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	<title>Comments on: Was Ollie Guaranteed a Spot on the Roster?</title>
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		<title>By: t agee</title>
		<link>http://metsmerizedonline.com/2011/02/was-ollie-guaranteed-a-spot-on-the-roster.html#comment-133955</link>
		<dc:creator>t agee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Feb 2011 21:05:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Willie did a good job here, a real good job.  He had a team that acted and played professionally, utilized his bench and bullpen very well and until Bernazard exploited a crack between Willie and ownership for his own reasons, things were going well.  So well in fact that had Bernazard not done what he did the poorly made over bull pen never would have mattered until the post season.  Wagner might even have been available by then.

     Jerry did a real good job in 2008 too helped in part by Delgado rediscovering his ability to punish an inside belt high fastball.  With the kind of bench Manuel had to work with in 2009 and 2010 his options included hopeing no one got hurt and hopeing no one got hurt.  That&#039;s it.  That&#039;s not a good plan and it becomes a truly impossible plan when people do get hurt.

     When theses guys had something to work with and were injury free things went well.  Willie had a bullpen that under him had three relievers qualify as Type A free agents in 2006.  If that doesn&#039;t indicate expert utilization of the pen I don&#039;t know what does.

     When you lose one of the three to injury, 2 of them to free agency, lose your closer to injury, lose Oliver, sign Schowenweiss and resign Moto despite knowing his only success to date was under PED&#039;s, well I don&#039;t know what Willie was supposed to do.  For that matter I don&#039;t know what Connie Mack, John McGraw, Sparky Anderson or anyone else could have done either.

     Every other day a different reliever would blow the game, he tried everyone.  His aged rotation led to too many starts by guys named Sosa, Lawrence, Williams, Park and Vargas.  His LFer played 2/3 rds of the season his 2nd basemen 1/3rd, at 40 and 37 years of age that couldn&#039;t have come as a surprise.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Willie did a good job here, a real good job.  He had a team that acted and played professionally, utilized his bench and bullpen very well and until Bernazard exploited a crack between Willie and ownership for his own reasons, things were going well.  So well in fact that had Bernazard not done what he did the poorly made over bull pen never would have mattered until the post season.  Wagner might even have been available by then.</p>
<p>     Jerry did a real good job in 2008 too helped in part by Delgado rediscovering his ability to punish an inside belt high fastball.  With the kind of bench Manuel had to work with in 2009 and 2010 his options included hopeing no one got hurt and hopeing no one got hurt.  That&#8217;s it.  That&#8217;s not a good plan and it becomes a truly impossible plan when people do get hurt.</p>
<p>     When theses guys had something to work with and were injury free things went well.  Willie had a bullpen that under him had three relievers qualify as Type A free agents in 2006.  If that doesn&#8217;t indicate expert utilization of the pen I don&#8217;t know what does.</p>
<p>     When you lose one of the three to injury, 2 of them to free agency, lose your closer to injury, lose Oliver, sign Schowenweiss and resign Moto despite knowing his only success to date was under PED&#8217;s, well I don&#8217;t know what Willie was supposed to do.  For that matter I don&#8217;t know what Connie Mack, John McGraw, Sparky Anderson or anyone else could have done either.</p>
<p>     Every other day a different reliever would blow the game, he tried everyone.  His aged rotation led to too many starts by guys named Sosa, Lawrence, Williams, Park and Vargas.  His LFer played 2/3 rds of the season his 2nd basemen 1/3rd, at 40 and 37 years of age that couldn&#8217;t have come as a surprise.</p>
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		<title>By: Bayonne Mets Fan</title>
		<link>http://metsmerizedonline.com/2011/02/was-ollie-guaranteed-a-spot-on-the-roster.html#comment-133941</link>
		<dc:creator>Bayonne Mets Fan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Feb 2011 20:19:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I never said Moneyball guys don&#039;t want to use traditional scouting so that&#039;s wrong right there.  

