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2011
Mets Not On Michael Young’s Trade List
An article by Hojo's Mojo
Update 2/8 11: 25 AM
Just a quick update from MetsBlog who reports that the Mets are not one of the eight teams on Michael Young‘s list of where he is willing to be traded, according to Elysian Fields of MLB.com.
Original Post 2/7/ 2:00 PM
According to Tim Brown of Yahoo! Sports, the Texas Rangers have told infielder Michael Young that they will attempt to trade him in the coming days.
The Rangers are known to have been in contact with the Colorado Rockies and Los Angeles Angels. The Rockies are believed to be Young’s most likely destination. The Rangers probably would rather not trade Young to the Angels, who share the American League West, but also would like to heed the wishes of Young, a loyal and productive player for a decade.
Brown says that it came from a source close to the situation, and the reason is partly because Young has grown disillusioned with his diminished role on the team.
Young is a six-time All Star and can play shortstop, second base and third. Last season he batted .284 with 21 homers and 91 RBIs.
He still has three years left on his contract that will pay him $48 million dollars, and the Rangers are open to kicking back money to make a deal happen.
I always liked Michael Young and a few years ago when he rumored to be on the block, I was hoping the Mets would try to get before they decided to re-sign Luis Castillo.
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While it would be nice to have his offense and Texas would probably pick up some of the cash, I still wouldn’t do it.
He’s 34 and hasn’t played 2B since 2003. Texas is also going to want some major league ready prospects. The Mets can’t really afford a soon to be DH coming to the end of his career.
I don’t think you will have to worry about it. The Mets aren’t even going to take a sniff at Young. He’s owed $48 million over the next 3 years…3 years from now, the Mets want their entire payroll to be around $48 million.
3 years from now? If Sandy “Bargain Basement” Alderson had his way, the Mets payroll would be $48 million in 2011! He’ll be well on his way when he cuts Reyes loose, he’ll then hand SS over to either Reuben Tejeda or Chin Lin Hu (althogh neither fits the “Moneyball” profile of high OBP and OPS). Then, after the 2012 season he’ll save even more by letting David Wright walk and replace him with Brad Emaus, whom the Mets already see as a better fit at 3B than 2B. The writing is on the wall folks. Sandy Alderson intends to turn the Mets into Pittsburgh, East. To me, he appears two faced. When he first came on board he spoke of how “Moneyball” isn’t just about OBP and plate discipline, that other aspects, such as baserunning, etc.,etc. factored in as well. Well, now he’s calling steals a mere footnote to wins and losses. It seems as though he’s contradicting previous statements. He talked of taking advantage of the resources available to a team in NYC to build a consistent winner, yet he thinks $140 million is too high for payroll.
Now don’t get me wrong, it is very possible to build a winner with a smaller budget. Minnesota proves it every year. Tampa Bay did it from 2008-10. But the Mets aren’t in Minneapolis or Tampa Bay, they’re in New York. They have greater sources of revenue and there’s no reason not to use it. Of course, the Wilpons have put him in a situation where he may have no choice but to cut ties with Wright and Reyes in order for the owners to climb out of the financial disaster they have gotten themselves into. Nevertheless, regardless of the ownership situation, the Mets are no better off with Alderson than with Minaya.
Here’s a BIG shout out to our owners: “THANK YOU FRED, JEFF, & SAUL FOR SCREWING THE FANS OVER ROYALLY! SELL THE TEAM BEFORE YOU COMPLETELY RUIN THIS FRANCHISE!”
Amazing how you have it all figured out.
he is right on. the mets are done till the wilpons sell, I have been saying it for years now. it is amazing how chris, jeesep and crew have gone silent. there is nothing that can be said now. the mets are a 4th place team looking for bargins and the teams all around them try to improve each yr and all you they do is make a different excuse each yr why they are not good. the results dont lie. 86 was 25 years ago.
I think they aren’t saying a lot right because it’s winter. Not too much ball being played now.
I see so he is right you say? OK I’ll just agree to disagree because trying to expand on why the Mets will never be one of the bottom 5 teams in payroll is just a waste of time.
What really is amazin jersey man is that you act like you have it all figured out and make this baby compl,aint to another who does have it figured out. Enjoy the decade of losing. You Jersey deserve it. 86 deserves a winner. He has a brain and uses it. You can only mime what is fed to you by the Mets via SNY or the holy grail of Matt I know nbothing but triple talk, Cerrone.
“They’re not in Minneapolis or Tampa, they’re in NY.” Therefore they should continue the same tired, almost guaranteed to fail plan that has worked so well here since “the worst team money can buy.”
Yeah, lets keep throwing money at every aging retread who wants to get paid for the good work he did elsewhere before fading off into the sunset.
“No better off with Alderson than Minaya.” Ha ha. Good one. Well for one thing I don’t believe we’ll be devoting one roster spot to a completely useless pitcher and another to a DH we traded two of the top 40 amateur players in the whole country for. I can’t say how it will go at 2B but at least we have a couple of options there that aren’t named Cora, speaking of which I highly doubt we’ll have to DFA the entire bench again like we did last year and I also doubt that we’ll have 14 “hitters” who couldn’t even get OB at a higher percent than TWO starting pitchers did, and this in year SIX of the plan. Wow. I wonder what ideas were being considered for year 7?
