to use up yet another year of team control when he couldn’t have possibly matured enough over one off season would be a waste.
Sometimes I wish the Mets had simply made Murphy a catcher in 2006 and I’ll bet he would have made it there. Projecting Met prospects ability to play certain positions has been a glaring defect for us, for years.
I bet that Murphy does make the everyday 2nd baseman and you are all wrong saying he will not. He can make the plays and I watched him at the winter games on my computer.Scouts say he has a good range and is satisfactory on plays.His bat will also determine that he is the one.We will see who is right in ST. Emaus will make a bench player and Turner will go to the minors. Castillo will be out.