I can&#039;t speak for Francesa although I doubt it very much he would say something like that unless it was in the context of an off-the-cuff comment.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I never said Moneyball guys don&#8217;t want to use traditional scouting so that&#8217;s wrong right there.  </p>
<p>I can&#8217;t speak for Francesa although I doubt it very much he would say something like that unless it was in the context of an off-the-cuff comment.</p>
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		<title>By: t agee</title>
		<link>http://metsmerizedonline.com/2011/02/was-ollie-guaranteed-a-spot-on-the-roster.html#comment-133929</link>
		<dc:creator>t agee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Feb 2011 19:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t see how Francesa could get this one as ludicrously wrong as he does so many other things.

     The number of scouts employed under the Minaya regime went down every year.  Last year they had one scout for the entire NL.

     Alderson has 1 scout for 3 organizations (top to bottom)

     Scouting is making a return to this organization, not the other way around and not a minute too soon.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t see how Francesa could get this one as ludicrously wrong as he does so many other things.</p>
<p>     The number of scouts employed under the Minaya regime went down every year.  Last year they had one scout for the entire NL.</p>
<p>     Alderson has 1 scout for 3 organizations (top to bottom)</p>
<p>     Scouting is making a return to this organization, not the other way around and not a minute too soon.</p>
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		<title>By: Donal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Donal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Feb 2011 18:43:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I keep overestimating the internet]]></description>
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		<title>By: Donal</title>
		<link>http://metsmerizedonline.com/2011/02/was-ollie-guaranteed-a-spot-on-the-roster.html#comment-133905</link>
		<dc:creator>Donal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Feb 2011 18:26:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bayonne has used the Bill Palscke gem of referring to guys like Depodesta as &quot;Google boy&quot;, as if it is an insult. He&#039;s also echoed the claim of Yankee mouthpiece Mike Francesa that &quot;moneyball guys&quot; don&#039;t want to use traditional scouting.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bayonne has used the Bill Palscke gem of referring to guys like Depodesta as &#8220;Google boy&#8221;, as if it is an insult. He&#8217;s also echoed the claim of Yankee mouthpiece Mike Francesa that &#8220;moneyball guys&#8221; don&#8217;t want to use traditional scouting.</p>
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		<title>By: t agee</title>
		<link>http://metsmerizedonline.com/2011/02/was-ollie-guaranteed-a-spot-on-the-roster.html#comment-133825</link>
		<dc:creator>t agee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Feb 2011 13:22:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bay was signed last year Bayonne.  You know that.  Omar has never been restrained financially at any point in his tenure.  I think by mid July he was no longer going to be making decisions that affected the team beyond say Francouer for Arias salary dump deals for instance.

     He didn&#039;t sign any IFA&#039;s in July this year and that is very telling both for him and for the Wilpon&#039;s.

     There is no denying he was able to add 66-80 M in financial commitments for opening day.

     What we got out of Bay as a 32 year old wasn&#039;t more than we could have gotten out of a career minor leaguer.

     Pinero 2/16 and Chapman 6/30 were two unijured pitchers who would have made much more of an impact than Bay and at half the price and no loss of a draft choice as well.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bay was signed last year Bayonne.  You know that.  Omar has never been restrained financially at any point in his tenure.  I think by mid July he was no longer going to be making decisions that affected the team beyond say Francouer for Arias salary dump deals for instance.</p>
<p>     He didn&#8217;t sign any IFA&#8217;s in July this year and that is very telling both for him and for the Wilpon&#8217;s.</p>
<p>     There is no denying he was able to add 66-80 M in financial commitments for opening day.</p>
<p>     What we got out of Bay as a 32 year old wasn&#8217;t more than we could have gotten out of a career minor leaguer.</p>
<p>     Pinero 2/16 and Chapman 6/30 were two unijured pitchers who would have made much more of an impact than Bay and at half the price and no loss of a draft choice as well.</p>
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		<title>By: t agee</title>
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		<dc:creator>t agee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Feb 2011 13:07:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Big difference being financially restrained in your last couple of months as opposed to your first or all of your months wouldn&#039;t you agree?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Big difference being financially restrained in your last couple of months as opposed to your first or all of your months wouldn&#8217;t you agree?</p>
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		<title>By: Mr North Jersey</title>
		<link>http://metsmerizedonline.com/2011/02/was-ollie-guaranteed-a-spot-on-the-roster.html#comment-133732</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr North Jersey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Feb 2011 04:21:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Considering how you dislike being misinterpreted you really should be more specific.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Considering how you dislike being misinterpreted you really should be more specific.</p>
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		<title>By: Bayonne Mets Fan</title>
		<link>http://metsmerizedonline.com/2011/02/was-ollie-guaranteed-a-spot-on-the-roster.html#comment-133717</link>
		<dc:creator>Bayonne Mets Fan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Feb 2011 03:33:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Obviously I knew about the Bay signing...c&#039;mon man..use your common sense.