Not any better off? Surely you jest.
Really t agee…. your schtick is old worn out and boring… You want a team of 22 year olds… You really need to be a Royals fan. They are your model franchise. Young and horrid and boring, just like your posts have become. Lets face it.. You just hate Omar Minaya. Horrible moves made by Alderson are revelled by you. You really are a fraud. But hey, soon you’ll have your one millionth post extolling the virtues of having a team of $417,000 players. I know you want to get drunk at the beauty known as cityfield but you don’t have to cheer the demise of the franchise just so you don’t have to wait on line.
I didn’t have to wait on line the last two years Harry.
Tell me the truth. You would rather have one year of David Weathers rather than six years of Brian McCann OR Jon Lester?
One and a half years of Wagner for 44 M or six years of Kyle Drabek?
Two years of Alou (actually 100 games over two years) for 15 M or six years of Mike Stanton in RF?
Four years of K-Rod at 54 M or six years of Mike Trout in CF?
One year of Chris Carter or six years of Kolbin Vitek #9 ranked prospect (2B) and Anthony Ranaudo #3 ranked prospect (starting pitcher) in the Red Sox minor league system.
One year of Kevin Appier and 2 years of Mo Vaughn or six years of Dan Haren.
If you answered with the expensive free agent I will assume you have a common ancestor with one of our former GM’s.
Harry, I cannot understand why you would prefer to get the last (and worst) years of a players career WHILE paying them the largest amount of their career. That doesn’t make any sense in any other business does it?
Do you pay 3 times as much for a used car as a new one?
Do you Pay for the penthouse and live in the super’s apartment?
Do you buy box seats and sit in the bleachers?
Why would you want the last and most expensive years of a players career? There’s already 20 years of evidence that that is far more likely to result in an under .500 season than it would result in 90 wins in a year.
For the last 20 years the Wilpon, under varying GM’s has attempted to play check book baseball and the result is that we have won 90 games 3 times. We have been under .500 11 times.
Get it? Won 90 or more 3 times and finished under .500 ELEVEN TIMES. ALL WITH A TOP 5 PAYROLL. And you want to continue doing the same thing? Wow! and you accuse me of being boring.
Grow a pair Harry, stop being a lemming picking the rotten fruit off the tree while all 29 teams snicker behind your back.
For the record I have not been extolling Alderson’s off season moves. The closest I’ve come is to say that they appear well thought out considering the miserable financial wreckage he’s had to work around due to the Owners situation and the freaks that fleeced Omar. And those moves do not seem like they will be preventing us from obtaining better players so we won’t have to live with freaks like Omar brought over here when better smarter options present themselves sometime perhaps after the new GM has been here more than say 3 months.
Considering all the mutants, retreads, castoff’s, rejects, neanderthall cromagnon cave dwellers and elderly and extremely well compensated but very brittle former All Stars Omar brought over here in a six year period at least we won’t have to live with these guys very long.
I understand that your swami is now doing what he does best, Recruiting elderly gentlemen to a local retirement facility and giving them lot’s of money to stay there and lounge around. I also understand that he has hired a new pool boy to keep him company by the name of Oliver Perez who will be starting full time as soon as his current employer finds the will to let him move on.
beltran was not aging when he got his deal
santana was not aging when he got his deal
k-rod was not aging when he got his deal
ollie sucks, but he wasn’t aging when he got his deal. in fact, a big reason why we ended up with ollie instead of lowe was age.
so I understand where you’re coming from, but for the biggest contracts, your logic is flawed.
If the money didn’t hamper you in other ways it would be inconsequential. Pedro pitched 79 games in 4 years and cost us a #2 draft choice. Alou played 100 games over 2 years and cost us a #1 draft choice. El Duque went down on the eve of the playoffs and again the next year for 15M. Wagner threw in 183 games over 4 years and cost us a #1 draft choice and yet we could have gotten two more back when he left. Castillo (32 and needed surgery on both knees) and Perez could have left 2 more picks behind if they had left and we would have been 60 M better if they had. K-Rod cost us a #1 pick and 36-54 M Santana and Beltran weren’t old when they signed their 7 year deals but 7 years and 250 M later….Bay cost us a #2 pick and signed for 4 w/an easy vest 5th making him 36 at the end of his 80 M deal.
That’s 8 1st supp or 2nd round picks we passed on all for players who would be passed their prime mid contract, sucked got hurt or all three.
Even if only 4 of those picks panned out how would you fell about the Mets if we had Kyle Drabek and Tommy Hunter in the starting rotation, and Mike Stanton in RF and a young prospect competing for 2B. Could of happened but not when your always spending tomorrow on today, getting much less for it and paying millions more.
Not saying Francis that the right guy at the right time isn’t worth it but not for almost every single hole on the team cause it just keeps you dependent on the FA market for many more years.
