Regarding emphasis, I gave verbatim quotes. Most of the views were not mine, but rather what others said. They were offered to sample a variety of viewpoints within the hour or two I spent on the search. I had several more but chose not to post them because I felt they were inflammatory and not directly pertinent. Ike’s father, Ron, came in for his share of strong criticism to say the least, but the connection to Ike was tenuous so I didn’t send it along.

Ya, they all love each other and the only bad guy in that club house was the emrcanery Werth. Uh-huh. Isn’t everybody happy when they are winning?

Read my post above.

Yes they said similar things and your quote about the called third strikes was DEAD ON! They claimed he looked like he was trying to show up the Umps and a rookie will only get called out more when you do that I believe was the point they were trying to make. A rookie will never get away showing attitude like that to an umpire…

On that situation you were dead on!

As for the batting help. they were talking about more than just Ike, Bay was included in that conversation and you may have attributed some of what they said about Bay to Ike. Bay refused to take any help from Hernandez around the same time and the reason was because so many people were giving him advice that he would then try, it only messed up his approach at the plate even more. Even Wright made some comment about that recently.
Ike was resistant to change his style because thats what got him there. The issue was the Hitch we talked about endlessly here.

I don’t remember Keith saying he tried to help Ike, his mention of being stubborn was not related to something keith tried to do but instead seemed to be talking about something Hojo had said to him.

But I could be wrong. I don’t think attitude was the main discussion of the batting issue it wasn’t really the focus until the called third strikes were the problem. In that case the attitude was the topic, in the other it was merely his reluctance to get rid of his hitch. He was not comfortable with it.

Last year is Last year, Ike will have to work out his issues this year. He WILL have another slump because every player has at least one or two a season.
How long it lasts is the key to how successful his approach is.

With a new batting coach we will see how pliable Ike is this year.

I’m glad to hear he’s making imporvements like all ball players should. But I’m not ready to give up on my “old core” guys of Wright and Reyes. Put me square in the camp that this club should have already locked up the left side of its infield for years to come. And Ike can be a keystone on the other side!

I live out of town in the boonies, so I get a lot of my info on MMO and by Ronnie, Gary and Keith on MLB during the Mets games. In the summer of 2010, Keith raised the issue of Ike’s stubbornness after commenting on some of his work with Daniel Murphy at 1B. As I recall, Gary mostly was mum on the issue and Keith did not directly compare the defensive baseball talents of Murphy and Davis. It was about attitude.

Ronnie picked up on Keith’s on-air comments and during the following week, he and Keith went back and forth several times regarding the attitude and resistance to advice by Ike. Both were somewhat circumspect and kept going to the edge without going over it. As Mete employees, both Keith and Ronnie chose their words carefully. I think I mentioned it as an MMO post at that time.

Some MMO folks don’t think the dialog happened but we can’t go back to the tapes. So I did a quick search of some forums to determine if other fans remembered it. Here is a sampling of what’s out on the net. I have chosen not to identify the individual sites but a Google search and an hour or two will surface the evidence. (Sorry to all who get bored by long posts, but I don’t know how to make it shorter.) All of these are taken verbatim.

Rep Power
So apparently Keith Hernandez called Ike Davis a “know-it-all” during the game yesterday. Hernandez claimed that Ike does not take advice. Haha…

JERRY
What is the story with Ike Davis. He doesnt want to go to winter ball and during the season Keith Hernandez said he was hard to talk to and wants to do things his way at hitting. Is he a Prima Donna ? Maybe because his father was a major league player he feels he is elite.

Tolerance
Not that long ago, on-air, Keith Hernandez repeatedly called him stubborn for refusing to change his ways at the plate.
Here’s another issue that both Ron Darling and Keith Hernandez have repeatedly mentioned about his bad attitude when he strikes out looking. They say that attitude will quickly make umps dislike him and not give him close calls.

joedabum
Youth can be stubborn.
Hernandez mentioned on air that he has a lot of motion in his swing before the actual swing: taking the hands back, lifting up, etc.
Whatever. It’s his triggering mechanism.
And he’s going to stick to it until it really betrays him.
As was said by either Darling or Wayne H. on air, he got off to a great start, the league adjusted to him, and now it’s his turn to adjust to the adjustments.
Time will tell. So far, don’t think he’s made the adjustment.
Maybe he’ll ponder things over the winter.

JERRY
What is the story with Ike Davis. He doesnt want to go to winter ball and during the season Keith Hernandez said he was hard to talk to and wants to do things his way at hitting. Is he a Prima Donna? Maybe because his father was a major league player he feels he is elite.

Lucky
Hey Ike! Although your hand hitch doesn’t deter you from getting them up in time to trigger, your balance is significantly flawed as a result and draws your weight toward the proverbial bucket. Hence pitchers will consistently zone in on the outer half of the plate knowing you cannot cover it.
Keith Hernandez said it best. A pitch on the inside half is right down broadway to this kid. If Ike thinks his exploits earlier in the season will eventually return on a regular basis without change on his part,he is sadly mistaken. Major league pitchers learn and adjust. Successful major league hitters hold serve and counter. While it will be near impossible for Ike to ‘ditch the hitch’,he can change his stance and weight distribution,allowing him to escape the ‘bucket’ and cover the outer half of the plate. Of course doing so will inevitably result in pitchers busting him inside. That is when Ike must be quick and turn.

His only big mistake was taking too many called third strikes where he should be fouling off unhittable pitches that are close enough to call a strike and hope to force the pitcher into a mistake pitch.

other than that I can find no real problems with what Ike did last season.
When everyone around you is hitting mendoza your not going to get anything to hit and once they have two strikes, you can’t sit there and try to draw the walk. You have to get aggressive and foul off pitches. Otherwise some Stevie Wonder in Black suit will punch you out on a borderline pitch!

Just answer Joe D’s question, ok?