I should&#039;ve clarifed after the Bay signing, by the time the drama with Ollie occurred - he was probably under financial constraint by that time.   sighs.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obviously I knew about the Bay signing&#8230;c&#8217;mon man..use your common sense.</p>
<p>I should&#8217;ve clarifed after the Bay signing, by the time the drama with Ollie occurred &#8211; he was probably under financial constraint by that time.   sighs.</p>
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		<title>By: t agee</title>
		<link>http://metsmerizedonline.com/2011/02/was-ollie-guaranteed-a-spot-on-the-roster.html#comment-133714</link>
		<dc:creator>t agee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Feb 2011 03:22:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m not jumping all over a guy who got hired to clean up a mess because he hasn&#039;t continued to do the things that got us into this mess.

     He would have been at best my 4th choice but that doesn&#039;t mean I&#039;m going to scream like a lunitic about everything he does or says because I like one stat more than he does and vice versa.

     I&#039;m going to root for him to be successful just like I rooted for Omar to be successful.  Despite having some serious reservations I didn&#039;t speak out against any od Omar&#039;s decisions until 2008.  I figured he knew what he was doing.  I was a big supporter of him.  I thought we were finally going to get some of our own Vladimir Guerero&#039;s and Omar Vizquels, BEFORE they were on their last legs.  That wasn&#039;t the case.  Not by a long shot.  He spent us into 4th place

     You cannot refute any of my criticisms about our short sighted approach year after year so you try to make up lies about me and change things around.

     I don&#039;t give a fiddlers f**k what you have to say or think Harry.  Your rooting against the Mets because they haven&#039;t spent enough money to make you happy despite having the highest payroll in the entire NL over the last two decades and having three post season appearances to show for it.

     Your a spoiled little rich boy admiring the business model of the wealthy, afraid to get their hands dirty by developing their own players instead of hanging around the table looking for scraps from people unafraid to roll up their sleeves, spend some money 4 or 5 years before it pays off and having the balls to prepare ahead of time for teams one, two, three, four and five years into the future.

     Your a Yankee lover.  Go worship your God Steinbrenner.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not jumping all over a guy who got hired to clean up a mess because he hasn&#8217;t continued to do the things that got us into this mess.</p>
<p>     He would have been at best my 4th choice but that doesn&#8217;t mean I&#8217;m going to scream like a lunitic about everything he does or says because I like one stat more than he does and vice versa.</p>
<p>     I&#8217;m going to root for him to be successful just like I rooted for Omar to be successful.  Despite having some serious reservations I didn&#8217;t speak out against any od Omar&#8217;s decisions until 2008.  I figured he knew what he was doing.  I was a big supporter of him.  I thought we were finally going to get some of our own Vladimir Guerero&#8217;s and Omar Vizquels, BEFORE they were on their last legs.  That wasn&#8217;t the case.  Not by a long shot.  He spent us into 4th place</p>
<p>     You cannot refute any of my criticisms about our short sighted approach year after year so you try to make up lies about me and change things around.</p>
<p>     I don&#8217;t give a fiddlers f**k what you have to say or think Harry.  Your rooting against the Mets because they haven&#8217;t spent enough money to make you happy despite having the highest payroll in the entire NL over the last two decades and having three post season appearances to show for it.</p>
<p>     Your a spoiled little rich boy admiring the business model of the wealthy, afraid to get their hands dirty by developing their own players instead of hanging around the table looking for scraps from people unafraid to roll up their sleeves, spend some money 4 or 5 years before it pays off and having the balls to prepare ahead of time for teams one, two, three, four and five years into the future.</p>
<p>     Your a Yankee lover.  Go worship your God Steinbrenner.</p>
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		<title>By: t agee</title>
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		<dc:creator>t agee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Feb 2011 02:58:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[66 M your wrong.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>66 M your wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: XtreemIcon</title>
		<link>http://metsmerizedonline.com/2011/02/was-ollie-guaranteed-a-spot-on-the-roster.html#comment-133689</link>
		<dc:creator>XtreemIcon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Feb 2011 02:11:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Right.  I don&#039;t see the Mets acknowledging anything except that Perez will get a fair shake.  That&#039;s all.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right.  I don&#8217;t see the Mets acknowledging anything except that Perez will get a fair shake.  That&#8217;s all.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr North Jersey</title>
		<link>http://metsmerizedonline.com/2011/02/was-ollie-guaranteed-a-spot-on-the-roster.html#comment-133681</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr North Jersey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Feb 2011 02:02:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just so there is no confusion Xtreem is refering to this exactly if I am not mistaken.