Boston’s free agent strategy is to get guys who are playing for their next FA contract and they get really good years out of them, then let ‘em go and collect two more highly rated prospects. Bay, Beltre, Wagner, Cabrera, Renteria, Pedro, Lowe, Martinez all left behind a couple of high draft choices and that’s how they wound up with a deep farm system, pedroia, Youk, Ellsbury, Bard, Lowrie, Lester, Paplebon, Kalish, and Buckholtz with plenty more on the way. That’s also how they got A. Gon and Beckett.
Most of the guys we have signed or taken on for their last years leave behind nothing and we usually can’t wait to see them gone.
yes, alou, castillo, pedro, ollie were big busts, but beltran, santana, and k-rod were not. as with most teams, you win some, you lose some.
and regarding your red sox comment, they’ve got their share of aging dudes ( papi, lowell until last year, varitek ) too.
i gree that signing FA’s past 31 years old is generally a bad idea, but don’t knock signing guys in their 20′s to long term deals, just because the same team signed ollie and alou.
it’s not the same thing. it just isn’t.
heMets didn’t lose some, they lost a lot. Schoenweiss was a bust, Putz was a bust, and Wagner didn’t produce what he was paid for.
The jury is still out on K-rod. Besides, paying top dollar for saves is stupid. It is such a volitile stat and closers tend to have a short shelf life. That really is the kind of signing you make when you are a regular playoff contender that needs one last push. The Mets were not in situation. Omar just wanted headlines.
This is the thing Francis. In order to get Beltran or get Santana to agree to the trade we had to offer 7 years. 7 years to a pitcher is mighty risky. 7 years to Beltran I would have thought as safe as it gets, which just goes to show you how unsafe the 7 year deal is.
When you already have a team that is considered ready to win and an attractive place to play you don’t have to go 7 years to get the top talent. The top talent WANTS to go there. We are now back in the same position we were when we signed Beltran originally.
K-Rod cost 36-54 M plus a #1 draft choice which turned out to be Mike Trout who is rated either #1 or #2 prospect in all of the minors. Now really would you rather have Mike Trout from 2013-2019 + extensions for 15M or K-Rod for 4 years at 54M?
Regarding the aging Sox Papi was a non tender. He did not cost a draft pick and provided solid value for 1.4 M his first year and a TOTAL of 18M for his first FOUR years. That’s what Perez and Castillo cost us.
Lowell was a salary dump included in the Beckett/Muelens deal and helped win a championship in 2007.
Varitek was acquired with Derek Lowe for Healthcliff Slocumm and also did not cost a draft pick and helped win TWO World Series. Retaining your own older players who have produced great results is not really the same thing as retaining guys who you just hope are going to be OK or giving up draft choices for guys who are on or near the downside of their careers.
Regarding the win some lose some comment on expensive free agents, that is not acceptable. You are paying huge money and giving away payroll that could be better used elsewhere and draft choices which cost you down the road, win some lose some in entirely unacceptable in the FA arena. If you rely on the expensive free agent for 10 of your 25 roster spots and your attitude about the expensive free agent is win some lose some your never going to be more than .500 because you simply cannot overcome five huge under performing contracts.
In a strict money vs. production argument the following free agents/trade acquisitions have not produced up to the level neccesary to justify their deals AND cost us big time when they went down injured. Remember we lost a pennant/WC by 1 game and by 2 games in 2007 and 2008.
Pedro, El-Duque, Valentin, Alou, Putz, Perez, Castillo, Schneider, Wagner, Schowenweiss. Santana and Bay are still to be determined, Delgado was worth it offensively, I cannot fault the thinking behind Beltran and he did have 3 great seasons and is as solid a professional as you could ever hope to have on your team and K-Rod, even though he’s way overpaid for his contribution has been effective but the combined effect of most of theses players causing us to go with the cheapest bench possible and draft picks which seriously affect our ability to win later or risk making even worse FA decisions and the games they cost us by not being available due to age/injuries make them a net negative.
Win some lose some is OK with prospects because the cost is so low but performance certainity with expensive high end players is an absolute neccesity.
Kettle, please pick up the white courtesy phone, it’s the Pot calling!
Did you see Young’s defense at 3B in the playoffs? Particularly against the Yankees in game 1? This guy, at 34, moving to 2B?
exactly.
this is why daniels is trying to lose him.
I didn’t really see the Mets making a move on Michael Young anyways. I could understand their interest, if they even had any whatsoever because of the whole contract ordeal with Jose Reyes.
Bring it on Brandon!
Oh man, its on now Joe! LOL.
anybody making over 1 million dollars a year is not getting signed to this team this year.
can we have other discussions, please ?
or traded for.
if texas kicks in his entire salary and asks for nobody in return, there is a remote possibility that a trade like this could get done.
and even if that happened, young doesn’t want it, and the mets don’t want it.
Michael Young has a list of 8 teams he could be traded to. If he had 25 teams on the list the Mets still might not be on there. Mets should shed payroll get younger and spend money in two years. They are just so thin in pitching and taking such high risk guys. It’s tough to see this team going to playoffs. Even if they have a decent year they cant afford to bring the same team back again next year. So how can they improve building the team this way???