&quot;Perez agreed he will go to the bullpen.&quot;

&quot;Perez agreed&quot; not the Mets agreed.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just so there is no confusion Xtreem is refering to this exactly if I am not mistaken.</p>
<p>&#8220;Perez agreed he will go to the bullpen.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Perez agreed&#8221; not the Mets agreed.</p>
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		<title>By: XtreemIcon</title>
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		<dc:creator>XtreemIcon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Feb 2011 01:57:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t see that at all?  How do you see that?  Perez said he&#039;d go to the pen.  Where do you see the Mets said he&#039;d go to the pen?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t see that at all?  How do you see that?  Perez said he&#8217;d go to the pen.  Where do you see the Mets said he&#8217;d go to the pen?</p>
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		<title>By: Mr North Jersey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr North Jersey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Feb 2011 01:36:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You see that even in that statement there is a discrepancy though right between &quot;pretty much&quot; and &quot;guarnteed&quot;?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You see that even in that statement there is a discrepancy though right between &#8220;pretty much&#8221; and &#8220;guarnteed&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: Brandon Butler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brandon Butler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Feb 2011 01:18:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Xtreem, it pretty much means its guaranteed.  If he doesn&#039;t get the rotation spot, he goes to the bullpen as a reliever. So pretty much it means its guaranteed.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Xtreem, it pretty much means its guaranteed.  If he doesn&#8217;t get the rotation spot, he goes to the bullpen as a reliever. So pretty much it means its guaranteed.</p>
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		<title>By: t agee</title>
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		<dc:creator>t agee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Feb 2011 23:15:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks Harry,  I will, and the first thing I&#039;ll do is buy everyone a nice cool refreshing mojito and we&#039;ll all toast you inbetween every base on balls.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Harry,  I will, and the first thing I&#8217;ll do is buy everyone a nice cool refreshing mojito and we&#8217;ll all toast you inbetween every base on balls.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr North Jersey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr North Jersey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Feb 2011 22:49:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Is everything OK Harry?

I believe I used the words &quot;may be&quot; and &quot;In my opinion&quot;.

Not sure what is it you think I am twisting? I simply said I think he may have read too much into it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is everything OK Harry?</p>
<p>I believe I used the words &#8220;may be&#8221; and &#8220;In my opinion&#8221;.</p>
<p>Not sure what is it you think I am twisting? I simply said I think he may have read too much into it.</p>
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		<title>By: Harry C</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harry C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Feb 2011 22:48:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hey Marla,,, al  it took was use of your brain to know that Sandy Alderson would do anything and agree to anything to stop checking those birth records in the DR.   If he was still such a great GM why was that the only gig he could get until the desperate Wilpons went to small market Bud for help.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Marla,,, al  it took was use of your brain to know that Sandy Alderson would do anything and agree to anything to stop checking those birth records in the DR.   If he was still such a great GM why was that the only gig he could get until the desperate Wilpons went to small market Bud for help.</p>
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		<title>By: Bayonne Mets Fan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bayonne Mets Fan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Feb 2011 22:47:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Actually last year Omar probably was under a financial constraint]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually last year Omar probably was under a financial constraint</p>
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